Petition to prevent FDA regulations
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Many of us here will wish they had joined CASAA
a long time ago and donated a few bucks every month.
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a long time ago and donated a few bucks every month.
CASAA home page ... Click Here
CASAA forum here on the ECF ... Click Here
not 1 but 2 signatures added to this petition. my wife and i both signed it. i havent been on ECF i whole lot recently but i never stopped vaping, i have been smoke free for 1 year 4 months and my wife has been smoke free for 1 year. these devices have worked very well for us. i am personally very sick and tired of seeing the government continuing to mess with us in more ways than one. point blank these things save lives. while i believe that they might have some minor effect on health it is simply NOT POSSIBLE that the risk is anything near putting a roll of paper with some "so called" tobacco in your mouth and lighting it on fire. its simple common sense that these are indeed harm reduction. my wife comes from a family that has has COPD history and her quitting is probably going to go a long way to preventing her from getting COPD, she quit traditional cigarettes at age 29. i think that is going to go a long way in helping her prevent certain COPD.
I think if every e-smoker in America was aware our gadgets were at risk of being taken away we would have reached our 25000 sigs. Almost the same thing, though as stated in other threads alot of our community are still in denial.
Human Nature
"Kick the Can down the road"
We'll deal with it later
Hopefully the problem will fix itself between now and then.
Sound familiar ??
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People, in general, are more receptive to information
given in a sound-byte or via a short video ...
Especially, if humor is a component.
Those who preach BP smoking cessation products
and not e-cigarettes should be used ...
Get an email from me with the link to this video
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given in a sound-byte or via a short video ...
Especially, if humor is a component.
Those who preach BP smoking cessation products
and not e-cigarettes should be used ...
Get an email from me with the link to this video
Click Here
Have you seen CASAA's CTA? CASAA: Call to Awareness: Sign Petition and Contact your Legislators!
I have watched those Chantix commercials.... Its takes them longer to list all of the side effects than it takes for them to advertise their product. Go Figure???People, in general, are more receptive to information
given in a sound-byte or via a short video ...
Especially, if humor is a component.
Those who preach BP smoking cessation products
and not e-cigarettes should be used ...
Get an email from me with the link to this video
Click Here
Just made some phone calls to more friends- even non-vapers.
I had to educated them of course- they had no idea.
Tomorrow after work is when I'll start contacting my legislators.
I had to educated them of course- they had no idea.
Tomorrow after work is when I'll start contacting my legislators.
I just emailed Senator Lautenberg and told my success story. I asked him to do his own research on e-cigs. I mentioned the FDA's alleged intent. I also reccommend he visit this forum and see thousands of success stories. I dont know if he reads these emails but ill hold out hope.
While I applaud your efforts...
Senator Lautenberg is a HUGE opponent of ours.
Always has been.
He is one of the leaders in the effort to take electronic cigarettes away from you.
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I have some ideas/ suggestions I wanted to run by everyone. I'm sorry this is so long.
Since the response to the last petition https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/safe-and-effective-ways-quit-smoking was so negative, and so far from actually addressing the point, perhaps if that director, Dr. Lawrence R. Deyton, were to receive some emails directly at his own business email lawrence.deyton@fda.hhs.gov he might get a better idea of just how vehemently we are opposed to the proposed regulation of e-cigarettes by the FDA.
If we could organize a well thought out (and civil) email campaign, that would keep his inbox overflowing for the next three months, it might make more of an impact on his mindset than any petition ever will. As it stands, the current petition will probably make no greater of an impression on this man than the last one did...and in his answer it didn't even sound like he'd read the first petition.
Since most people have cell phone plans with free long distance there is also the option of flooding his office phone/voicemail with our position on e-cigarettes being regulated by the FDA. His office phone number is 301-796-9217 and his Fax number is 240-276-3904
Everyone relies on their email and voicemail to get their jobs done nowadays, so at the very least we could give him a good strong taste of the irritation and agitation he is causing all of us, and do it in a constructive way that might actually lead to a change of heart/position.
I say we keep it up even if they do manage to get away with deeming e-cigarettes under their purview (despite it being an end run around federal judges and federal precedent), and if they pass unacceptable regulations we should each file a petition with the FDA trying to get the regulations overturned. There are instructions on the website on how to file a petition with the FDA and, at the very least, they would have to hire another person just to review all of those petitions. With a concentrated effort our community could bring the FDA to a grinding standstill until we get exactly what we want. Money might talk, but passive(/aggressive ) resistance can make a huge impact too...and it's entirely legal. If we could get thousands of people to participate it would slow them down...if we could get millions to do so, we could effectively make it impossible for them to do anything else until they rescind any unacceptable regulations they might impose.
We should all be contacting our congressmen/women and senators with our stories as well. The more they hear from their constituents, the more likely they are to actually give our position some consideration when deciding on these proposed regulations.
We should also start writing outraged opinion/editorial pieces and submitting them to our local/regional papers and any other media outlet we can think of who might publish them. We could make this the personal interest story of the decade, and if we can get the mass media on our side we will get all the congressional support we could ever hope for as well.
Politicians love personal interest, heart warming, I'm gonna fight for the every man, types of stories because those are the types of things that can get them re-elected...or lose them their next election if they don't get on board soon enough. Tell your representatives you will actively campaign against them as helping/supporting pro-cigarette legislation if they don't actively help to put a stop to this; because that is exactly how this 'regulation' could be made to sound to people...especially if we use their own tactics against them and sell/spin it right.
I really don't know if I should use any of the following information with any member of the FDA, but here's my
on some of the information that could be used to help fight the regulations legally:
I don't think the FDA will have a leg to stand on in regulating Personal vaporizer equipment, because the vast majority of newer PV's are not E-cigarettes...They don't look like a cigarette, smell like a cigarette, function like a cigarette, or contain any tobacco products, so let's stop playing into their hands and stop calling our personal vaporizers something they aren't. My personal vaporizer is entirely different from a cigarette; I cannot light it, I cannot burn the liquid and still use it, I cannot inhale the vapor the way I would inhale smoke from a cigarette, and the vapor itself doesn't reek, taste disgusting, or contain 4000+ chemicals when it is inhaled or exhaled. When people notice my PV and ask what it is my immediate response is that it is a personal vaporizer...the term e-cigarette has never even entered my mind.
Personal vaporizers are a great tool for many people who have never even smoked. There are a lot of people out there who just want to taste the flavor of a food/candy instead of actually eating the food/candy...for example, they are perfect for diabetics who have to restrict their carbs. Just look at the new 'it' story/thing from christmas 2012, the "Le Whaf". People were loving the "Le Whaf", which is basically just a big vaporizer, and I don't recall anyone screaming for FDA regulation of the "Le Whaf"...probably because no one called it a food '....' or an 'e-cigarette' bowl. 
It's stupid, but the word "e-cigarette" defines our vaping in a very negative context for a lot of people and it makes a huge difference in how we are perceived by the general public. Too many people are instantly jumping on the anti any type of 'cigarette' bandwagon, so we need to redefine our vaporizers for them so that they can get behind us instead of working against us. We need to remove the word "e-cigarette" from our public arguments and then trumpet the benefits of PV's and vaping so loudly that none of the ANTZ can hope to compete. I am not ashamed of vaping in any way. I'm loud, I'm proud, and I am actively working to get everyone I know just as excited about PV's and vaping as I am.
The lack of "tobacco products" aspect of the argument can even hold true, technically (and we all know how lawyers and judges love technicalities), if the liquid being used in a PV contains nicotine. Nicotine has been approved for use as an insecticide for over 60 years, and it has been heavily used in ORGANIC farming for a long time, so nicotine is in just about every plant. Some people say that argument is just quibbling over semantics, because the amount of nicotine in other plants is minute when compared to the amount in tobacco, but regardless of quantity it is still a fact that nicotine has never been found solely in tobacco plants. For anyone to accurately describe nicotine as a product they would have to call it a "nightshade product", especially if every manufacturer includes at least one drop of alternatively sourced nicotine in every batch of extracted nicotine.
Nicotine is inherently a part of many varieties of the 2800 distinct nightshade plants, including the potato, eggplant, tomato, cauliflower and tea plants...so if the FDA wants to regulate 'nicotine containing liquids' as "tobacco products" we can legitimately argue that they must do the same for potato soup, spaghetti sauce, and herbal teas. That may sound ridiculous, but so does saying a bottle of liquid is a 'tobacco product' when it doesn't actually contain any tobacco in any form. I will not let anyone continue to demonize my PV, liquids, and vaping by equating them with tobacco and smoking, because vaping is nothing like smoking in any way that counts.
Nicotine has been shown in clinical studies to have legitimate medicinal uses in treating diseases/conditions like ADHD, OCD, depression, Parkinsons disease, Alzheimers, and ulcerative colitis, just to name a few, and it is not included under the Controlled Substances Act. Nicotine has also never been scientifically proven to be any more carcinogenic than just about everything in our environment, including oxygen and water.
Additionally, even if my e-liquid contains nicotine, it still contains fewer known toxins than the FDA approved nicotrol inhaler because it doesn't contain pyridine. Pyridine is highly flammable (known to burst into flames at temperatures as low as 62.6 degrees F) and has an unpleasant fishy stench to it; it is used to make ethanol poisonous to consume and it is known to cause many unpleasant reactions, up to and including fatality...yes you'd have to consume 10X more pyridine than nicotine to be killed by it, but it's still known to be a toxic poison.
Our medium for vaping, Propylene Glycol (PG), has already been extensively tested (and used) for over fifty years, and the FDA is sufficiently satisfied with its safety to approve it's use in asthma inhalers and nebulizers. They literally already give heat vaporized PG to people with asthma, COPD, and emphysema several times a day for 15 to 30 minutes at a time. I know this because my niece is a severe asthmatic and one of my grandmothers close friends had emphysema, and I've helped them both set up their nebulizors on many occasions. Nebulizers, BTW, are big old boxes that make the largest PV seem small...they are usually bigger than 12x12 and produce a constant stream of heavy vapor for 1/2 an hour at a time.
If the FDA says vaporized PG is safe enough for people with serious lung diseases to inhale for hours every day, they can't turn around and say it's not safe for a healthy ex-smoker to inhale PG vapor instead of the 4000+ chemicals in cigarette smoke or even the pyridine that's in a nicotrol inhaler.
Oh, and one more idea (to help us stop this) that I can't emphasize enough, Facebook, Facebook, Facebook (and twitter too)...post rants about the FDA being pro-dangerous chemicals and pro-cigarettes while trying to stop people from using safer alternatives. Extoll the virtues of vaping while implying that it could entirely eliminate smoking in the United States and then ask your friends to repost the rants for you. Exaggerate/overstate a bit, but make it sound utterly logical too. That type of rant will appeal to most types of people, including conspiracy nuts, liberals, ANTZ, and tobacco prohibitionists. We need support for vaping to go viral if we want to stop them, and Facebook could actually make that happen.
Again, I'm sorry this was so long...I guess my nicotine level is getting low and I need to vape immediately so I can get my ADHD/OCD back under control.
(JSYK, I'm not making light of those problems, I have had (a mild form of) OCD my whole life and I get most of the symptoms of ADHD when I quit smoking so I'm poking fun at myself.)
Since the response to the last petition https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/safe-and-effective-ways-quit-smoking was so negative, and so far from actually addressing the point, perhaps if that director, Dr. Lawrence R. Deyton, were to receive some emails directly at his own business email lawrence.deyton@fda.hhs.gov he might get a better idea of just how vehemently we are opposed to the proposed regulation of e-cigarettes by the FDA.
If we could organize a well thought out (and civil) email campaign, that would keep his inbox overflowing for the next three months, it might make more of an impact on his mindset than any petition ever will. As it stands, the current petition will probably make no greater of an impression on this man than the last one did...and in his answer it didn't even sound like he'd read the first petition.
Since most people have cell phone plans with free long distance there is also the option of flooding his office phone/voicemail with our position on e-cigarettes being regulated by the FDA. His office phone number is 301-796-9217 and his Fax number is 240-276-3904
Everyone relies on their email and voicemail to get their jobs done nowadays, so at the very least we could give him a good strong taste of the irritation and agitation he is causing all of us, and do it in a constructive way that might actually lead to a change of heart/position.
I say we keep it up even if they do manage to get away with deeming e-cigarettes under their purview (despite it being an end run around federal judges and federal precedent), and if they pass unacceptable regulations we should each file a petition with the FDA trying to get the regulations overturned. There are instructions on the website on how to file a petition with the FDA and, at the very least, they would have to hire another person just to review all of those petitions.
With a concentrated effort our community could bring the FDA to a grinding standstill until we get exactly what we want. Money might talk, but passive(/aggressive ) resistance can make a huge impact too...and it's entirely legal. If we could get thousands of people to participate it would slow them down...if we could get millions to do so, we could effectively make it impossible for them to do anything else until they rescind any unacceptable regulations they might impose. We should all be contacting our congressmen/women and senators with our stories as well. The more they hear from their constituents, the more likely they are to actually give our position some consideration when deciding on these proposed regulations.
We should also start writing outraged opinion/editorial pieces and submitting them to our local/regional papers and any other media outlet we can think of who might publish them. We could make this the personal interest story of the decade, and if we can get the mass media on our side we will get all the congressional support we could ever hope for as well.
Politicians love personal interest, heart warming, I'm gonna fight for the every man, types of stories because those are the types of things that can get them re-elected...or lose them their next election if they don't get on board soon enough. Tell your representatives you will actively campaign against them as helping/supporting pro-cigarette legislation if they don't actively help to put a stop to this; because that is exactly how this 'regulation' could be made to sound to people...especially if we use their own tactics against them and sell/spin it right.
I really don't know if I should use any of the following information with any member of the FDA, but here's my
on some of the information that could be used to help fight the regulations legally: I don't think the FDA will have a leg to stand on in regulating Personal vaporizer equipment, because the vast majority of newer PV's are not E-cigarettes...They don't look like a cigarette, smell like a cigarette, function like a cigarette, or contain any tobacco products, so let's stop playing into their hands and stop calling our personal vaporizers something they aren't. My personal vaporizer is entirely different from a cigarette; I cannot light it, I cannot burn the liquid and still use it, I cannot inhale the vapor the way I would inhale smoke from a cigarette, and the vapor itself doesn't reek, taste disgusting, or contain 4000+ chemicals when it is inhaled or exhaled. When people notice my PV and ask what it is my immediate response is that it is a personal vaporizer...the term e-cigarette has never even entered my mind.
Personal vaporizers are a great tool for many people who have never even smoked. There are a lot of people out there who just want to taste the flavor of a food/candy instead of actually eating the food/candy...for example, they are perfect for diabetics who have to restrict their carbs. Just look at the new 'it' story/thing from christmas 2012, the "Le Whaf". People were loving the "Le Whaf", which is basically just a big vaporizer, and I don't recall anyone screaming for FDA regulation of the "Le Whaf"...probably because no one called it a food '....' or an 'e-cigarette' bowl.
It's stupid, but the word "e-cigarette" defines our vaping in a very negative context for a lot of people and it makes a huge difference in how we are perceived by the general public. Too many people are instantly jumping on the anti any type of 'cigarette' bandwagon, so we need to redefine our vaporizers for them so that they can get behind us instead of working against us. We need to remove the word "e-cigarette" from our public arguments and then trumpet the benefits of PV's and vaping so loudly that none of the ANTZ can hope to compete. I am not ashamed of vaping in any way. I'm loud, I'm proud, and I am actively working to get everyone I know just as excited about PV's and vaping as I am.
The lack of "tobacco products" aspect of the argument can even hold true, technically (and we all know how lawyers and judges love technicalities), if the liquid being used in a PV contains nicotine. Nicotine has been approved for use as an insecticide for over 60 years, and it has been heavily used in ORGANIC farming for a long time, so nicotine is in just about every plant. Some people say that argument is just quibbling over semantics, because the amount of nicotine in other plants is minute when compared to the amount in tobacco, but regardless of quantity it is still a fact that nicotine has never been found solely in tobacco plants. For anyone to accurately describe nicotine as a product they would have to call it a "nightshade product", especially if every manufacturer includes at least one drop of alternatively sourced nicotine in every batch of extracted nicotine.
Nicotine is inherently a part of many varieties of the 2800 distinct nightshade plants, including the potato, eggplant, tomato, cauliflower and tea plants...so if the FDA wants to regulate 'nicotine containing liquids' as "tobacco products" we can legitimately argue that they must do the same for potato soup, spaghetti sauce, and herbal teas. That may sound ridiculous, but so does saying a bottle of liquid is a 'tobacco product' when it doesn't actually contain any tobacco in any form. I will not let anyone continue to demonize my PV, liquids, and vaping by equating them with tobacco and smoking, because vaping is nothing like smoking in any way that counts.
Nicotine has been shown in clinical studies to have legitimate medicinal uses in treating diseases/conditions like ADHD, OCD, depression, Parkinsons disease, Alzheimers, and ulcerative colitis, just to name a few, and it is not included under the Controlled Substances Act. Nicotine has also never been scientifically proven to be any more carcinogenic than just about everything in our environment, including oxygen and water.
Additionally, even if my e-liquid contains nicotine, it still contains fewer known toxins than the FDA approved nicotrol inhaler because it doesn't contain pyridine. Pyridine is highly flammable (known to burst into flames at temperatures as low as 62.6 degrees F) and has an unpleasant fishy stench to it; it is used to make ethanol poisonous to consume and it is known to cause many unpleasant reactions, up to and including fatality...yes you'd have to consume 10X more pyridine than nicotine to be killed by it, but it's still known to be a toxic poison.
Our medium for vaping, Propylene Glycol (PG), has already been extensively tested (and used) for over fifty years, and the FDA is sufficiently satisfied with its safety to approve it's use in asthma inhalers and nebulizers. They literally already give heat vaporized PG to people with asthma, COPD, and emphysema several times a day for 15 to 30 minutes at a time. I know this because my niece is a severe asthmatic and one of my grandmothers close friends had emphysema, and I've helped them both set up their nebulizors on many occasions. Nebulizers, BTW, are big old boxes that make the largest PV seem small...they are usually bigger than 12x12 and produce a constant stream of heavy vapor for 1/2 an hour at a time.
If the FDA says vaporized PG is safe enough for people with serious lung diseases to inhale for hours every day, they can't turn around and say it's not safe for a healthy ex-smoker to inhale PG vapor instead of the 4000+ chemicals in cigarette smoke or even the pyridine that's in a nicotrol inhaler.
Oh, and one more idea (to help us stop this) that I can't emphasize enough, Facebook, Facebook, Facebook (and twitter too)...post rants about the FDA being pro-dangerous chemicals and pro-cigarettes while trying to stop people from using safer alternatives. Extoll the virtues of vaping while implying that it could entirely eliminate smoking in the United States and then ask your friends to repost the rants for you. Exaggerate/overstate a bit, but make it sound utterly logical too. That type of rant will appeal to most types of people, including conspiracy nuts, liberals, ANTZ, and tobacco prohibitionists. We need support for vaping to go viral if we want to stop them, and Facebook could actually make that happen.
Again, I'm sorry this was so long...I guess my nicotine level is getting low and I need to vape immediately so I can get my ADHD/OCD back under control.
(JSYK, I'm not making light of those problems, I have had (a mild form of) OCD my whole life and I get most of the symptoms of ADHD when I quit smoking so I'm poking fun at myself.)
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Thanks for the info. I will chalk that email up to a "practice session" with many more to go. Aparantly I was barking up the wrong tree haha. What makes me ill is that most of the represenatives that oppose e-cigs seem to have some indirect connection to BT or BP. I am happy that our Senators are hard at work. Their beds must be really firm considering how much money is under them.
SIGNATURES NEEDED BY FEBRUARY 13, - 8,009
TOTAL SIGNATURES ON THIS PETITION - 16,991
Nice!! Keep spreading the word
TOTAL SIGNATURES ON THIS PETITION - 16,991
Nice!! Keep spreading the word
I have some ideas/ suggestions I wanted to run by everyone. I'm sorry this is so long.
We should all be contacting our congressmen/women and senators with our stories as well. The more they hear from their constituents, the more likely they are to actually give our position some consideration when deciding on these proposed regulations.
Politicians love personal interest, heart warming, I'm gonna fight for the every man, types of stories because those are the types of things that can get them re-elected...or lose them their next election if they don't get on board soon enough. Tell your representatives you will actively campaign against them as helping/supporting pro-cigarette legislation if they don't actively help to put a stop to this; because that is exactly how this 'regulation' could be made to sound to people...especially if we use their own tactics against them and sell/spin it right.
Have you seen CASAA's Call to Awareness? CASAA: Call to Awareness: Sign Petition and Contact your Legislators!
It includes a link to look up the contact information for your elected legislators.
I wish more people would do this.
Watch for stories that have anything to do with smoking, and take advantage of that to write a Letter to Editor. General guidelines to get your letter published:
- In the first line of your letter, mention the story and include the date it was published.
- Get your letter submitted within a few days of the tie-in story's publication. After that it is "old news."
- Keep it short. Under 200 words works for most publications.
- Stay polite--no personal attacks or bad words.
- Check your spelling and grammar before sending.
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I just signed the Petition, and became the 17,000th person to do so in the two weeks since it was created.
Just 8,000 more signatures to go before Obama's White House likely forwards it to Lawrence Deyton at the FDA (just as occured a year or two ago when we did this before), who will likely once again make false and misleading claims about e-cigarettes.
Just 8,000 more signatures to go before Obama's White House likely forwards it to Lawrence Deyton at the FDA (just as occured a year or two ago when we did this before), who will likely once again make false and misleading claims about e-cigarettes.
The "Regulator in Chief's" White House and his FDA.
Regardless what side of the isle your on ... It is what it is.
I wasn't dancing in the street and chanting "Four More Years"
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