No problem, all is well. So does that mean that the Scorpion does not have these issues?
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Others have complained of muted flavor, I have been happy with mine. I WILL say I opened Scorpion #4 today and so far it does seem a bit muted, but only vaped on it about 10 min, so maybe it will improve.
Either way, I am glad I got to be part of this program, and I look forward to contributing my 2 cents, plus a portion of my paycheck. (albeit a smaller portion). I look forward to being a guinea vaper.
I wanted to like the Scorpions, but after 3 of them.....can only mark them "OK" from my perspective. Other people have really liked them (Danno mentioned someone ordered 30 more after trying them). Everyone has their own perspective. I see a lot of comments about people not liking the flavor on Stardusts....I think they are great.
For me....I just really appreciate being part of the alpha program, and having the opportunity to try new stuff at great prices. I'm a bit of a "toy person".....so while other people sit back and wait to see the reviews....I love jumping in to try the new stuff. I know not everything will work out for me, but that okay.
For me....I just really appreciate being part of the alpha program, and having the opportunity to try new stuff at great prices. I'm a bit of a "toy person".....so while other people sit back and wait to see the reviews....I love jumping in to try the new stuff. I know not everything will work out for me, but that okay.
I believe I can think of a reason for this but it is only a theory ( so to speak ).... I suspect the carto in the tank you mentioned is a polyfil fiber type... If so, the coils are completely surrounded by juice which would cool them down more than in a clearo which only has a wick going through the center of the coil meaning they are not being cooled down as much as what you are getting in the carto itself.
If I'm correct... you should get almost the same vape at the lower voltage in the clearo with the only differences being the flavor profile that the carto and clearo will have. So the million dollar question would be is the vape as satisfying in the clearo at the voltage that it works best at... compared to the carto at its best voltage? Understanding the clearo will likely produce the higher note flavors more and the carto will likely accent the lower flavor notes.
30 more? Sounds like a resale situation.
I am the same way, I dont mind trying untested products for a discount. If you think about it, most of the products we get seem to be untested anyway, so the fact that we can try them at a discount makes it that much sweeter. FTR, that comment is directed at the manufacturers, not the vendors. It is not the vendors' fault that the manufacturers dont do proper testing b4 they release products. I am one of those vapers who has a whole box full of different clearos and things that leak or just dont work. So I was more than willing to be a part of this program and get the chance to stop filling my box at full price.
I never could get either of the 2 Scorpions to work. I even tried unflavored PG and VG. I am glad others have had luck with them, but, if memory serves me, it seems close to a 50/50 split in people who liked them and those that didn't. Also, I did find these (not sure if they are exactly the same) for sale by another vendor and the results were about the same. Oh well, I figured out a way to mod them and get them working pretty well in a different configuration, so I am still happy with the purchase. Except the tank on 1 cracked just sitting there empty. Super glue fixed it up for now.
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Rdsok, I see your theory, but I am wondering if the polyfill might prevent cooling down under heavy use as it would get warm and hold in the heat as opposed to an open air situation.
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I agree that individual preferences seem to make a big difference...for example I can't stand Boge Carto's, and other people absolutely rave about them!
I guess I shouldn't get into the thermodynamics of wet vs dry here... Still a good analogy would probably explain it.
Stand in front of a fan without a shirt on ( preferably in the privacy of your own home lol )... now put on a T-Shirt and stand in front of the fan again... it should be warmer feeling. Repeat it with a wet T-Shirt ( all you dirty minded folk, hold your tongue )... it should be cooler feeling in the wet T-Shirt vs either the fan and no shirt, or the dry shirt. The same principles apply with a carto because the liguid can transfer the heat away quicker than open air can.
I get the heat transfer issues, wet vs dry, but I am only talking about under heavy use situations. Even then the initial cool down would be quicker, but the full cool would be longer. Plus, with the shirt analogy you are dealing with airflow to increase evaporative cooling effect. In a semi-sealed tube you would not have that. It would be more like standing outside on a hot humid summer day without a shirt and with a wet shirt. I guess I could break out the non-contact and do some tests.
I totally agree....they fall into Bad's "socks" category for me.....but zillions of people love them and won't use anything else. Taste is such a totally subjective thing. I steep my juices for a minimum of 2 weeks before I even try them now. Many of them go for a month. I see people all the time saying a juice was great right out of the mailbox....but I haven't found one yet that I liked before it steeped for a while.
What I don't get is this:
Yes, flavor perception as far as what we like or don't like is very individual. But flavor intensity shouldn't, in principle, be all that subjective. If carto A produces more intense flavor than carto B, it should be the same for everyone, relatively.
So why doesn't it happen that way? I think the Stardusts produce much more flavor than most other things out there - I taste nuances of flavor with them that I didn't even know were there with Fluxos or Visions. And yet other folks complain that the flavor is muted.
Why?
I can't explain it by different juice preferences either - I vape everything, just about, and I haven't found a juice yet which will have less flavor in a Stardust than in anything else sans dripping...
Is is the actual physical way in which we vape? Like the way we hold the tongue, or whether it's a direct inhale or not, etc? Is it the power at which we prefer to vape? I wish there was an explanation beyond "magic". LOL
Yes, flavor perception as far as what we like or don't like is very individual. But flavor intensity shouldn't, in principle, be all that subjective. If carto A produces more intense flavor than carto B, it should be the same for everyone, relatively.
So why doesn't it happen that way? I think the Stardusts produce much more flavor than most other things out there - I taste nuances of flavor with them that I didn't even know were there with Fluxos or Visions. And yet other folks complain that the flavor is muted.
Why?
I can't explain it by different juice preferences either - I vape everything, just about, and I haven't found a juice yet which will have less flavor in a Stardust than in anything else sans dripping...
Is is the actual physical way in which we vape? Like the way we hold the tongue, or whether it's a direct inhale or not, etc? Is it the power at which we prefer to vape? I wish there was an explanation beyond "magic". LOL
Briar, the variables are endless. It could come down to ambient temperature, particulates in the air, air density, the amount of saliva in your mouth, etc. But I agree, you wouldn't think it would be so extreme. I mean, if I had a really good apple and sliced it up, wouldn't most people agree it is a good apple? Then again, if we could switch bodies, would the same apple taste different using your taste buds? Would red look more green to me through your eyes?
It's crazy to think about.
It's crazy to think about.
I've found that the only way I can be sure about a particular carto or device is to try it myself. Some people swear that vaping LR at high voltage is awesome but all I get is burnt juice. It has been the same with every device I've used in 2 1/2 years some love them and some don't like them. I guess that is why we had so many different brands of cigarettes, pipes and cigars. I liked smoking a pipe but hated cigars, I liked filtered cigarettes and disliked unfiltered. The bottomline is we are all different and will not like the same devices even though it is hard to understand why everyone doesn't like our favorite setups.
Really the only opinion that counts is yours and what works best for you is good nomatter what others think about them.
Really the only opinion that counts is yours and what works best for you is good nomatter what others think about them.
It's really complicated.
We do each have different configurations and types of taste buds, and they are affected by what we breathe, eat, vape, etc. or just by getting older.
But beyond that, the taste buds are just sensors - they have to transmit the information to our brains to analyse and decide 'yummy' or 'bad socks.' And don't get me started on how different people's brains process the same kinds of information.....
Yeah, it'll make you crazy. Don't think about it.
We do each have different configurations and types of taste buds, and they are affected by what we breathe, eat, vape, etc. or just by getting older.
But beyond that, the taste buds are just sensors - they have to transmit the information to our brains to analyse and decide 'yummy' or 'bad socks.' And don't get me started on how different people's brains process the same kinds of information.....
Yeah, it'll make you crazy. Don't think about it.
It's really complicated.
We do each have different configurations and types of taste buds, and they are affected by what we breathe, eat, vape, etc. or just by getting older.
But beyond that, the taste buds are just sensors - they have to transmit the information to our brains to analyse and decide 'yummy' or 'bad socks.' And don't get me started on how different people's brains process the same kinds of information.....
Yeah, it'll make you crazy. Don't think about it.
OK here's a good one. I think in English, and when I read I hear the words spoken in English in my mind...I hear the words in my head.
If you had been a deaf/mute since birth and had never heard a spoken word, what would your thoughts sound like? When you were reading, what would you hear in your head? Would it be pure pictures and feeling?
This one has always puzzled me....
I agree with you on the Stardusts....I get great flavor from them, better than most other options.
But....I constantly see people trashing them because of the "muted" flavor. Some of them, I think, may be using knockoff products, but not all. It doesn't make sense. There are some "weird" things that happen tho. My current favorite juice is KBV Strawberry Pie (70/30). It tastes really good in my Vivi Nova....but tastes better in a Stardust. But...if I go to Malty Toffee.....it tastes better in the Vivi Nova than the Stardust. PG/VG ratios are probably different on those two juices....but it doesn't follow the pattern with other juices.
I think everyone's perception of flavor is subjective b/c if you think about it, not all people enjoy the same thing. I prefer sweeter flavors vs those with less sweetness. It's why my staple e-liquids include an extra strong flavoring in Marshmallow and Cotton Candy. I always have a bottle of e-liquid sweetener on hand along with a bottle of MFS' smoke-liquid. I keep 2 bottles in my purse. One has Braille bump dot attached to it and the other doesn't. The one with the bump dot is the one with a higher nicotine amount for those times when under stress, drinking ir cluggig w
flavors taste a tiny bit off from dripping but that is true of everything but dripping...draw is just about right
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