Ah yes, the joose bandits. The folks who buy ingredients in far greater quantities so at far lower cost than we as individuals doing personal DIY can. The 'bandits' I'm mostly referring to are those that don't have a lab, a store front, employees, insurance or the endless other extra expenses associated with a real business that might justify to some extent the ridiculous prices they want for joose that seldom fits our personal tastes as well as our own DIY does. Those who often just mix at home, on the kitchen table, out in the garage, in the family bath tub or where ever that you have no idea at all of what the quality of the ingredients are or how clean/safe they are. Unfortunately cost drives some premade users to buy joose from unknown/unproven sources that could be some of the worst sources. I started doing DIY when I started vaping, but I also bought premade from established sources with labs as I was learning how to get my DIY to the place I wanted it. I stopped buying premade when I figured out enough of my own nic free DIY recipes to have the variety I wanted for all of my vaping. I can't remember exactly when I last bought premade as part of my kit (maybe 4+/- years ago?). But I did do a half dozen of them from quite large samples (with nic in them) that were sent to me from South Africa to try out for my opinion/review of them about 2.5 years ago. Five of them were winners for me (an unbelievable percentage), but I did not acquire more of them. I was long out of the buying premade game and didn't want to use nic joose (although I'm 99% sure they would have custom mixed for me without the nic). They did not ship to the USA though. So any more would have had to come via the same resident there who bought/sent the samples to me for the review (who was happy to continue doing so). The joose easily earned my kudo's, was sold for very reasonable prices compared to most US vendors and he got my sincerest kudo's. But I've always paid my own way in life, and he wouldn't accept my money.