Post 8-8-16 Stock Up

[ENAUD]

First, I've known the neighbor for several years. I got him started on vaping and quitting smoking. He's been one of the biggest advocates for vaping ever since then, and so have all of his relatives. I have no reason to doubt what he tells me that takes place in employee meetings regarding the FDA garbage.

The owner of the shops he works at has been very good about keeping his employees informed of what HE finds out, as he gets the new info. It's NOT to scare them. Quite the contrary...IMO it's prudent of any shop owner to make sure his employees are knowledgeable about what's going on, what's expected of them as employees, new requirements, etc., now and in the future. Their understanding of those things can/will determine the success or failure of his business and thus their own employment status!

The owner said he has been assigned to a specific liason/rep for the FDA (kind of like a caseworker in other words). Each liason/rep has many shop owners "assigned" to them. It is that person he is to contact with any questions or concerns, and who in turn contacts him about the progress of any paperwork, eliquids, etc. that he's submitted during the approval process to meet FDA requirements. The employees were told that the FDA information he passed along to them...came from that liason/rep. Obviously, the info. on his vape membership idea & plans, the expectation that each employee is to card everyone, etc. came from him.

I know my neighbor didn't pass along the info. to scare me, but rather to keep me informed, since he knows I'm interested in it. I didn't post it here on the ECF to try to scare anyone either. In the future though, I'll just keep anything he tells me to myself. I have no problem doing that at all!

Sorry if you took the wrong impression from my post, but that kind of information is actually needed if it is true. The implications to home DIYers could be very grave, as an example, say I have a neighbor who gets a grudge on me, and he knows that I DIY my own juice. Said neighbor call in a tip and bingo, I get a visit from a field agent. See where I am going with this? So that being said, your post was the very first reference to this tip snitch information. Because it is new information, it is going to come under some questioning as to the source. No need to get upset about that, it's just the way it is.

 

[Semiretired]

I for one appreciate what information you find out and share.

Yep, me too...

 

[LoriP1702]

First, I've known the neighbor for several years. I got him started on vaping and quitting smoking. He's been one of the biggest advocates for vaping ever since then, and so have all of his relatives. I have no reason to doubt what he tells me that takes place in employee meetings regarding the FDA garbage.

The owner of the shops he works at has been very good about keeping his employees informed of what HE finds out, as he gets the new info. It's NOT to scare them. Quite the contrary...IMO it's prudent of any shop owner to make sure his employees are knowledgeable about what's going on, what's expected of them as employees, new requirements, etc., now and in the future. Their understanding of those things can/will determine the success or failure of his business and thus their own employment status!

The owner said he has been assigned to a specific liason/rep for the FDA (kind of like a caseworker in other words). Each liason/rep has many shop owners "assigned" to them. It is that person he is to contact with any questions or concerns, and who in turn contacts him about the progress of any paperwork, eliquids, etc. that he's submitted during the approval process to meet FDA requirements. The employees were told that the FDA information he passed along to them...came from that liason/rep. Obviously, the info. on his vape membership idea & plans, the expectation that each employee is to card everyone, etc. came from him.

I know my neighbor didn't pass along the info. to scare me, but rather to keep me informed, since he knows I'm interested in it. I didn't post it here on the ECF to try to scare anyone either. In the future though, I'll just keep anything he tells me to myself. I have no problem doing that at all!

I for one appreciate what information you find out and share.

Yep, me too...

...yep, me too.

 

[Mowgli]

Sorry if you took the wrong impression from my post, but that kind of information is actually needed if it is true. The implications to home DIYers could be very grave, as an example, say I have a neighbor who gets a grudge on me, and he knows that I DIY my own juice. Said neighbor call in a tip and bingo, I get a visit from a field agent. See where I am going with this? So that being said, your post was the very first reference to this tip snitch information. Because it is new information, it is going to come under some questioning as to the source. No need to get upset about that, it's just the way it is.

We're allowed to make our own DIY. Not allowed to make it for others.
They'd have to prove it before they get a warrant.

 

[Alien Traveler]

First, I've known the neighbor for several years. I got him started on vaping and quitting smoking. He's been one of the biggest advocates for vaping ever since then, and so have all of his relatives. I have no reason to doubt what he tells me that takes place in employee meetings regarding the FDA garbage.

The owner of the shops he works at has been very good about keeping his employees informed of what HE finds out, as he gets the new info. It's NOT to scare them. Quite the contrary...IMO it's prudent of any shop owner to make sure his employees are knowledgeable about what's going on, what's expected of them as employees, new requirements, etc., now and in the future. Their understanding of those things can/will determine the success or failure of his business and thus their own employment status!

The owner said he has been assigned to a specific liason/rep for the FDA (kind of like a caseworker in other words). Each liason/rep has many shop owners "assigned" to them. It is that person he is to contact with any questions or concerns, and who in turn contacts him about the progress of any paperwork, eliquids, etc. that he's submitted during the approval process to meet FDA requirements. The employees were told that the FDA information he passed along to them...came from that liason/rep. Obviously, the info. on his vape membership idea & plans, the expectation that each employee is to card everyone, etc. came from him.

I know my neighbor didn't pass along the info. to scare me, but rather to keep me informed, since he knows I'm interested in it. I didn't post it here on the ECF to try to scare anyone either. In the future though, I'll just keep anything he tells me to myself. I have no problem doing that at all!

I appreciate all the info you provided. We do need more info. But while underage agents are a known thing and no doubt they will be used (but I doubt they will report to FDA), such thing as "As of 1-1-2017 the FDA will give a reward of $10,000 to anyone who turns in someone who is making juice not in an approved facility" looks like red herring, sounds too North Korean to me.

 

[JCinFLA]

Sorry if you took the wrong impression from my post, but that kind of information is actually needed if it is true........So that being said, your post was the very first reference to this tip snitch information. Because it is new information, it is going to come under some questioning as to the source. No need to get upset about that, it's just the way it is.

I don't think I got the wrong impression from your post. I didn't take it as rude or accusatory. That's why I posted my response...to clarify why I believe it was reliable info., or I wouldn't have posted it here. And I wasn't upset about it. Takes a lot more than that to get me upset.

Like I said, I just know I'll keep more info. to myself. The paragraph below will be the last, to hopefully further explain about DIYers. Don't want to seen or known as a "pot stirrer".

I did ask the neighbor if it seemed to him that what the owner passed along about turning in people for the reward...included little DIYers like us. He said he got the impression it wouldn't include DIY for our personal use, but potentially DIYers who made and sold it to others. Again, that was what he got from the info.

 

[440BB]

I would want something done about bathtub juice makers, I would like to know what's in my product. IMO

Artisanal small liquid batches, hand mixed in porcelain and barrel aged.

 

[bnrkwest]

CBS


But it is now a tobacco product.

LOL a tobacco bubble bath !

 

[bnrkwest]

I don't think I got the wrong impression from your post. I didn't take it as rude or accusatory. That's why I posted my response...to clarify why I believe it was reliable info., or I wouldn't have posted it here. And I wasn't upset about it. Takes a lot more than that to get me upset.

Like I said, I just know I'll keep more info. to myself. The paragraph below will be the last, to hopefully further explain about DIYers. Don't want to seen or known as a "pot stirrer".

I did ask the neighbor if it seemed to him that what the owner passed along about turning in people for the reward...included little DIYers like us. He said he got the impression it wouldn't include DIY for our personal use, but potentially DIYers who made and sold it to others. Again, that was what he got from the info.

Thanks for sharing it actually keeps us all on our toes.

 

[bnrkwest]

I think as time goes on we will hear what is happening to shops as they get inspected and watched.

 

[bnrkwest]

I still feel like I am in bizarro world with FDA going after vape!

 

[ENAUD]

I don't think I got the wrong impression from your post. I didn't take it as rude or accusatory. That's why I posted my response...to clarify why I believe it was reliable info., or I wouldn't have posted it here. And I wasn't upset about it. Takes a lot more than that to get me upset.

Like I said, I just know I'll keep more info. to myself. The paragraph below will be the last, to hopefully further explain about DIYers. Don't want to seen or known as a "pot stirrer".

I did ask the neighbor if it seemed to him that what the owner passed along about turning in people for the reward...included little DIYers like us. He said he got the impression it wouldn't include DIY for our personal use, but potentially DIYers who made and sold it to others. Again, that was what he got from the info.

Thanks, I appreciate the info.

 

[dobroeutro]

I still feel like I am in bizarro world with FDA going after vape!

Fortunately, I got into vaping, building coils & DIY mixing early enough to get ready for what is likely to come. I'm pretty much set for the next 15+ years. I feel bad for those just starting & those yet to try vaping. Hopefully things will change for the better, but I have my doubts...

 

[leftyandsparky]

Update: 2L of nicotine are out for delivery, I will let you know if I have to sign for it. I do know that they insured it @ $100

Package was left on the front porch! Did not have to sign.

 

[sparkky1]

Got an interesting text from neighbor who works part-time at a local vape shop. In it were these tidbits from a meeting the owner had yesterday AM for all of his shops' employees:

No more custom juice in a variety of ratios, to cut down on # of different products they make. Will only be making 20PG/80VG, unless someone asks for the "COPD blend" (which is 50/50).

As of 1-1-2017 the FDA will give a reward of $10,000 to anyone who turns in someone who is making juice not in an approved facility. (I asked about home juice makers, and he said the owner said beware if you make and sell any of it to others...even friends).

Said a local "bathtub juice maker" has been fined heavily by the FDA for having non-child-resistant caps on bottles of his juice sold at a shop out of state.

Owner also said the FDA is trying to get a system worked out to hire a large number of people who either are underage, or "look to be underage"...to go into vape shops on a "sting" mission, to see if they all get carded before being able to buy anything, and denied if they are indeed underage! Said they wanted to somehow get local Health Depts. involved in it, too.

Their owner "thinks" he has found a way to get around having testers in his shops, by having people become verified "members" of a vaping club in order to use them. Paying their monthly membership dues would entitle them to both sample vape and/or buy things in his shops. If you're not a "member", you can't do either.

He didn't specify anything relating to the owner's website sales.

Just thought I'd pass those things along. Don't know if any other shops are planning similar things, but I guess we'll see as time goes by.

Said a local "bathtub juice maker" has been fined heavily by the FDA for having non-child-resistant caps on bottles of his juice sold at a shop out of state ?
That's mighty strange considering you have until Dec 31 to apply for a tobacco license and would have to have in order for the violation to be filed from a state inspector.
If any shop's are still "making their own juice in house" and have not filed the proper PMt's for "EACH" recipe in each nic mg they can and will be fined and confiscated, there hence, no one ( manufacture ) in their right mind would make bottled juice "in house B&M" and sell it at a B&M shop.
The "membership" is ( should be ) a workaround for the no free sampling but to tell a potential new costumer ( especially a smoker that's thinking of quieting ) "you have to be a member" before you buy "anything" is just a poor marketing strategy for an already struggling business.You look under 25 you get carded or card everyone, end of story ............
10,000 fine ? were not manufacturing controlled substances here, but making beer at "home" is legal, just not e juice ? wouldn't that need to become a law before you were fined for braking that law ?
Misinformation is the leading cause of panic and or death .................

 

[AzPlumber]

I certainly wouldn't buy that stuff, all that marshmallow flavoring is gonna gunk up your coil quickly.

 

[Jdurand]

Without a doubt, home brewers, without sale to others, will be legal. Getting the supplies to do so however, may be a different story. the FDA will shut down the supply if they wish to go after the home brewer.

JMHO

 

[Haktuspit]

Said a local "bathtub juice maker" has been fined heavily by the FDA for having non-child-resistant caps on bottles of his juice sold at a shop out of state ?
That's mighty strange considering you have until Dec 31 to apply for a tobacco license and would have to have in order for the violation to be filed from a state inspector.

Actually the caps were required on July 26th and have nothing to do with the FDA. It was from the Child Nicotine Poisoning Prevention Act of 2015. It did however have a dirty trick in it that said anything bottled before the 26th was fine and could be sold for months, then a couple days before they said "Never mind, all bottles sold from 26th on have to have child resistant caps."

 

[Semiretired]

Getting the supplies to do so however, may be a different story. the FDA will shut down the supply if they wish to go after the home brewer.

To late...

 

[Jdurand]

To late...

I got a delivery of nic just this morning. As long as you can get nic, you can DIY.

The day WILL come, but right now you can still prep and secure your vaping future.