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A 1.5 ohm dual coil is actually two 3.0 ohm coils in a clearomizer or cartomizer. The battery or the ohm meter doesn't differentiate the resistance as two coils, but only reads 1.5 ohms as if it is a single coil, and the battery supplies current to both coils equally.

This may not always be true either. A 4.545 Ohm coil and a 2.220 Ohm coil in parallel would also yield ~1.5 Ohm total resistance. Both coils would receive the same voltage but the current would not be the same through each coil.
 

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This may not always be true either. A 4.545 Ohm coil and a 2.220 Ohm coil in parallel would also yield ~1.5 Ohm total resistance. Both coils would receive the same voltage but the current would not be the same through each coil.

Come give me some rebuild advice on my RBA thread!!!! :) It's also in the Provari forum:).
 

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This may not always be true either. A 4.545 Ohm coil and a 2.220 Ohm coil in parallel would also yield ~1.5 Ohm total resistance. Both coils would receive the same voltage but the current would not be the same through each coil.
we need to use equal coils or they do not vaporize correctly so yea the basic explanation of two 1/2's equal a whole is generally accepted.

Hate to bump this but here's a link to my explanation of Ohms Law and how it relates to dual coils!

Dual Coils Explained
while its nice, it's just way too much theory for what people need to do here lol.
for what we do the two coils have to be as close to identical as possible.
 

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while its nice, it's just way too much theory for what people need to do here lol.
for what we do the two coils have to be as close to identical as possible.

Some people like to know just enough, others like to know what's really going on. That thread is for the people who like to know what's really going on. Also, I'm familiar with the fact that the two coils are made to be as close to identical as possible (I pointed this out in my thread and even alluded to the theoretical nature of coils that are not close the same resistance).
 

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Some people like to know just enough, others like to know what's really going on. That thread is for the people who like to know what's really going on. Also, I'm familiar with the fact that the two coils are made to be as close to identical as possible (I pointed this out in my thread and even alluded to the theoretical nature of coils that are not close the same resistance).

Well said my friend. Different layers to satisfy all. Good job and keep doing what you are doing.
 

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Sorry if anything i say here is a repeat of what others say - I read the first 3 or 4 pages, but didnt want to trawl through another 15 or so pages :)

Anyway, i have an evic which has VV & VW and i never bother with the VW. I still use the evic and it does a job but it isnt up to the standard of vape i get from the provari. I know the evic automatically adjusts the wattage when you adjust the voltage so its kind of a moot point whether you choose to adjust wattage or voltage on them anyway.

The point is when people decide to buy an APV for most they will get something cheaper than a provari first (as the OP did). By the time they come to spend £/$200 on a provari they pretty much know which voltage setting they want depending on the resistance of the coil and the tank / clearo / whatever they have on it so adjustments to voltage tend to be small and quick.

I think people are defending the fact that the provari does not have VW because it is 99% useless to them, it's almost a gimmick to anyone but a new vaper or someone brand new to APVs, who has no knowledge at all of resistances / wattage / voltage. It is however, as has been referred to several times just another potential thing that can break down.

I bought my evic in a sale for 3 times less than the provari and it has tons more features and it even has more compatability as it is also ego threaded, but i use it much less since i bought my provari. It's debatable whether the provari is worth 3 times more, but if provape said there is a free updgrade which will equip your provari with VW and a puff counter and all you need to do is take it / send it to your local shop and it will be done in 10mins i wouldnt bother as both are of no use to me.

Personally, I wouldnt call the UI crude - I actually prefer it to the evic - the only thing i prefer on the evic is the battery life display, but then the provari tells you when the battery is low anyway so it doesnt really matter.

That's just my personal view - everyone has different things they want from an APV - durability, reliability and consistency of vape are the things i value most, although the warranty is a nice bonus :)
 
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I think people are defending the fact that the provari does not have VW because it is 99% useless to them, it's almost a gimmick to anyone but a new vaper or someone brand new to APVs, who has no knowledge at all of resistances / wattage / voltage. It is however, as has been referred to several times just another potential thing that can break down.

I bought my evic in a sale for 3 times less than the provari and it has tons more features and it even has more compatability as it is also ego threaded, but i use it much less since i bought my provari. It's debatable whether the provari is worth 3 times more, but if provape said there is a free updgrade which will equip your provari with VW and a puff counter and all you need to do is take it / send it to your local shop and it will be done in 10mins i wouldnt bother as both are of no use to me.

I respectfully disagree with your thoughts on VW being a "gimmick to anyone but a new vaper" and rather than go into the theory behind it (Ohm's Law and whatnot), I'll just give you a real-world example of how it can be useful.

Example:
Let's say that you are vaping a 2 ohm single coil device at 4 volts and you find this to be a pleasant experience. Your 2 ohm device kicks the bucket, so you switch to a 1.5 ohm single coil device (same tank, same juice, different resistance coil). If you wanted to replicate the pleasant experience you were just having with the 2 ohm single coil device at 4 volts (before it kicked the bucket), you would have to consult Ohm's Law. I've saved everybody the trouble and did the math: you would have to adjust your PV to ~3.46 volts to get the same experience on your 1.5 ohm device as you were getting from the 2 ohm device at 4 volts. Now, you could just "vape to taste" until you get what you believe to be about the same experience (instead of doing the math), but adjustments must be made nonetheless. Now let's look at the same scenario for a VW user.

Now you are using a VW device. You are vaping a 2 ohm single coil device at 8 watts (the exact equivalent of the single coil 2 ohm at 4 volts). Once again, you then switch to a 1.5 ohm single coil device (same tank, same juice, different resistance coil). Only this time, your device is already set at 8 watts and so it automatically adjusts your voltage output to ~3.46 volts to provide you with the exact same experience you were getting from the 2 ohm device. No math needed. No adjustments needed.


I hope this sheds some light on the usefulness of VW for those who believe it to be useless or gimmicky. It is useful, and it can be adjusted to taste just like VV. To imply that it is only useful for new vapers is extremely shortsighted; if anything I would say that more advanced vapers have the most to gain from VW as a feature. Now, you can sit there and tell me that none of the VW devices you own perform as well as the Provari. This is fine, in fact it is expected due to the fact that the Provari power delivery system produces a more "DC-like" waveform (read: higher quality) than a cheaper PV. However, it literally takes nothing away from VW as a useful feature. If Provape implemented VW, I am positive that they would do it to an excellent standard and it would give people a chance to see just how great of a feature it is.
 

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I know my juice and toppers; no need to consult charts or do math to know what power to vape them at.

Yes, but with VV adjustments must be made when switching between different resistance coils if you wish to achieve the same experience. With VW, no adjustments need to be made because it is automatically adjusting the voltage for you. That was the point of my example, and that is why VW is useful.
 

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Yes, but with VV adjustments must be made when switching between different resistance coils if you wish to achieve the same experience. With VW, no adjustments need to be made because it is automatically adjusting the voltage for you. That was the point of my example, and that is why VW is useful.

That's where multiple ProVari come into play, so I can switch flavors at ease, since pushing the button a couple times is too much work...
 

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That's where multiple ProVari come into play, so I can switch flavors at ease, since pushing the button a couple times is too much work...


So you're telling me that you keep multiple ProVaris in your arsenal, each set to a specific voltage for a specific juice? This to me does sound like too much work and downright inefficient. But what happens if the coil that you have on one of these single-juice-dedicated ProVaris kicks the bucket and you don't have a coil of the exact same resistance to replace it with? That's right, you need to adjust the voltage. If you had the ability to set the wattage, that adjustment would never be needed because your device would automatically adjust the voltage for you to give you the exact same experience. Once again, that was the point of my example and that is why VW is useful. Please read through the example I posted again, I can't really make it any clearer than that.
 

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So you're telling me that you keep multiple ProVaris in your arsenal, each set to a specific voltage for a specific juice? This to me does sound like too much work and downright inefficient. But what happens if the coil that you have on one of these single-juice-dedicated ProVaris kicks the bucket and you don't have a coil of the exact same resistance to replace it with? That's right, you need to adjust the voltage. If you had the ability to set the wattage, that adjustment would never be needed because your device would automatically adjust the voltage for you to give you the exact same experience. Once again, that was the point of my example and that is why VW is useful. Please read through the example I posted again, I can't really make it any clearer than that.

No, I just don't like changing tanks, so multiple ProVari solve that issue, but I do keep the carto tanks a little higher than the glassomizers. All of my coils are about the same resistance. Never kept a coil long enough for one to fail.

For my non-regulated ProVape-1s, I use coils which best suit the juices I use with them. Not sure how it is possible, given they don't have the all-important VW, but I get a fantastic vape out of them and I have no idea what the power is.
 

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No, I just don't like changing tanks, so multiple ProVari solve that issue, but I do keep the carto tanks a little higher than the glassomizers. All of my coils are about the same resistance. Never kept a coil long enough for one to fail.

For my non-regulated ProVape-1s, I use coils which best suit the juices I use with them. Not sure how it is possible, given they don't have the all-important VW, but I get a fantastic vape out of them and I have no idea what the power is.

Let's talk a little bit about all of your coils being about the same resistance. Even coils purchased directly from a reputable company like Kanger say on the box that they have a tolerance of +/- 0.2 ohms. Therefore, if somebody were to purchase two 2 ohm coils, in reality one of them might be 1.9 ohms and the other 2.1 ohms. If these coils are operated at the same voltage they would produce a different experience from one another. This is a fact. If you wanted these two coils to produce the same experience, adjustments would be needed to compensate. However, if they were operated at the same wattage they would produce the exact same experience with no adjustments. That was the point of my example, and that is why VW is a useful feature. If you can prove to me that VW is a useless feature/gimmick, I will stop replying to your posts. I can respect the fact that you don't like VW. I cannot however respect the idea that VW is useless or gimmicky in any way.
 

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I respectfully disagree with your thoughts on VW being a "gimmick to anyone but a new vaper" and rather than go into the theory behind it (Ohm's Law and whatnot), I'll just give you a real-world example of how it can be useful.

Example:
Let's say that you are vaping a 2 ohm single coil device at 4 volts and you find this to be a pleasant experience. Your 2 ohm device kicks the bucket, so you switch to a 1.5 ohm single coil device (same tank, same juice, different resistance coil). If you wanted to replicate the pleasant experience you were just having with the 2 ohm single coil device at 4 volts (before it kicked the bucket), you would have to consult Ohm's Law. I've saved everybody the trouble and did the math: you would have to adjust your PV to ~3.46 volts to get the same experience on your 1.5 ohm device as you were getting from the 2 ohm device at 4 volts. Now, you could just "vape to taste" until you get what you believe to be about the same experience (instead of doing the math), but adjustments must be made nonetheless. Now let's look at the same scenario for a VW user.

Now you are using a VW device. You are vaping a 2 ohm single coil device at 8 watts (the exact equivalent of the single coil 2 ohm at 4 volts). Once again, you then switch to a 1.5 ohm single coil device (same tank, same juice, different resistance coil). Only this time, your device is already set at 8 watts and so it automatically adjusts your voltage output to ~3.46 volts to provide you with the exact same experience you were getting from the 2 ohm device. No math needed. No adjustments needed.


I hope this sheds some light on the usefulness of VW for those who believe it to be useless or gimmicky. It is useful, and it can be adjusted to taste just like VV. To imply that it is only useful for new vapers is extremely shortsighted; if anything I would say that more advanced vapers have the most to gain from VW as a feature. Now, you can sit there and tell me that none of the VW devices you own perform as well as the Provari. This is fine, in fact it is expected due to the fact that the Provari power delivery system produces a more "DC-like" waveform (read: higher quality) than a cheaper PV. However, it literally takes nothing away from VW as a useful feature. If Provape implemented VW, I am positive that they would do it to an excellent standard and it would give people a chance to see just how great of a feature it is.

You postulate here that when switching out your 2 ohm coil at 8 watts (your sweet spot) for a 1.5 ohm coil, your VW will auto adjust the voltage to match the 8 watts, thus hitting that same sweet spot.
Sounds good.

Except I postulate that the sweet spot on a 2 ohm coil is different on a 1.5 ohm coil. And that you would have to adjust the wattage somewhat to regain that sweet spot st a slightly difference wattage.

I further postulate that some vapers cannot tell their sweet spot from a hole in the ground, and that their Vaping experience is neither improved Nor lessened by the inclusion or absence of VW.

I personally don't expect VW to either simplify or improve my VV Vaping experience.


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