Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part 2

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MikeE3

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Thank you very much. Let you know. Your evaluation of the benefits makes it much lower on the priorities list (something like a bucket list but, much less important). :D

Sent while presently sitting on my .... watching mind numbing prattle on the TV. 257 Channels and nothing on.

Matt - i'd vouche for you too, if you decide to get verified.

And on the other side of being verified. Here's the recent benefit to me.

iSticks $24
DNA40s $36
Mini nautilus tanks $18
Apsire BVC Heads $1
nautilus BVC Heads $1.70
 

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Like Matt, getting verified is something I've toyed with for some time, tossing around the savings you cite, Mike, and the subsequent hole in my bank balance :laugh:

While I do have a Paypal account, I'm not "verified" there - no way are they getting my bank account number! While I'm clearly not any kind of Luddite, I try to keep my financial online info to a minimum. And do all sorts of things to my home machine after online banking. (Fully patched system and software, current AV, good firewall, delete browser cache after, and so on...)

With all the recent hacks into cloud based data, none of what I do is total protection, of course, but I try to operate on the idea of making it harder - and hope they go to softer targets!
 

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I have had several occasions to use the verified status, both within the classies and a few coops. The first six or nine months after I replaced smoking with vaping, I was, much of the time, on the hunt for whatever was the latest greatest thing. I happened to find a group of modders that were doing a group buy (COOP) to make a glass tank mod for an RSST. This was before that idea went public. That was the first COOP.

After spending some time talking to these folks on the forums, I realized that they were doing some really cutting edge stuff. My most recent COOP participations were the kit to build the Tibs2, and currently the kit to build GDeal's bottom feeding regulated mod. Every experience I have had, has been a good one.
There are some good deals to be had in the classies as well. You may or may not save a whole lot, but at least you are dealing honestly with another vaper who isn't in it for the profit.

As to paypal, I would drop them like a hot potato if I could find a suitable substitute. Just my opinion.
 

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OK people, Mike and I have had our isticks for 24 hours and so far we're hooked! I got the pink/red (looks pink to me) and Mike got the black. They're so cute! They fit easily in the hand with no sharp edges. Being flat on on side and rounded on the other it's easy to find the button and it's very easy to push. They run hot though so I'm vaping mine at 3-3.1v. I think the fruit juices don't like lots of heat. I'm using an Aspire bdc on mine which looks to be a bit big on the istick, but I really don't care. The nice thing is that it's small enough to carry in my pocket or purse, but it has an 18650 battery so it's lasts awhile when I'm out. We got them in a co-op so it's cheap enough for an out and about in case something happens. I'd rather take this little one instead of my pthingy. I'd rather have a rig where I can replace the battery, but for the price I figure it's got to last a year or more so I'm not worried. Hopefully the next istick will improve the voltage problem. Meanwhile, I'm a happy camper.

Yep - we like them - faults and all.

 

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I think the guy did say his name was Elton. He was helping three "kids" (20ish) when we went in. Slightly foggy in there, lol, but they were taken with a new flavor and nothing obnoxious (talking about the 'kids"). It was pretty cool and the polar opposite of my only previous trip to a vape shop. The place, and it's corny to say, had a good vibe about it.

He introduced himself and shook our hands. He whipped up the juice in, no kidding, less time than it takes me to top load VG in a syringe. :lol: It was embarrassing. Man I wish I had his setup for DIY. And the 0mg seems to be doing the trick. Phew! He seemed genuinely pleased when told him someone on ECF recommended I go to his shop.
I'm glad he was able to help you out! So, what was the juice emergency? Be sure to give us the background after you've had a chance to unwind.

Congratulations on moving up on the college pecking order! :toast: My father was a professor too. I know it ain't always easy. Definitely get together next time then. I hope that will be next April, if not sooner. Too tired to say more right now but thank you for the recommendation and direction. :wub:

Thanks! I never really thought about being an instructor before, but my Father-in-Law is a retired professor, my Mother-in-Law was a professor, my Brother-in-Law is a professor, and my wife has a Masters Degree in Education. So, I thought I'd give teaching part-time a try to see if I liked it. Well, I did, so now I want to do it full time. Now, as a full-time instructor with over 30 years experience in industry, I make about the same money as one of my students will make if they get an entry-level position :) But, if you don't need a huge amount of money, it's really a great career for an older person. It will definitely keep you occupied!
 

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What with the trouble in Hong Kong, I am getting hesitant to place orders with FT. Considering getting verified, if they have any RTA's that are competitive with FT prices. And I have a bunch of castoffs that someone might appreciate. Just unsure if they demand that anything bought or sold must be brand-name.
 

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Matt - i'd vouche for you too, if you decide to get verified.

And on the other side of being verified. Here's the recent benefit to me.

iSticks $24
DNA40s $36
Mini Nautilus Tanks $18
Apsire BVC Heads $1
Nautilus BVC Heads $1.70

Where u finding dem deelz?
 

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What with the trouble in Hong Kong, I am getting hesitant to place orders with FT. Considering getting verified, if they have any RTA's that are competitive with FT prices. And I have a bunch of castoffs that someone might appreciate. Just unsure if they demand that anything bought or sold must be brand-name.
Someone should correct me on this, but I think you're only allowed to list authentics on the ECF classifieds.
 

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What with the trouble in Hong Kong, I am getting hesitant to place orders with FT. Considering getting verified, if they have any RTA's that are competitive with FT prices. And I have a bunch of castoffs that someone might appreciate. Just unsure if they demand that anything bought or sold must be brand-name.

Someone should correct me on this, but I think you're only allowed to list authentics on the ECF classifieds.

Consider yourself corrected. There is no requirement for items to be authentic, whatever that might mean. Authentic is impossible to define. Brand-name also has no definition that could be applied. At any rate there are no such rules for items in the Forum classifieds or the Forum co-ops.
 
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Consider yourself corrected. There is no requirement for items to be authentic, whatever that might mean. Authentic is impossible to define. Brand-name also has no definition that could be applied. At any rate there are no such rules for items in the Forum classifieds or the Forum co-ops.

I stand corrected! I should have done this before posting, but I just reviewed the rules. Here's the relevant one:
Counterfeit products will not be allowed to be sold on ECF, no matter if the item is described as such or not (see definitions below). Items being sold should never be misrepresented, for example listing a counterfeit product as the authentic product. Members found knowingly misrepresenting a cloned device as authentic WILL lose their Verified Member status and may risk being banned from ECF. Ads found listing a counterfeit product will be closed and member advised of violation.
Unacceptable
Counterfeit - Counterfeits will basically be an exact replica or a very similar copy of the original and not so much tied to the shape as it is more the markings. The shape would come into play if there are unique characteristics of the device shape. This can include grooves, cutouts, coloring, or trademarks in specific locations.

Acceptable
Clone - Can be similar in size, shape(unless shape is unique) and even design but will not contain the same markings or colors. As long as the device can be distinguished as different from the original, not just by the word clone, it will be considered a clone. Just by declaring a device a clone in it's title or description will not necessarily make it a clone. The clone device should be absent of all characteristics contained in the original, to include grooves, cutouts, coloring, shape if unique, and/or trademarks.

**As long as the device can be distinguished as different from the original, not just by the word clone, it will be considered a clone.
So, counterfeits are not allowed, but clones are allowed, as long as they don't contain the same markings or colors. They have to be distinguishable from the original.
 

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Where u finding dem deelz?

I hang out in the co-op section of ECF - gotta be patient, can't want it in a hurry, gotta be ready when a co-op goes live, but I've gotten some good deals there.

What with the trouble in Hong Kong, I am getting hesitant to place orders with FT. Considering getting verified, if they have any RTA's that are competitive with FT prices. And I have a bunch of castoffs that someone might appreciate. Just unsure if they demand that anything bought or sold must be brand-name.

see below

Someone should correct me on this, but I think you're only allowed to list authentics on the ECF classifieds.

actually 'no counterfeits' is the rule for posting in the classifieds. If you get caught listing one at a minimum your 'ad' will be closed. I've seen it happen frequently. Also co-ops can not be run for counterfeits either.

Consider yourself corrected. There is no requirement for items to be authentic, whatever that might mean. Authentic is impossible to define. Brand-name also has no definition that could be applied. At any rate there are no such rules for items in the Forum classifieds or the Forum co-ops.

Yes there is 'big'. It's against rules to list a counterfeit (made identical to the original including the originals markings) in the classifieds. There is some wiggle room for a clone. See this post by J0ker.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/member-classifieds-swaps/366198-classifieds-blog-2.html#post11299950
 

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Here's some more general info about the co-ops and the classifieds. You already know that I choose not to participate in either of those venues of the Forum, although it is laziness alone that keeps me from listing some stuff in the classifieds. But I'm trying to present useful information, not a biased attitude, for those who are curious about the co-ops and the classifieds.

Co-ops:
The majority of co-op items come from China, and the actual order is not placed until the co-op is "full". The host of the co-op is responsible for negotiating the deal with the manufacturer, but does NOT reveal to the manufacturer that the items are being purchased for redistribution via a co-op.

The co-op host is not permitted to profit from hosting the co-op. The entire shipment is delivered to the host, and the host then repackages everything for shipment to the individual co-op participants. (It's a lot of work for someone to host a co-op, and when done correctly it's purely an act of love.)
Most co-ops run smoothly. However, the host is unable to do anything about it if there are delays from the manufacturer. Whether the delivery takes 7 days or 3 months (or more), your investment is tied up. Some co-ops do NOT run smoothly.

Generally, you must use a money order, or the method specified by the host, to pay the host for your merchandise. The host sets the rules, but you cannot use your credit card because the host is not an authorized recipient for credit card payments. Usually, you cannot use Paypal either, but sometimes you can.


Classifieds:
The classifieds are member-to-member sales of small numbers of items, usually just one or two. Most often, the items are used but it's also possible for them to be new.
Dealers of any kind are not permitted to run co-ops or to list items in the classifieds.
The classifieds are not separated by type of item. You just have to sift through and see if anybody is selling an item that you want.
You can also place a "wanted" ad for a specific item or items.
To indicate interest, you contact the seller by PM, by responding to the thread, or both.
 
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Here's some more general info about the co-ops and the classifieds. You already know that I choose not to participate in either of those venues of the Forum, although it is laziness alone that keeps me from listing some stuff in the classifieds. But I'm trying to present useful information, not a biased attitude, for those who are curious about the co-ops and the classifieds.

Co-ops:
The majority of co-op items come from China, and the actual order is not placed until the co-op is "full". The host of the co-op is responsible for negotiating the deal with the manufacturer, but does NOT reveal to the manufacturer that the items are being purchased for redistribution via a co-op.

The co-op host is not permitted to profit from hosting the co-op. The entire shipment is delivered to the host, and the host then repackages everything for shipment to the individual co-op participants. (It's a lot of work for someone to host a co-op, and when done correctly it's purely an act of love.)
Most co-ops run smoothly. However, the host is unable to do anything about it if there are delays from the manufacturer. Whether the delivery takes 7 days or 3 months (or more), your investment is tied up. Some co-ops do NOT run smoothly.

Generally, you must use a money order, or the method specified by the host, to pay the host for your merchandise. The host sets the rules, but you cannot use your credit card because the host is not an authorized recipient for credit card payments. Usually, you cannot use Paypal either, but sometimes you can.


Classifieds:
The classifieds are member-to-member sales of small numbers of items, usually just one or two. Most often, the items are used but it's also possible for them to be new.
Dealers of any kind are not permitted to run co-ops or to list items in the classifieds.
The classifieds are not separated by type of item. You just have to sift through and see if anybody is selling an item that you want.

And we should probably stop talking about this subject here in the general forum. We're not supposed to talk about them outside of 'that' forum.
 

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I hang out in the co-op section of ECF - gotta be patient, can't want it in a hurry, gotta be ready when a co-op goes live, but I've gotten some good deals there.



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actually 'no counterfeits' is the rule for posting in the classifieds. If you get caught listing one at a minimum your 'ad' will be closed. I've seen it happen frequently. Also co-ops can not be run for counterfeits either.



Yes there is 'big'. It's against rules to list a counterfeit (made identical to the original including the originals markings) in the classifieds. There is some wiggle room for a clone. See this post by J0ker.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/member-classifieds-swaps/366198-classifieds-blog-2.html#post11299950
Yes, it is intuitive to me that counterfeit is, by definition, illegal. I was referring to clones, not to counterfeit items.
I stand by my statement that there is no way to define "authentic" or "brand-name".
 

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Unfortunately for me, I think most of my equipment would be considered "counterfeit" instead of "clone." My 4nine clone has a Tarsius Customs logo on the button, as do both of my 2six clones, from different manufacturers. And, my Infinite KFL+V2 clone has the Svoe Mesto logo on it, and says "Designed in Russia, Made in Germany" on the bottom. I could probably resell my Big Buddhas, my drip tips, and my Kanger stuff, but that's it.
 

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Unfortunately for me, I think most of my equipment would be considered "counterfeit" instead of "clone." My 4nine clone has a Tarsius Customs logo on the button, as do both of my 2six clones, from different manufacturers. And, my Infinite KFL+V2 clone has the Svoe Mesto logo on it, and says "Designed in Russia, Made in Germany" on the bottom. I could probably resell my Big Buddhas, my drip tips, and my Kanger stuff, but that's it.

Most likely Papa - the market on Hammer clones, Nemisis clones, etc. in the classifieds dried right up when ECF made the new policy.

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And .... someone asked me about 'no talking about' co-ops outside the co-op forum. So I looked and looked and the only thing I could find was it's not permitted to post links to a co-op, it's ordering forms, descriptive co-op documents, etc. outside the co-op. I couldn't find anything specific to not mentioning co-ops in general. I've just been under the impression it's not proper to talk about co-ops outside their dedicated area.

So - let me add to something that was previously said and that is that PP is the most widely used payment method, with Popmoney, Dwolla, and other payment methods lagging far behind.
 

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So - let me add to something that was previously said and that is that PP is the most widely used payment method, with Popmoney, Dwolla, and other payment methods lagging far behind.
I stand corrected and am glad to hear that PP is now widely accepted. Back when I was perusing the co-ops, hosts tended to shy away from PP and asked for MO or Popmoney. PP recently became separate from Ebay, but for most of last year, PP and Ebay outright rejected anything that even sounded like it might be vape-related. I notice that Ebay has now relaxed a bit on that.
 
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