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Provari on an Oscope vs Vamo

Discussion in 'ProVari' started by GrimmTech, Feb 14, 2013.

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  1. junkman

    junkman Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 24, 2012
    Louisville
    No, you didn't. And I didn't say that your did. You did say something about keep hate to yourself, so I was explaining no hate involved.
     
  2. junkman

    junkman Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 24, 2012
    Louisville
    I agree that the VAMO is not in the same league as Provari regarding quality and service. A provari will long outlast a VAMO.
     
  3. xsphat

    xsphat Super Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 24, 2012
    Wisconsin
    LOL, nice. I'm kind of afraid to post here because it's really hard to translate my sarcasm to print without coming off sounding like a jerk.

    I don't like tube mods that much, but I like the Reos even less. I'll find out next week whether my ax date moved up with the most recent management restructuring. Scary times. I think the Provari makes sense for me because I like to have VV and regulated current, and I just don't trust Chinese mods or eGo-Cs for the long haul. It would probably be best to buy 2 mods - one with a chip and one mechanical.

    I saw that Provape-1 on the Provape site but I can't find a thing about it on the net. What's up with that? Is it just a 3.7v mod made of steel with a fancy button? If so, that price is fairly competitive, but it looks even more like a sex toy. The Provari looks more like a lightsaber, which isn't all that bad I guess.
     
  4. junkman

    junkman Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 24, 2012
    Louisville
    1) Vamo doesn't make the pbusardo "rattlesnake" sound that he has shown on some devices, ie. sizzle is constant to my ears. 2) There is no way 37 times a second can't hold a steady coil temp. 3) Never said you are making it up. Expectations play a large part in perception. Demonstrating that the voltage cycles does not in any way demonstrate that the heat of the coil is cycling. How many cycles per second do you think are necessary to achieve stable coil temps? 20? 50? 200? 800?

    I am in no way attacking Provari here. I am just saying that cycling of voltage is NOT a meaningful difference in how the devices vape or the juices taste. There may be other reasons for your experience.
     
  5. dam718

    dam718 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 30, 2012
    Hawaii
    I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but have you compared the "sizzle" you get from a Vamo, to the "sizzle" of a device that has a constant DC voltage? It's very apparent to me, especially when I do side by side comparisons between the sound of a Vamo compared to that of the ProVari.

    And I don't assume you are attacking the ProVari :) I don't really consider myself a fanboy of the ProVari, although I may come off as one. My opinions are based on real world experience having extensive side by side use of both devices using the same atomizers on both. And by same, I mean I unscrew it from the Vamo and immediately screw it down on the ProVari and vape it...

    What I have found is that with higher resistance cartomizers, the difference is subtle because you are running the Vamo at a higher voltage to get to your sweet spot. At higher voltages, the duty cycle is higher, which would minimize the rattlesnake sound... On my RBA's with low resistance coils around 1.5 ohms, I run them at 3.5 - 4 volts... And I definitely notice the rattlesnake sound with the duty cycle around 60%... It sounds like one of those sprinklers they use to water a golf course... I can hear it pulsing away...

    That leads me to believe, because I can hear the pulsing, that there is a brief moment between pulses where the coil is no longer producing enough heat to vaporize the liquid... So the sizzle goes away...

    It's with the low resistance atomizers where I notice a much more apparent difference in flavor as well. From my higher resistance cartomizers, that difference is much more subtle... Although I can still tell a difference...

    Just for clarification, I am not attacking the Vamo either... If I thought it sucked, I wouldn't own one! :) It's a great device, and I love it... I can't tell a lie though, I can definitely tell a differnence between the two...
     
  6. junkman

    junkman Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 24, 2012
    Louisville
    I hear the same whether on my vamo or on my mech mod.

    edit: But I am using them with the AGA-t so perhaps it would be there if I were using a device with a different coil/wick combo?
     
  7. dam718

    dam718 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 30, 2012
    Hawaii
    It's possible... For me, I notice a huge sound difference using dripping atomizers... With a 2 Ohm 510 bridgeless atomizer, where the coil is dang near in your mouth, I can hear it getting hammered by the Vamo PWM, where on the ProVari it's a nice smooth hiss.
     
  8. junkman

    junkman Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 24, 2012
    Louisville
    I just pulled the cap on the AGA-t and switched back and forth between my lagacy mech mod and the VAMO. I could clearly see and hear the wick/coil/juice. Absolutely no difference, steady hiss, steady vapor on both devices.
     
  9. dam718

    dam718 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 30, 2012
    Hawaii
    Hey, that's pretty awesome then if you ask me :) I don't have that same experience with my Vamo... Those Chinese aren't exactly known for manufacturing consistency though... Unless you work for Foxconn, and then you get beaten with sticks! My iPhone / iPad are great! LoL!
     
  10. junkman

    junkman Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 24, 2012
    Louisville
    Yeah, I think it is sufficient, at least with the Aga-t.

    I would also note that I could go to an audiophile forum and there would be people claiming that they can tell the difference in the music based on what speaker wires they are using.

    Could they in a good double blind test? Not likely.
     
  11. DaveP

    DaveP PV Master & Musician ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    May 22, 2010
    Central GA
    800 hertz would produce a much closer average than 37hz any day. I'm surprised that the Chinese didn't approximate the Provari electronics in their design. You have to know that they reverse engineered the electronics and saw the difference.

    Most anyone can see the difference at 60hz between a bulb with a coil and a fluorescent tube, especially if the fluorescent tube is on the way toward end of life. A filament takes time to heat and cool. Gas is much more responsive.

    Audio sampling rates in the 48khz range are fine, but much more pleasing the higher you go toward 192khz, but the on off principle applies to out ears, also.

    The difference between 800hz and 37hz is enough to sense the difference, but not so that the average vaper would know what is going on. This may explain the reason that people say they vape 2 ohm coils at 4.8v and I only vape 2 ohm coils around 3.5v on my Provari. Go figure.
     
  12. bsidb

    bsidb Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 10, 2012
    Leroy,NY
    I just did the switch, Vamo to Pro-vari, much more of a full feeling vapor, not sure about the conversion of watts to volts but i went from 8.5 on the Vamo to 3.6 on the Pro-vari and its a bit high. Iv never really heard the "rattlesnake" on the Vamo, mostly use Vivi Nova's, and mostly use the Vamo for convenience of ohm/battery check but noticed the "bonus" every time I switched back to the Pro-vari
     
  13. junkman

    junkman Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 24, 2012
    Louisville
    I would say you eyes and ears are much more sensitive than a heated coil of wire.

    And you agree the filament, which is much finer than our coils takes time to heat and cool which is exactly my point. 37 cycles per second is sufficient to maintain a constant coil temp,
     
  14. CountSmackula

    CountSmackula Genisis Junkie Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 16, 2012
    Tabasco LAnd
    I have both, ProVari & Vamo, and only use gennys... and I have never heard the 'rattlesnake' out of a singe RBA no matter what the ohms of the coil. :confused: Which would I rely on? The ProVari of course. There's no comparison in build quality, but that shows in the price ~$150 vs <$40 (options & batts excluded).

    At the same time, I don't sneer at the Vamo, it gets daily use... as does my MVP. I also have a Sig Zmax & a CVI on the way (co-ops), I expect them to perform reasonably well too. Will they be better than the 'Vari? Doubtful. Will they do the job reasonably well? Most likely.

    I have an EA, and am in a co-op for a "Chi-Chi". I can't wait to see if there's a significant difference in the vape between a ~$130 mechanical & a <$30 one.

    About the only mod I hate on is my TOX. POOR voltage regulation across the scale, still... w/ a 1.5-1.7Ω coil it gets the job done - albeit barely.
     
  15. GrimmTech

    GrimmTech Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 18, 2012
    West Virginia
    You know your stuff :D I believe its a late 50s model lol. Both my scopes are old Tektronix. I cant see needing a new digital when these simply work. I learned on them too. Keep them callibrated and they are like tanks.
     
  16. tnt56

    tnt56 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Both my vamo's had the rattlesnake sound. But then I use only carto/tanks with vivi nova's as seconds. This thread has just gotten into a disagreement IMHO. I do hope every one here finds what they need to stop using cigarette's. best luck to all I'm done.
     
  17. jimmyh

    jimmyh Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 17, 2012
    Niagara Falls NY
    I would think that having only 37, on the off part the juice would cool the coil down if only minutely. It would have to.
     
  18. PLANofMAN

    PLANofMAN Signature Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 9, 2012
    Woodburn, OR
    http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provape/131033-provape-1-electronic-cigarette.html
    It's a 3.7v mod with no voltage regulation. Basically an almost indestructible eGo with replaceable batteries, for the price of 5 to 10 eGo's.

    EDIT: It does come with all of the standard safety features.
     
  19. dam718

    dam718 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 30, 2012
    Hawaii
    I am baffled by how folks can't hear the rattlesnake sound of the Vamo...

    It's nothing like an audiophile claiming to hear the difference from one speaker wire to another, or folks claiming the fidelity of a record is better than a CD...

    It's just in your face obvious, to me...
     
  20. jimmyh

    jimmyh Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 17, 2012
    Niagara Falls NY
    I don't know about the sound, all I can tell you ProVari + any delivery = better flavor to me, my opinion.
     
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