Older Folks and Vaping

[Ken_A]

I've just come up with a plan B, lol... my problem is being tied to one place to charge. So a portable USB charger that fits in my purse is a viable option. My question (and I can't figure out volts and watts, etc.) is: Is it safe to charge the Vision Spinners on a portable USB battery charger? Does it matter what volt watt output they have?

I don't know if a portable power pack will charge slower or not, but I've only used mine on passthroughs
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[Don Robertson]

Not a bad price with the free shipping.

Must ask, have you used a bottom switch PV? I have and it's not my 'cup o' vape'. I much prefer an upper semi-recessed button.

Some folk love the bottom switch (mech or magnetic). Many have had to mod the switch to ease the switch pressure without firing the PV when stood on end.

I currently use a SIGELEI #20 with a Sigelei Kick in the 18350 config. Nice lil' package for out n' about. The linked vendor also provides free shipping.

Let us know what ya get and good luck!

Features


Contains no wiring, soldering nor PCB<-------------- I presume the "KICK" adds additional "regulation"?? Without it does this not mean a short followed by an explosion? Sort of like connecting the battery directly to the coil and letting it rip and "believing" all will be OK?? I have never been able to understand a 'switch' on the bottom supporting all the weight; sooner or later it will lose tension and 'fire' on its own -- or so I suspect.

Senile "Doesn't savvy all the lingo" Old Man Don

 

[Myrany]

Don the Sig #20 is a mech. No Wiring no built in protection. Using a Kick in it gives it the regulation for sure. I am not super familiar with kicks but I would assume it also has sort of a fuse built in for safety on the kick but I do not know that for sure as I do not run Kicks in my mechs.

It is true that using un kicked/fused mechs like I do require more knowledge of ohms law and battery safety issues than running a regulated device. Even so it is not that complicated. I don't ever vape below 1 ohm and I match quality batterys that can handle the amps. Other than that I check my batterys with a multimeter frequently to be sure I do not over discharge them. For the most part shorts do NOT just happen on their own. With reasonable care and caution vaping a mech is safe.

I made the choice to use mechs and rebuildable toppers to protect my ability to vape should the FDA Deeming make the availability of gear a problem. For those of us in the boondocks all the FDA has to do is shut down internet sales to destroy our ability to vape. My nearest store with anything better than an 650 mah ego is 70 miles one way north. SO I learned to make my own juice, got comfy with mechs and rebuildables. This has given my vaping a sustainability no matter what the idiots at the FDA do.

EDIT: Realistically I got the Diver 2 for the same reason. I enjoy carto tanks. The Diver 2 gives me a rebuildable carto so I can continue to enjoy carto tanks even if I cannot buy traditional cartos.

If the crap from the FDA holds off long enough I probably will get a provari as they have a tradition of holding up in the long haul but my limited budget means it is more important to get long term sustainability going before what is for me effectively a convenience item. I like the option of VV. I like being able to vape should FDA fubar commence more so a long term VV option is on hold at the moment.

 

[MikeE3]

Here is how THIS nine-decades on earth old man finally quit!

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...moking-patch-drugs-success-i-gotta-share.html

And ............ it's ALL true!

Senile Old Man Don

Wow! Well said about Bloomberg - the #@$!%. And nice you're off the cigs. But what a path you took.

 

[MikeE3]

I'm giving thought once again to a mech .. someone has this on eBay

Brand New Sigelei Telescope Mechanical Mod Stainless Steel Zmax | eBay

the price looks good .. ??

I've got a couple Sigelei 19's w/ bottom button. They're not a bad mech mod for the price. I don't know anything about the one you linked to.

I like the bottom button - I don't have to worry about aligning the wick on RBA's with a side button. I've never had a concern or problem about 'em firing when standing up. The springs in the inexpensive mechs can be pretty strong. So strong, I acutally took the button spring out and torched it glowing red to take some of the temper out and make it less stiff.

 

[Uncle Willie]

I've got a couple Sigelei 19's w/ bottom button. They're not a bad mech mod for the price. I don't know anything about the one you linked to.

I like the bottom button - I don't have to worry about aligning the wick on RBA's with a side button. I've never had a concern or problem about 'em firing when standing up. The springs in the inexpensive mechs can be pretty strong. So strong, I acutally took the button spring out and torched it glowing red to take some of the temper out and make it less stiff.

I have a little misgiving on the bottom button, but from what I hear, you get used to it .. there is also this one I've looked at :

$33.52 Mixed Poldiac Style Mechanical Mod Kit at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

and if you look under the selection button, they have a different finish but similar unit for under $18 bucks ..


that has a side button .. but, I don't like to order from China and I'm still trying to decide if I want to spring for not only the mod, but batteries and a charger as well .. since I don't think my regular AA / AAA LaCross charger will work ... ???

 

[Iffy]

Don,

Da cheapest price I've found is HERE. I think I paid a couple o' bucks more early last year @ Fasttech). As far as capability/protection, here's a quote from another site:

"This is the Kick from Sigelei. Turn your Mech mod into a Variable Watt device with all the features of an electronic mod. This is set and forget but takes a little tuning to find your sweet spot. It is manually adjusted and once set you get all the benefits of running a variable wattage device.

Features:
- Adjustable from 5W-10W
- 3.1V Battery Cut-off
- Low Resistance down to 1.0 ohms
- Short Circuit Protection
- Reverse Polarity Protection"

 

[MikeE3]

I have a little misgiving on the bottom button, but from what I hear, you get used to it .. there is also this one I've looked at :

$33.52 Mixed Poldiac Style Mechanical Mod Kit at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

and if you look under the selection button, they have a different finish but similar unit for under $18 bucks ..


that has a side button .. but, I don't like to order from China and I'm still trying to decide if I want to spring for not only the mod, but batteries and a charger as well .. since I don't think my regular AA / AAA LaCross charger will work ... ???

I can't like that choice. It's one thing for China to copy the design of an original mod. It's quite another to counterfeit it, complete w/ the orignal makers logo's and serial numbers

I just read a post today about someone buying on eBay what he thought from the description and pictures to be a 'real' Poldiac and it turned out to be a Fasttech counterfeit one. Needless to say he wasn't happy about being scammed, yet alone the cheap quality of the counterfeit.

Here's the real deal at MM Vapors.

POLDIAC | Poldiac | mmvapors.com

 

[Uncle Willie]

I can't like that choice. It's one thing for China to copy the design of an original mod. It's quite another to counterfeit it, complete w/ the orignal makers logo's and serial numbers

Here's the real deal at MM Vapors.

POLDIAC | Poldiac | mmvapors.com

Yowza .. ! I knew it was some sort of knock off, but not to that extent .. crossed off the list ..

 

[Iffy]

... and if you look under the selection button, they have a different finish but similar unit for under $18 bucks ..

The options don't include all the tubes for diff batt sizes, nor a Kick (if ya want regulated watts). That's why I lean toward a telescopic.

...but, I don't like to order from China and I'm still trying to decide if I want to spring for not only the mod, but batteries and a charger as well .. since I don't think my regular AA / AAA LaCross charger will work ... ???

Most common PVs are manufactured in China! If ya know what ya want and can wait (Chinese New Year holidays Jan 25 - Feb 4), FT will $ave ya some coin. I've yet to be dis-satisfied with my orders from them (other than da wait).

Absolutely get the proper batts and charger!


ETA post-Mike's post: I also despise fraudulent advertisements! Nonetheless, I must say that some 'clones' are as operative and functional as their predecessors. As I stated, been happy with FT thus far.

 

[Uncle Willie]

Most common PVs are manufactured in China! If ya know what ya want and can wait (Chinese New Year holidays Jan 25 - Feb 4), FT will $ave ya some coin. I've yet to be dis-satisfied with my orders from them (other than da wait).

Yeah, and you can buy a Les Paul clone from China for under $300 clams as well .. while I know full well most PV's and accessories are made there, I'd still prefer to hand my money over to a place at least located in the USA .. being a small business owner myself tends to sway your way of thinking just a little .. this is why I don't like ordering from China ..

 

[Myrany]

Yeah, and you can buy a Les Paul clone from China for under $300 clams as well .. while I know full well most PV's and accessories are made there, I'd still prefer to hand my money over to a place at least located in the USA .. being a small business owner myself tends to sway your way of thinking just a little .. this is why I don't like ordering from China ..

I can respect that sentiment. When I can find what I need at a price I can afford in the US, I do buy here. Not going to get a REO from fasttech.

I have also bought a cheap fasttech clone to see if I like a particular technology. If I do like it I then hunt down an original. Example I picked up a kayfun lite clone from fasttech and I love it so now I am saving vape budget for the original. I just don't have the money to risk over 100 bucks on something I might not like. Sad but true.

I have no trouble at all using fasttech for things like NR-R-NR wires and empty bottles.

Everyone has to find their own line in the sand on the buying from China thing and the clone thing. It is a personal choice. I tend to respect other peoples choices and in general expect them to respect mine.

 

[MissMcVayp]

I bought a mod, but I am waiting on the ProVari. I can't learn just reading - I need to experience so I can get a feel for what the heck I'm reading, lol. So I got a very inexpensive mod VV that cost about the same as buying another Spinner would have. If I end up understanding them better in using one, then I will consider getting a provari once I know for sure I will consistently use it. I got a Swig VV mod for several reasons (besides it was inexpensive as a learning device). 1) it was very easy to change the volts and 2) you can also charge it with the batteries in it, just like it was a spinner. So I have some charging options. 3) If has a puff counter which I've always wondered if I'm vaping more than I used to smoke, lol. Only thing I didn't like was the battery is unprotected, but I figure I can buy a new one that is protected as long as it is the same size and mah. So don't yell at me too much, lol... I know there wasn't much about the swig on the forum (I searched it) so I am guessing not a lot of "experienced vapers" use one. But anyway, now I can play with what I'm reading about and hopefully it will all make more sense.

 

[Myrany]

I bought a mod, but I am waiting on the ProVari. I can't learn just reading - I need to experience so I can get a feel for what the heck I'm reading, lol. So I got a very inexpensive mod VV that cost about the same as buying another Spinner would have. If I end up understanding them better in using one, then I will consider getting a provari once I know for sure I will consistently use it. I got a Swig VV mod for several reasons (besides it was inexpensive as a learning device). 1) it was very easy to change the volts and 2) you can also charge it with the batteries in it, just like it was a spinner. So I have some charging options. 3) If has a puff counter which I've always wondered if I'm vaping more than I used to smoke, lol. Only thing I didn't like was the battery is unprotected, but I figure I can buy a new one that is protected as long as it is the same size and mah. So don't yell at me too much, lol... I know there wasn't much about the swig on the forum (I searched it) so I am guessing not a lot of "experienced vapers" use one. But anyway, now I can play with what I'm reading about and hopefully it will all make more sense.

Ok on the battery. In a regulated VV device you WANT unprotected batteries. The electronics of the regulation circuits in your device do the same thing as a protection circuit in the battery. If you put a protected battery in a regulated device the regulation circuits and the protection circuits sort of start fighting with each other. (This is very laymans terms here) It is not a good place to be.

Stick to a high quality unprotected battery such as the AW IMRs and you will be fine.

 

[MikeE3]

Ok on the battery. In a regulated VV device you WANT unprotected batteries. The electronics of the regulation circuits in your device do the same thing as a protection circuit in the battery. If you put a protected battery in a regulated device the regulation circuits and the protection circuits sort of start fighting with each other. (This is very laymans terms here) It is not a good place to be.

Stick to a high quality unprotected battery such as the AW IMRs and you will be fine.

Yepper! For sure - what Myrany said about protected and unprotected batts. Highly recommend the AW brand batts - you'll pay a little more but they perform better and will last longer than cheap batts. And def buy from a reputable source. Batts are counterfeited, you want to know your AW brand is an AW brand.

 

[Myrany]

To add to what I said. Quality batterys and a quality charger are a must for any big battery type mod. You pay a little more upfront but get it back in trouble free vaping over the long haul.

 

[MissMcVayp]

Ok on the battery. In a regulated VV device you WANT unprotected batteries. The electronics of the regulation circuits in your device do the same thing as a protection circuit in the battery. If you put a protected battery in a regulated device the regulation circuits and the protection circuits sort of start fighting with each other. (This is very laymans terms here) It is not a good place to be.

Stick to a high quality unprotected battery such as the AW IMRs and you will be fine.

Thank you, and thank you especially for the lay-man's terms (which I badly need.. took me hours to find out what a B&M store was, lol lol lol)

 

[MissMcVayp]

To add to what I said. Quality batterys and a quality charger are a must for any big battery type mod. You pay a little more upfront but get it back in trouble free vaping over the long haul.

The charger I have is a TrustFire , input 12v and output 4.2v and takes different length batteries and charges up to two at one time, so it seemed to be a good choice, and hopefully is "quality" but I am not familiar with which names in vape-land are quality ones or not, lol... the usb 510 thread size charger I have doesn't say what brand it is on it

 

[Myrany]

TrustFire is in my opinion a sort of meh charger. I have one it is now my backup charger. I use a Nitecore i4 charger which is sort of mid range. Pila and XTar are the 2 high end ones you hear about most here.

When I first moved into mods I got the Trustfire as part of my Vamo kit with 2 18650 EFest batterys. Those batteries took 6+ hours to charge on hte TrustFire. I got the NIteCore and my batteries charge in about 2 hours. Also the Nitecore is just more solid than the rather flimsy Trustfire.

I would say use the Turstfire until you can get a better charger but do not leave it unattended. I never really trusted mine as the wires tended to pull out of it if I looked at it funny. Do put a better charger high on your to buy list.

 

[MikeE3]

I don't recommend any charger or battery that has the name 'fire' in it. They are OK but just OK. There are much better available at reasonable costs like the the Xtar and Nitecore.