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[Alexander Mundy]

As far as flavor, the more mass a coil has the warmer the vape at a set wattage. If you equate a warmer vape to having more flavor then I agree.

Flavor is a unique critter and I've never nailed down just why it can vary so much depending on a coils geometry. I made hundereds of variations of wire combinations and geometries in my MM quest before I settled on what I use and minor changes could tip the balance one way or the other. Different flavor components can be enhanced and others decreased based on geometry alone. One thing that I ran across was a paper on taste bud receptors that said taste buds respond differently to molecule size so it's possible that vapor particle size might play a role.

 

[classwife]

You deleted my offer to help Bad and my joke about Drip Tip airflow

May I re-offer my help to an old friend and make a joke only he will get?

of course

 

[Dieseler]

Sorry if of topic but personally for me not much to show as i just use the clr coils and not much to
show in that regards winding a kanthal coil and slipping cotton in it.
Its just what i do nowadays and has me still off the stinkies.

Regarding Scubabatdan
I fondly recall those days along with the tank he came up with that used stainless mesh wrapped with kanthal. Have not used mesh for several years but have a lifetime supply which is nice if need be.
All had fun experimenting in a thread and sharing idea's with some kind conversing back and forth
such as when someone was wrapping the mesh and it still would short give burnt taste ect ect.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Fun times, I also have a lifetime supply of mesh I got before it got expensive when the sellers realized how much people were making off a roll cutting it into pieces. Also have most of several grits of aluminium oxide blocks when we were making wicks out of them.

 

[Justadude]

Sorry if of topic but personally for me not much to show as i just use the clr coils and not much to
show in that regards winding a kanthal coil and slipping cotton in it.
Its just what i do nowadays and has me still off the stinkies.

And that's the most important thing dude

Flavor is a unique critter and I've never nailed down just why it can vary so much depending on a coils geometry. I made hundereds of variations of wire combinations and geometries in my MM quest before I settled on what I use and minor changes could tip the balance one way or the other. Different flavor components can be enhanced and others decreased based on geometry alone. One thing that I ran across was a paper on taste bud receptors that said taste buds respond differently to molecule size so it's possible that vapor particle size might play a role.

very interesting, any links you may have regarding that research?

 

[Alexander Mundy]

That was several years ago, but I'll see what I can find.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Anyone still playing with RENE 41?

 

[badinfluence357]

Your going to have to come to my house and wrap it for me B, I'm helpless. No but seriously I've got the clapton part, decoring part, stretching the wire and setting up the swivels down pack. Once I start wrapping I can't find the correct angle and tension to successfully wrap the entire leanth of the cores....I got lucky the other day and wrapped about an inch out of seven. That was after 2 hrs or more trying....

I feel that if you can master wrapping aliens & staple staggered coils everything else becomes a piece of cake. Those are the 2 coils I've been struggling to learn for about a month now.

 

[Boden]

Flavor is a unique critter and I've never nailed down just why it can vary so much depending on a coils geometry. I made hundereds of variations of wire combinations and geometries in my MM quest before I settled on what I use and minor changes could tip the balance one way or the other. Different flavor components can be enhanced and others decreased based on geometry alone. One thing that I ran across was a paper on taste bud receptors that said taste buds respond differently to molecule size so it's possible that vapor particle size might play a role.

That is a great point. PG/VG ratio would effect droplet size as well as temp and airspeed over the coil.

Vastly complex subject.

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

Anyone still playing with RENE 41?

Was it 21g the heaviest we got hold of?
I remember taming a few micro-coils out of it, i still have a few lengths hanging about but haven't tried it for a while now

 

[Boden]

Your going to have to come to my house and wrap it for me B, I'm helpless. No but seriously I've got the clapton part, decoring part, stretching the wire and setting up the swivels down pack. Once I start wrapping I can't find the correct angle and tension to successfully wrap the entire leanth of the cores....I got lucky the other day and wrapped about an inch out of seven. That was after 2 hrs or more trying....

I feel that if you can master wrapping aliens & staple staggered coils everything else becomes a piece of cake. Those are the 2 coils I've been struggling to learn for about a month now.

I found two things to be key. Doing small tests to make sure the decored Clapton wrap wire is the right ID and that it's not stretched too much. Too little stretch is better than too much.

I'd make a 4" piece of core and see if the wrap wire lays on. If not adjust.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Was it 21g the heaviest we got hold of?
I remember taming a few micro-coils out of it, i still have a few lengths hanging about but haven't tried it for a while now

Yep, between 20 and 21, 0.76mm welding rods. Still got some. Haven't messed with it in a while. It'll sure make you bleed. One of these days I'll make some ribbon out of it, but been busy as can be with work for over a year now.

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

Can some one point me in a direction?
I just found this thread or I'd have posted sooner.

I want to learn how to build exotic coils like these.
When I started vaping I went straight to RTAs. I knew ohms law from competitive audio stuff and working with metals came naturally as I am a black smith.

I need some literature on exotic coils. I'd rather it be picture and text based if possible.
I build for everyone I know and they always say "How'd you make those look so perfect?" and I always say something like "All I did was wrap a wire around a rod..."

I've been using LV clapton for months now and it's getting stale.

I'm sure we can help, let us know which wire you want to build first! let's take this one build at a time though! don't run off a list of builds or else it'll get confusing

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

Ok let me take a deep breath. Almost got lucky enough to alien about an inch of wire yesterday and that was it...yeah! Not happy at all but not giving up yet. @ the pros, is there a specific way to align the to staggered cores when building a staple staggered clapton? I tried to build one today an it was a disaster...I find that I can't hold the wire in one position. It feels as if I have to swing the wire back and forth to get it in the slots as opposed to just holding it at an angle. Also when I stagger the cores and cut into 2 pcs the slopes are at an angle not straight. Tips?

Sounds like your following the angle that the staggers are running at, i don't know if you saw the 5strand fused stagger i did but i pretty much ran the fuse wire at a 90 degree to the main wires that hold the staggers.
You can do the same when using twisted wire as the frames, you can either run with the angle of the twists or just cut straight across.

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

Sorry if of topic but personally for me not much to show as i just use the clr coils and not much to
show in that regards winding a kanthal coil and slipping cotton in it.
Its just what i do nowadays and has me still off the stinkies.

Regarding Scubabatdan
I fondly recall those days along with the tank he came up with that used stainless mesh wrapped with kanthal. Have not used mesh for several years but have a lifetime supply which is nice if need be.
All had fun experimenting in a thread and sharing idea's with some kind conversing back and forth
such as when someone was wrapping the mesh and it still would short give burnt taste ect ect.

When i was squonking i sometimes used mesh wicks, had to make sure to torch the mesh and cut out any loose strands of mesh, i quite enjoyed it and they seem to add different notes to the juice, tasted very clean but had to keep it wet, it don't taste all that great when it goes dry

I made a wire a while ago that was a braid surrounding a tube of mesh with a 22 or 24g main wire inside, that was also a tasty build and worked really well But this one i only used in a dripper. The wire itself was quite chunky.

 

[whiteowl84]

I've got 24/36 and 26/36 in parallel.
5 wraps of 24, 6 of 26, 3.5mm.
This is the first RTA I've ever had where I can do parallel clapton and fire it.









The ramp up is much faster than the fused 26 but the flavor and vapor seemed slightly stronger with the fused.
It's a fair trade because I don't need near as much wattage to get the same warm vape. I needed 100w for 3/4 second and about 80w after that and I still had to ride it.
Now it's 100w for 1/4 second and 75w after that.
Not a huge difference but it's enough to notice as far as run time goes.
If I had to do it over, I'd have used a 3mm rod. I think the increase in ID actually cost me some surface area...you live, you learn.

 

[Boden]

Playing with oversized Alien.

Think I'll call this a "Snake-spine"

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

I've got 24/36 and 26/36 in parallel.
5 wraps of 24, 6 of 26, 3.5mm.
This is the first RTA I've ever had where I can do parallel clapton and fire it.


The ramp up is much faster than the fused 26 but the flavor and vapor seemed slightly stronger with the fused.
It's a fair trade because I don't need near as much wattage to get the same warm vape. I needed 100w for 3/4 second and about 80w after that and I still had to ride it.
Now it's 100w for 1/4 second and 75w after that.
Not a huge difference but it's enough to notice as far as run time goes.
If I had to do it over, I'd have used a 3mm rod. I think the increase in ID actually cost me some surface area...you live, you learn.

Those are monster coils Which rta is that? it has huge post holes.

Playing with oversized Alien.

Think I'll call this a "Snake-spine"

So we're decoring snakes now, nice!

 

[Fozzy71]

Those are monster coils Which rta is that? it has huge post holes.
........

deck looks a bit like my billow v3 plus I just built for the first time yesterday

 

[Boden]

So we're decoring snakes now, nice!

Yes we are

At 60-80W nice warm vape without hovering through juice.

Too bad I only like plain old parallel builds