Pet Peeve

[TrollDragon]

Everyone comes in these days looking for mesh coils, we sell a ton of Prince and Vapresso GT mesh as they fit the Baby Beast. I've tried them and they are excellent, but I still wouldn't go back to blister pack coils.

 

[DaveP]

I’m retired so I’m always home. And I have enough supplies to make coils for at least a year, for the cost of oh, let’s say five boxes of drop ins. I’m still trying to get a building routine down, but I try to do all my RTAs on a certain day, fill two of them, and then I have a few fresh ones to use when those first two get funky. Maybe it’s just me, but I get 4 days or so before they’re not really good.

That’s kind of a pain, when I can get 2-3 weeks from a drop in. Even my most expensive ones, the GTs, are only $3 each. Seriously, I could use a box for $9 a month and save all the farting around of building.

If I’d started building before my husband died, I maybe would have enjoyed it. But without him, having to constantly fix something in my 130 year old house, I just don’t need anymore stuff to fix. Taking out tools of any sort equals a bad day for me. And I’m not bad at it, although I have a lot to learn, and I think it’s a good thing to know. But I’m can’t look down on anyone for not wanting to go this route.

At $3 for a coil that lasts weeks factory coils make sense. Back when I was buying eGo coils I was lucky to get a day or two out of them even with clear juices. That's what drove me to RTA's. Apparently, the drop-in coil industry has evolved. I still won't go back unless there's an atty that is far superior to the ones I use.

 

[vapdivrr]

Or like myself have never used a Prebuilt coil in the 7 years of vaping, so don't have much to give these days in terms of helping noobs.....I feel so outdated

So you're saying those of us who haven't used a pre-built in many years should just stay away from those kinds of questions?

That's mostly what I do, 'cause I don't have a dang clue why someone might not be getting good results from the latest octo-mesh CloudZ head.

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[mcclintock]

It's one thing for someone to mention the OP would be better off with a RTA, but yeah a lot of the time it seems like half the posts say that, including a few that say nothing else. The signal to noise ratio when answering questions can be really poor.

Also, I've never been able to get acceptible results from any RTA, so I can't recommend one! Unfortunately in drop in coil tanks, I can't recommend anything but a very few MTL types with high PG only, either. And most modern RDAs are ridiculous oversized chunks of metal too, but if you can find a decent one it's still the only way to go ...

 

[sdennislee]

I consider it a much bigger pet peeve when someone just joins to ask a question that if they took 1/4 of the time it took them to go through creating an account, logging in, writing their "question" and actually do a search, they would have about 2,000 posts/threads, web pages, blogs, etc. with the exact same question and answers.

I can understand a question that may have a very particular particularity about the device or whatever they are asking, and that's fine, but if we were to do a very serious clean-up of all the repetition, the number of threads would probably be reduced by 75% if not more.

Note that this isn't a rant about this site/forum, it's a question that is everywhere, groups, and any forums, it simply boggles me that so many simply cannot do a basic search for very common questions, like "the wrap of my battery is damaged, should I still use it" or "I want to vape to do cloudzzzz, can I use a 80A 17800mA FireBuurts battery that I bought from a truck in a parking lot on a 0.0003 ohm triple coil on a mech that he built using a flashlight body"... there's probably over a thousand threads and detailed pages out there, etc. about this. People simply don't bother. Even worse, some will start arguing about the proper replies that members will be kind enough to provide (such as, that such a battery being dangerous and they'll insist that it's fine because the truck seller told him so).

This seems to be the norm for any forum I read. I try to attribute it to new forum users not understanding the use of search engines. I try to give them the benefit of the doubt and help a new user so as not to sour them on the forum and turn them away. They might be a great addition as some point.

When it seems obvious they are just being lazy I like to do the search for them with Let Me Google That For you.

See here if you haven't used it before LMGTFY

 

[Rangertrix]

this is obviously just MY pet peeve but I’ve had it since I was a noobie looking for help...

It’s not helpful when someone esp a noobie comes here to ask for help with their coils/atty and everyone chimes in about building their own coils and how much better they are & how much money they’ll save etc etc etc...Then a long list of tweets about which RTA would be good for a beginner. Blah blah blah

So cool you build your own coils. Awesome. But not everyone wants to or can. Or are just starting out and are stressed enough.

So instead try helping with their questions. If they’re interested in building they’ll be reading about RBAs eventually unless they live under a rock and then they will be asking about building.

Rant over. Flame away.

BTW I LOVE building my own coils but I also LOVE my drop in coil tanks too.

It's even better when they start recommending mechs for their "ease of use" or 200+ watt devices and such.

I agree they need simple direct answers that don't over complicate things and scare them away.

 

[Janusz]

Or like myself have never used a Prebuilt coil in the 7 years of vaping, so don't have much to give these days in terms of helping noobs.....I feel so outdated

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The only prebuilt coils I used were those that comes with spare parts...I do not understand how people are not able to make their own coils but have no problems installing prebuilt ones.

For me... because of my poor vision it is much more challenging to install coil than to make a coil... particulary on RTAs with very small deck where you have to wrap coil legs around a screw head (Doggystyle,Dwarv)... sure I am not making any exotic coils but to make twisted wire with the help of drill you do not have any special skills... just look on any you tube video and in less than five minutes you can make enough twisted wire for a dozen or more coils... if 60 years old can do it you can also do it... Making coil with coil jig is easy and effortless ... in 15 minutes I can make a dozen coils...

Is it cheaper than drop in coils? Of course it is cheaper.... I was using Aspire Nautilus BVC coils ( $2 ) and Smok M2 Baby Beast coils ($3) and I liked them (BVC not M2).... but after 2-3 days flavor on them get muted and after a week they were unusable... at the rate of 2 per week I would spent $200 for the coils in a year... for 100 feet of Kanthal I paid $5 (shipping included)... I can make easily over 100 coils for just five bucks! Oh I forgot wicking material... but for $15 I have enough of it for many years.... I do not know how long coils I make last... after a week or two I change them... for different number of wraps, inner diameter or trying twisted wire etc.

It amaze me that so many vaping newbies are buying cheap vaping devices that have zero control of vape and spent "fortune" on drop in coils in a hope that this particular coil or mod will be better than previous without gurgling, spitback and burnt taste... and they will come to this forum asking for advice but expect that another device with just one button to push and with zero control will provide them better vape. I they really do not want to learn why asking people for advice for better vape... keep puffing that cigalike or other "blue" .... RTA tanks have the same problems like a drop in coil tanks but it is much easier to learn what makes good vape with RTA or RDA than with drop in coil tank.

I am also not buying that excuse I work 6 days a week and do not have time for making coil...it is the same excuse like those that on the way to work stop at Starbucks wait in line and pay $6 or more for something they could do it easily at home... some will have time to write 100 posts per week on this forum so they have no time to make single coil in a week

IMHO using RTA is not a rocket science and any adult can learn it in a few days...I bought my Siren after 4 weeks of vaping and had no problem making my first coil using just screwdriver... and I am not "handy Andy".

 

[Skunk!]

I don't know much about drop in coils anymore, so I kind of leave those questions for those who can give better answers.

 

[Skunk!]

It's even better when they start recommending mechs for their "ease of use" or 200+ watt devices and such.

I agree they need simple direct answers that don't over complicate things and scare them away.

Recommending mechanical mods to noobs is dangerous. I have seen a lot of people doing stupid low builds on mechs again. I love my mech mods but was kind of glad when they were going out of style.

 

[Rangertrix]

Recommending mechanical mods to noobs is dangerous. I have seen a lot of people doing stupid low builds on mechs again. I love my mech mods but was kind of glad when they were going out of style.

I was definitely being sarcastic.
Imagine that...........

 

[sdennislee]

I have seen a lot of people doing stupid low builds on mechs again.

If the resulting press were not so bad for our community and cause you could say it was Darwin pouring a little chlorine in the gene pool.

 

[Skunk!]

I was definitely being sarcastic.
Imagine that...........

I know, but i have seen people do just that.

 

[Rangertrix]

If the resulting press were not so bad for our community and cause you could say it was Darwin pouring a little chlorine in the gene pool.

I'm a firm believer in removing warning labels and letting Darwinism sort it all out for us.

I will help noobs who have the common sense to try and educate themselves before going off uninformed and doing something stupid.
However, I'm sure we've all encountered 'that' noob who just wants help to do something stupid against responsible advice.

 

[Rangertrix]

I know, but i have seen people do just that.

You know what, huh?
Are you calling me a sarcastic as$hat?!?

I can live with that.

 

[ilporcupine]

So, if someone wants an opinion on RTAs, and you have tried a lot of them, give your 2 or 3 favorites. If you haven't, hold back. If you don't want to be bothered, move along.
Don't say "RTAs suck, you need an RDA", cause that wasn't the question.
If they want drop-ins, and you know a lot of 'em, fire away. Some of you have used every tank known to man. That advice is useful.
There are SO many choices now, that just reading all the threads on each one is a full time job, they just wanna narrow the field a little, thats why they ask...reading too many threads can confuse, more than it helps.
As far as mech mods: OY...if you don't know an Ohm from a Pint, someone is gonna tell you it is a bad idea for you, and they are right to do so!
@Baditude and others who provide links to confused noobs, my hats off to you! It takes a lot of patience to deal with this over and over, I know
Sometimes, these folks have already purchased the thing, and the only responsible way you CAN deal with them, is to point them to the info they need, and hope they read and understand it before blowing their face off...
Telling them they need to Google it will get them the bad advice along with the good, and no one wants that, right?

 

[vapdivrr]

I'm not to sure if making coils is as easy as screwing in a coil, but I think it's just cool these days to just buy them. Most just see videos or go to shops and drop ins are just the majority, so most just follow, plus you simply don't need to know much. If I just started out today, I would probably be a smok guy too I suppose, but I started out rebuilding gennys and never felt the need to change my vaping style cause it simply has worked..my vape today (high end rtas) is pretty much the same vape I was doing 7 years ago

The only prebuilt coils I used were those that comes with spare parts...I do not understand how people are not able to make their own coils but have no problems installing prebuilt ones.

For me... because of my poor vision it is much more challenging to install coil than to make a coil... particulary on RTAs with very small deck where you have to wrap coil legs around a screw head (Doggystyle,Dwarv)... sure I am not making any exotic coils but to make twisted wire with the help of drill you do not have any special skills... just look on any you tube video and in less than five minutes you can make enough twisted wire for a dozen or more coils... if 60 years old can do it you can also do it... Making coil with coil jig is easy and effortless ... in 15 minutes I can make a dozen coils...

Is it cheaper than drop in coils? Of course it is cheaper.... I was using Aspire Nautilus BVC coils ( $2 ) and Smok M2 Baby Beast coils ($3) and I liked them (BVC not M2).... but after 2-3 days flavor on them get muted and after a week they were unusable... at the rate of 2 per week I would spent $200 for the coils in a year... for 100 feet of Kanthal I paid $5 (shipping included)... I can make easily over 100 coils for just five bucks! Oh I forgot wicking material... but for $15 I have enough of it for many years.... I do not know how long coils I make last... after a week or two I change them... for different number of wraps, inner diameter or trying twisted wire etc.

It amaze me that so many vaping newbies are buying cheap vaping devices that have zero control of vape and spent "fortune" on drop in coils in a hope that this particular coil or mod will be better than previous without gurgling, spitback and burnt taste... and they will come to this forum asking for advice but expect that another device with just one button to push and with zero control will provide them better vape. I they really do not want to learn why asking people for advice for better vape... keep puffing that cigalike or other "blue" .... RTA tanks have the same problems like a drop in coil tanks but it is much easier to learn what makes good vape with RTA or RDA than with drop in coil tank.

I am also not buying that excuse I work 6 days a week and do not have time for making coil...it is the same excuse like those that on the way to work stop at Starbucks wait in line and pay $6 or more for something they could do it easily at home... some will have time to write 100 posts per week on this forum so they have no time to make single coil in a week

IMHO using RTA is not a rocket science and any adult can learn it in a few days...I bought my Siren after 4 weeks of vaping and had no problem making my first coil using just screwdriver... and I am not "handy Andy".

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[Asbestos4004]

Just consider it evolution....

Not long ago, we just told everyone to get a ProVari...regardless of the question.

"I'm a noob and was just wondering if a vanilla juice would work with a 3 ohm boge carto?"

"Just get a ProVari ."

Life was so simple back then.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I like fiddling around with stuff. I make coils and DIY. My daughter is the exact opposite. She buys pre-made coil and commercial juice. She has eschewed my offers to build for her and make juice for her. Oddly we both have been "former smokers" for years.

Opposite for me; I abandoned factory coils long before I ever made any juice.

But as I keep saying here: People are different, as are their journeys down the rabbit hole, and some simply don't want to go very deep. That's OK. To each his (or her) own vape.

 

[Rossum]

Just consider it evolution....

Not long ago, we just told everyone to get a ProVari REO...regardless of the question.

"I'm a noob and was just wondering if a vanilla juice would work with a 3 ohm boge carto?"

"Just get a ProVari REO."

Life was so simple back then.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Fixed that for you.

Agreed! I don't know what I was thinking....