Possible incomming Flavor Ban

[GiddyLydia]

Stock 100mg nic/salts.

Do salts keep longer? I was told to use my 100mg 70pg/30vg (stored in freezer) after a year or so.

 

[440BB]

From what I've read, salts may have a longer shelf life. Regular nicotine concentrate, if kept in the freezer, should remain unchanged for a number of years, based on my experience as well as posted results here on ECF. If kept in a deep freeze, 0F or less, either nic should last for a decade or more.

 

[Fiestylillady]

Do salts keep longer? I was told to use my 100mg 70pg/30vg (stored in freezer) after a year or so.

That's going to be my next step. I hear salts vape smother too. I have a battery powered mixer otw too.

 

[Mowgli]

I don't remember seeing GG's video (re: flavor ban) posted here and I'm just now about to watch it. Here it is.

 

[Fidola13]

I have been doing the same for years..... and continue.

If you are concerned about a flavor ban, then learn DIY. It is simple, cost effective, and flavorings will ALWAYS be available. Just maybe not vape branded. I make homemade chocolates and truffles, I am aware of many flavoring suppliers that are not vape related.

If you feel the need to stock up, your budget will be best served by stocking up on Nic. Nic is the vulnerable bottleneck to vaping as we choose. Nic is the one place where they can easily regulate and restrict quantity and potency. Without Nic then flavorings and hardware are a moot point, and you can be sure the 3 letter agencies are well aware of that.

I’ve been DIYing for almost 3 months now. I love it! And I’ve got 3 liters of nic in my refrigerator and 2 more being shipped as we speak. I’m taking no chances.

 

[Mowgli]

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Federal Register :: Regulation of Flavors in Tobacco Products

Statement from FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, M.D., on efforts to reduce tobacco use, especially among youth, by exploring options to address the role of flavors ‒ including menthol ‒ in tobacco products

 

[Rossum]

Veteran vapers can find ways around customs to get unregistered devices (that's basically all I buy) and high mg/ml nic base. Doing so very publicly could get you arrested, importing high nic liquid is a felony (dangerous chemicals laws)

Silly question for you: What's the legal status of a private person's 's stash of high-mg base, assuming it was purchased before the TPD went into effect?

 

[Letitia]

I do not know salts shelf life whether room temp or frozen. I'll let you know in a few years.

 

[untar]

What's the legal status of a private person's 's stash of high-mg base, assuming it was purchased before the TPD went into effect?

If it's 48mg/ml or below then it's fine, even if you bought it yesterday the possession isn't illegal, selling is.
If it's above that it's a felony according to dangerous chemicals laws, unrelated to the TPD (though they lowered the threshold from 76mg/ml at the same time the TPD came into effect). Even the attempt to import that without a proper permit is a felony.

 

[Fiestylillady]

If it's 48mg/ml or below then it's fine, even if you bought it yesterday the possession isn't illegal, selling is.
If it's above that it's a felony according to dangerous chemicals laws, unrelated to the TPD (though they lowered the threshold from 76mg/ml at the same time the TPD came into effect). Even the attempt to import that without a proper permit is a felony.

This is in which country? Where did you get this information?

 

[Mowgli]

Silly question for you: What's the legal status of a private person's 's stash of high-mg base, assuming it was purchased before the TPD went into effect?

I don't have any nicotine stashed. For the record I don't even vape and I made up everything I ever posted on ECF just for attention.

"I didn't do it and nobody saw me" - Bart S

 

[untar]

This is in which country?

The country listed in my location info Germany.
So don't take your 100mg/ml nic base or your 50mg/ml Juul pods with you if you come visit us.

 

[Fidola13]

i don’t understand this worldwide prohibition against vaping when unbiased studies have shown it’s less harmful than smoking.

 

[Rossum]

If it's 48mg/ml or below then it's fine, even if you bought it yesterday the possession isn't illegal, selling is.
If it's above that it's a felony according to dangerous chemicals laws, unrelated to the TPD (though they lowered the threshold from 76mg/ml at the same time the TPD came into effect). Even the attempt to import that without a proper permit is a felony.

Just to be clear: You're saying it's now illegal to possess 72 mg base that was legally purchased several years ago?

 

[Rossum]

So don't take your 100mg/ml nic base or your 50mg/ml Juul pods with you if you come visit us.

I go every second year for a trade-show -- the biggest of its kind in the world. Last time (in 2016) I was actually considering taking some Juuls instead of some of my normal mods because they would be smaller and lighter, but then decided I didn't like the Juul that well and took regular mods instead:

 

[untar]

Just to be clear: You're saying it's now illegal to possess 72 mg base that was legally purchased several years ago?

Yes, there's no transition period from one law to the other. Everything above 48mg/ml is illegal to posses, import or bring into the area of application of the dangerous chemicals law by any means without a "poison permit" and the packaging specified in the law.

 

[untar]

then decided I didn't like the Juul that well and took regular mods instead

Good decision. If there was a control the Juul pods would have been grounds for suspicion and likely a laboratory test ordered (for which you will pay if the mg/ml is too high). Maybe you'd be lucky and they don't know about the standard nic concentration in juul pods and just overlook it as they also have other stuff to do

 

[Rossum]

Yes, there's no transition period from one law to the other. Everything above 48mg/ml is illegal to posses, import or bring into the area of application of the dangerous chemicals law by any means without a "poison permit" and the packaging specified in the law.

Wow, that's harsh. What are people who did stock up doing? Just ignoring it, or are they diluting their stashes down enough to be legal?

 

[untar]

It was already very hard to get higher than 48mg/ml nic base, most people have stocked up on that. For some amount of time it was prohibited in german forums to even talk about the existence of such base (I don't know the exact reason though, might be just owners being anxious) so the number of people who ordered such things is pretty low.

People with higher nic stash aren't very vocal about it, they don't expect some SWAT team storming into their house anytime soon.

 

[Rossum]

It was already very hard to get higher than 48mg/ml nic base, most people have stocked up on that. For some amount of time it was prohibited in german forums to even talk about the existence of such base (I don't know the exact reason though, might be just owners being anxious) so the number of people who ordered such things is pretty low.

Oh. For some reason I thought 72 was legal prior to the TPD implementation.