Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part 2

[1wildman]

But it wasn't the same juice. 4 of the same glassos, 4 of the same 2.2ohm heads, all juice was 60/40, 4mg nic, DIFFERENT flavors, all DIY, all made on the same date. The only thing different was the flavor of the juices and each one needed a different voltage to be it's best, IMO. I had expected them all to need the same voltage because of what they had in common, which was EVERYTHING, except flavor.

It was an experiment really and didn't turn out the way I had expected. Having them all on the same voltage setting, was NOT good. I tried it. For the juice to be it's best, it had to be set individually by flavor, not by ohms of the atty. Now do you see what I'm saying?

Think about it his way do all your recipies cook at the same temperature? Volts^2/ohms=watts. Watts is the work or how fast your coil heats up. The thickness of the juice and the flavors determine how many watts to get a good taste for you. If you cook tomato sauce at a low heat all the flavors don't develop and meld together if you cook it on the highest heat it becomes acidic because you burn all the natural sugars. So yes you would expect juices to make a difference.

The last piece of the equation is air flow. More heat (watts) needs more air to cool the vape. With clearos and cartos your air flow is also a limiting factor.

Keep experimenting.


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[FranC]

So many variables in vaping keeps it interesting.

 

[1wildman]

Right! Here's the thing...each one, although with the same ohms, had different volts, which means they each had different wattage too, right? Is that correct? They each had different wattage? If that's the case, then I don't understand why people say that VW is better than VV because you just set it once, at the watts you want and you get the same watts no matter what atty you put on it, no matter what juice is in it?

Since my 4 attys each had their own watt level that I liked, wouldn't I have to reset the watts when I change attys? Just like resetting the volts for each one?

I'm trying to make sense out of the statement that 'VW is better, with less fiddling'. (I've read this a few times on the forums) I just can't see it. With what I did last night, shows me that all juice is not going to taste their best at the same watts, any more than at the same volts.

Oh and all my juice is 60/40 w/4mg nic, I DIY.

To make it simple, I call BS! All juice will not be at it's best, at the same watt level. IMO. That's like saying "All Juice is Perfect at 8 Watts". Wrong. But that's what I've seen on the forums, they're saying the same watts for everything. How does that make sense?

I gotta go to bed, I'm beat. 'See' ya'll tomorrow, when maybe I can understand this.

Patches. Volts are a variable that describes energy flow from the battery. Ohms is resistance to electrical flow. The equation volts squared divided by ohms equals watts. Watts is a measure of work done. Raising volts at the same resistance increases the work (watts) at the coil. If a juice tastes good at 7watts I can set a VW device to 7w and it will automatically measure the ohms and set the correct volts to get my desired 7w. If I use a different topper with a different ohms it will detect that and change the volts to still get me 7w.

For VV you are sending a constant voltage through the device so the only way to adjust the final watts using the same coil is to increase your voltage. So I find I need 3.7v on a two ohm coil to make 7w. Then I change toppers and put one on that has 1.3 ohm coil and my juice tastes burnt because I am still using 3.7v but since my ohms changed I am making. 10.7 watts.

There are many ways to get to 7w but a VW device just lets you set it and it does all the math for you. The reason some people like vv better is that the can fine tune their flavor by .1 volts at a time and for watts you can adjust by .5 watts at a time. I find that the range of taste is not that narrow that I can discern a difference in .1v but I can at .5w.

Different paths to the same end.


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[Ken_A]

So not to go all off topic ( but this is the just sit around and bs thread, right?) I found another vaper who is into sub ohm and building his own coils and the whole 9 yards. Even Let me hit his mech and will come over and teach me how to build coils and every thing I have questions about! In a town of 1200 ppl!! And we have a great vape shop just 15 miles away (but they don't carry the stuff for rebuilds, wire and silicon wicks...yet). Have to admit I'm a little excited! Oh, and I'm into day 4 of no smoking! (took me two months to get here, and I had CRAVINGS today...but resisted!)

Welcome to the porch! Not too many sub-Ω people here, but if you are a cloud chaser, it looks like you have a good friend there!

 

[1wildman]

Raths these old farts on the porch are pretty diverse bunch of great people. Sub ohm is a fun trip but it's not a place you want to stay for long. I keep a sub ohm dripper for when I want to be a human fog machine but most of the time I am around 1.3 ohms. To me I prefer a nice mellow vape all day long instead of massive lung hits back to back to back.


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[Kim B.]

What fabulous vape stuff ya got goin' for today? Got some Kanthal #30 and some hollow core Ekowool in yesterday and I've got a little container full of PT coils to redo, so that's my big vape plans, lol. Think I'll mosey over to Joann's and pick up some P&C and try the Eko for the coil wrap and use the P&C for the top wick. (I'm a lazy rebuilder, I figure I can get a dry fire or two without having to change out that coil wick. )

 

[MikeE3]

What do I need to find out how low the battery is?

I think you would need a multi-meter for that, or one of those chargers that shows you a display. Someone told me in another thread that you can get a multimeter at walmart for like $15-$20.

Andria

Yup - an inexpensive DVM (Digital Multi-Metter) is the way to go. i suggest if/when you get one check the voltage of a batt fresh off the charger to make sure the meter is reading correctly. I got 'free' one once from Harbor Freight and it wasn't accurate. Ohms were all over the place and volts were slightly 'off' too when compared to readings from a meter I trusted. A fresh back should be just under 4.2volts.

I'd rather have a 'machine' to tell me when it's time to re-charge or throw it in the Zmax and see if it's getting low. As expensive as those batts are, I don't want to mess them up. I think it's safer than trusting my own judgement. My brain isn't overly trustworthy. I can rarely tell when the eGo's are getting close to charge time. Next thing I know, they're blinking.

You can also try paying attention to the juice level in your topper. For me when I go through about 1/2 tank of juice it's time to change the batt. But I usually notice a drop off in vape now that I've been using a mech for a few weeks.

You can get a multimeter to check your batteries at Harbor Freight for about $5-$7. It's not fancy but it does what ya need. But ya do need to take the battery out of your PV to test it.

Not really. You can just take the topper of the mech. Hold the + lead on the mech's pos post and the neg lead on the outside of the 510 connectors rim, press the power button and take a reading.

I'm trying to make sense out of the statement that 'VW is better, with less fiddling'. (I've read this a few times on the forums) I just can't see it. With what I did last night, shows me that all juice is not going to taste their best at the same watts, any more than at the same volts.

Maybe because I used VV for so long before VW came along - I never really took to VW even on my PV's that have it. I know the Ωs of my toppers (DIY or store bought) and what volts they like - so I just mess w/ the volts when changing toppers or re-making a coil.

 

[MikeE3]

So not to go all off topic ( but this is the just sit around and bs thread, right?) I found another vaper who is into sub ohm and building his own coils and the whole 9 yards. Even Let me hit his mech and will come over and teach me how to build coils and every thing I have questions about! In a town of 1200 ppl!! And we have a great vape shop just 15 miles away (but they don't carry the stuff for rebuilds, wire and silicon wicks...yet). Have to admit I'm a little excited! Oh, and I'm into day 4 of no smoking! (took me two months to get here, and I had CRAVINGS today...but resisted!)

Hi Raths - yep there's no particular topic here on the front porch - as long as it's vaping related. Now for 'real' BS come on over to our back porch and any topic is fair game.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/lounge/520776-older-folks-vaping-back-porch-part-2-a.html

 

[1wildman]

What fabulous vape stuff ya got goin' for today? Got some Kanthal #30 and some hollow core Ekowool in yesterday and I've got a little container full of PT coils to redo, so that's my big vape plans, lol. Think I'll mosey over to Joann's and pick up some P&C and try the Eko for the coil wrap and use the P&C for the top wick. (I'm a lazy rebuilder, I figure I can get a dry fire or two without having to change out that coil wick. )

waiting for AltSmoke to open...they got a big juice delivery yesterday and i saw it on facebook and they set aside a bottle of Cell Block 4 in 18mg for me. That stuff is soo good and it flies off the shelf everytime they get it in. Going to have a nice Vape today for lunch!

 

[Legolas]

waiting for AltSmoke to open...they got a big juice delivery yesterday and i saw it on facebook and they set aside a bottle of Cell Block 4 in 18mg for me. That stuff is soo good and it flies off the shelf everytime they get it in. Going to have a nice Vape today for lunch!

I've used AltSmoke they do a good job there.

 

[doghair]

What fabulous vape stuff ya got goin' for today?

I saw my mailman wearing a lumbar support belt, think it's my fault.

 

[doghair]

There shouldn't be any difference on the same topper at the same wattage so one of them is not right.


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I'm old school electronics so I agree. I have tested these ad nausea and either the smok kicks are all off by a significant margin or I'm insane. Film at 11:00

 

[1wildman]

I've used AltSmoke they do a good job there.

They have opened a lot of B&Ms recently. They have one opening in NYC soon. It will only be a matter of time before they get one near you too. Such a cool place to go hang out.

 

[Legolas]

They have opened a lot of B&Ms recently. They have one opening in NYC soon. It will only be a matter of time before they get one near you too. Such a cool place to go hang out.

Nice but NJ has a 75% tax bill on ecigs they are trying to pass. They have taxed me right out of this state. Ecig tax is the final straw. So hopefully AltSmoke opens one in Delaware. I'm moving there this year.

 

[AndriaD]

What fabulous vape stuff ya got goin' for today? Got some Kanthal #30 and some hollow core Ekowool in yesterday and I've got a little container full of PT coils to redo, so that's my big vape plans, lol. Think I'll mosey over to Joann's and pick up some P&C and try the Eko for the coil wrap and use the P&C for the top wick. (I'm a lazy rebuilder, I figure I can get a dry fire or two without having to change out that coil wick. )

Vapemail coming today!!! It's the VG blend, but at least it tastes right. And it's possible my aquavapor order will get here; usps says friday but it shows that it processed thru Atlanta yesterday afternoon so I dunno why it coukldn't go 25 miles in 20 hrs.

The tonic water/powerade cocktail did the trick, I managed to sleep without leg cramps. But today I have a bandaid on the middle finger of my right hand so it's making typing a real BEAST. grr

Might have to dispose of said bandaid, this is a real pain.

Andria

PS: and today is TWO WEEKS SMOKE-FREE!!

 

[DavidOck]

Right! Here's the thing...each one, although with the same ohms, had different volts, which means they each had different wattage too, right? Is that correct? They each had different wattage? If that's the case, then I don't understand why people say that VW is better than VV because you just set it once, at the watts you want and you get the same watts no matter what atty you put on it, no matter what juice is in it?

Since my 4 attys each had their own watt level that I liked, wouldn't I have to reset the watts when I change attys? Just like resetting the volts for each one?

I'm trying to make sense out of the statement that 'VW is better, with less fiddling'. (I've read this a few times on the forums) I just can't see it. With what I did last night, shows me that all juice is not going to taste their best at the same watts, any more than at the same volts.

Oh and all my juice is 60/40 w/4mg nic, I DIY.

To make it simple, I call BS! All juice will not be at it's best, at the same watt level. IMO. That's like saying "All Juice is Perfect at 8 Watts". Wrong. But that's what I've seen on the forums, they're saying the same watts for everything. How does that make sense?

I gotta go to bed, I'm beat. 'See' ya'll tomorrow, when maybe I can understand this.

Well, a lot's been said since this...

VW is "better" in a sense, and under certain conditions. Let's say you have your one favorite flavor. (Hey, bear with me here, folks. I don't, and you probably don't, either, but just pretend! ) And your PV is dialed in at X watts for a superb vape. And you have a hypertank full of it, all 5 ml. And the coil is badly gunked, you forgot to check it before filling. So you turn the tank upside down, take off the base and pop a new coil on. Turn it over to soak the wick, Put in on and vape.

OOPS! New coil is 1.8, old was 2.4. In VV mode, you've just gotten burned juice, maybe burned wick. Unless you remembered to turn down the volts first. VW mode, you get the same vape. No muss, no fuss. So in that limited case, "better."

I think we're all agreed that different flavors taste best at their own power settings. How one get's there, VV, VW, or building your coil to your personal spec, is a personal choice. (I'd rather not have to do that last, and try to remember which Ω for which flavor!) And it really doesn't matter if you get there by changing volts to change the watts, or change the watt setting directly.

At the same time, current state of the technology, slightly finer control can be had with VV. Most have 0.1 volt steps. Most VW is 0.5 watt steps. (I've seen some that are 1.0 steps, no thanks!) Some say they can taste a difference with a 0.1 step... me, not so much! But the capability to do so may be important, and I do appreciate options.

All flavors do NOT taste "best" at the same power level, no matter how you set it. You're not crazy, you're tasteful But if you know juice A is great at power X and juice B is great at power Y, with VW you can set the power for the juice and not have to even think about coil Ω. With VV, you either do the math to find what volts to set to get that power level, or start low and work up every time you change to a different coil with that flavor.

 

[gerrymi]

If you start cloud chasing and building sub-Ohm then you really need to understand how many amps your drawing and the amp limits of your battery. Its all pretty easy.

I got into a discussion in another thread with a fella' who said that 3.2Ω cartomizers would be "better" for my cartotanks than 1.8Ω cartomizers because they'd draw less amps from my MVP2.

But I got "lost". I know Ohm's Law (Volts, Ohms and Watts) but don't know where amps come in to the equation???

 

[AndriaD]

Hey, just gave the Hangsen's Virginia another tasting, and it's really not bad at all. Maybe just a touch pipe-tobacco-ish, but not so much that it's icky. This is really good news since the Hangsen Virginia at Caterpillar is very inexpensive!!!

But, this is 12mg (my head is starting to spin!) so I'll need to doctor it down just a little. STill, really EXCELLENT news!

Of the two other alternates, the one I got last, from primevaping, might also be tastable today; it also wasn't too bad straight from the mail. The first one I got, I think I should let it sit for another week before even a 2nd taste, it was so chemical tasting.

Andria

 

[DavidOck]

I got into a discussion in another thread with a fella' who said that 3.2Ω cartomizers would be "better" for my cartotanks than 1.8Ω cartomizers because they'd draw less amps from my MVP2.

But I got "lost". I know Ohm's Law (Volts, Ohms and Watts) but don't know where amps come in to the equation???

Watts = Volts times Amps. Switching that around, Watts divided by Volts = Amps. The question is how efficient is the battery at boosting the voltage to get the same watts... system losses may erode any potential savings from the higher resistance.

And they may vape differently, too, as the higher resistance coil can take a tad longer to heat.

Vape to your pleasure point, not what some techie (I do count myself as one, as a retired power plant electrician!) says is "better."

 

[AndriaD]

Hurray!! Both my expected orders are OUT FOR DELIVERY!! YIPPEE!!

VAPEMAIL COMING!!!


Andria