Question for all those "only vape where I can smoke" people.
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I follow the same rules as smoking because I do realize that not everyone wants to smell Belgium waffles with vanilla custard. Also people tend to get nutty enough and tell you it's worse them smoking. Plus I just see it as respectful I wouldn't want some breathing alcohol all over me or even drinking it near me (but I'm not the type to complain just can't stand the smell or taste of it lol)
In a compassionate world, the term addict should have minimal negative connotations. That is the reason why treatment centers and substance abuse counselors are separate from the rest of the human services world.
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I REFUSE to respect anyone who thinks they have the right to direct my life. To them all I might show is my backside! They can kiss it or not... I'm NOT a control freak.
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Andria
Farsalino. Here's a page that quotes him. I don't have the time to find the exact study again right now, but pulled this up with a quick Google search.
Health Professionals Agree That Ecigarettes Are 95 Percent Safer
Fwiw, breathing air is also roughly 95% safe. That's one of the points he made, iirc. That there no detectable difference between normal air and vapor produced in a normal manner (read normal as a properly functioning vaporizer, rather than running a clearomizer at twice the intended voltage resulting in burning wicks and whatnot).
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. ”
Joseph Goebbels, Adolf Hitler's Propaganda Minister
Actually, Goebbels never said this. It is a popular fake.
The Goebbels saying was:
The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous
I went to Wal_Mart and marched to the cereal aisle like a big dog! Four seconds before turning into the isle I had my IPV 5 fire button held down so my kayfun coil would be white hot and ready for humongous tootle puffer clouds. As I turned the corner I was met with a site that disgusted me! (not to be confused with disgusting of me which only happens when I get really really really drunk or someone is dumb enough to cook red beans or white beans for me).
NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON IN THE CEREAL AISLE! NOT ONE! No vapors, No residual clouds...nothing. Needless to say, I took my finger off the fire button and casually slipped my vape back into my pocket and with a look of pure defeat, I moseyed over to the DVD department and sulked.
On the bright side I did find a Louis L'aMour 3 movie western collection for $10.
I would of wiped out the I 6 with mini boze (but big base) speaker and Bust A MoveI went to Wal_Mart and marched to the cereal aisle like a big dog! Four seconds before turning into the isle I had my IPV 5 fire button held down so my kayfun coil would be white hot and ready for humongous tootle puffer clouds. As I turned the corner I was met with a site that disgusted me! (not to be confused with disgusting of me which only happens when I get really really really drunk or someone is dumb enough to cook red beans or white beans for me).
NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON IN THE CEREAL AISLE! NOT ONE! No vapors, No residual clouds...nothing. Needless to say, I took my finger off the fire button and casually slipped my vape back into my pocket and with a look of pure defeat, I moseyed over to the DVD department and sulked.
On the bright side I did find a Louis L'aMour 3 movie western collection for $10.
You don't have to be an expert in toxicology when common sense is sufficient.
And in this case, after reviewing the available studies, it is.
I would rephrase that...
A great percentage of new vapers mistake quit-smoking symptoms with a PG allergy.
A real allergy to PG is far, far less common than the "great percentage" that you have suggested.
Instead of a "Like" button, I wish we had a "This is the Truth and all the rest is Crap" button.
I would agree, except I live in the best city on planet earth.Um.. what you just said is "outdoors is fair game, unless someone arbitrarily decides it's not."
Nope. Outdoors is fair game. Period. If you live in one of those states that seems to want to regulate every waking minute of your life, or where you can BREATHE, my advice would be, "move." There are other places in this country where people have some sense.
Andria
I've tried to find somewhere else to retire, but I've failed thus far.
I don't think moving is the right answer for me.
So I stealth vape with a very high degree of skill and acumen.
Its a shame San Diego is in CA Cause your right its a great city Ill be there Sun I have about 6 weeks work at Pendleton
Comparison of the effects of e-cigarette vapor and cigarette smoke on indoor air quality. - PubMed - NCBI
Non-cancer risk analysis revealed "No Significant Risk" of harm to human health for vapor samples from e-liquids.
The study indicates no apparent risk to human health from e-cigarette emissions based on the compounds analyzed.
http://clearstream.flavourart.it/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/CSA_ItaEng.pdf
there is one fact: 5 vapers using e-cigarettes for 5h in a small room without renewal of indoor air do not produce detectable levels of nicotine in the air.
No glycerine was detected in air during cigarette smoking. On the other hand, 72μg/m3 were detected during e-smoking. This amount is much lower than the threshold safety limit (TWA-TLV 10mg/m3) and much lower than the threshold for moderate risk.
During the traditional cigarette smoking session, 6 out of 16PAHs were identified. Nothing was identified during the e-cigarette session.
The above experiment, within the limits of the observed parameters, has underlined that e-smoking does not produce detectable amounts of toxic and carcinogenic substances in the air of an enclosed space.
IJERPH | Free Full-Text | Comparative In Vitro Toxicity Profile of Electronic and Tobacco Cigarettes, Smokeless Tobacco and Nicotine Replacement Therapy Products: E-Liquids, Extracts and Collected Aerosols
The toxicity evaluation was performed on e-liquids and pad-collected aerosols of e-cigs, pad-collected smoke condensates of tobacco cigarettes and extracts of SLT and NRT products. In all assays, exposures with e-cig liquids and collected aerosols, at the doses tested, showed no significant activity when compared to tobacco burning cigarettes. Results for the e-cigs, with and without nicotine in two evaluated flavor variants, were very similar in all assays, indicating that the presence of nicotine and flavors, at the levels tested, did not induce any cytotoxic, genotoxic or inflammatory effects. The present findings indicate that neither the e-cig liquids and collected aerosols, nor the extracts of the SLT and NRT products produce any meaningful toxic effects in four widely-applied in vitro test systems, in which the conventional cigarette smoke preparations, at comparable exposures, are markedly cytotoxic and genotoxic.
Norwegian Institute of Public Health must IMMEDIATELY retract false statements about passive e-cigarette exposure
As I calculated in my comment for the Spanish study, the level of nicotine intake from passive exposure to e-cigarettes is not only harmless but has absolutely no biological effect, even according to the strictest regulatory criteria.
Nicotine absorbed from “passive vaping” is minimal and with no health implications
Does it mean that passive vaping may lead to nicotine dependence?
Does it mean that nicotine is absorbed to such levels that it may cause harm to bystanders?
The answer to both questions is NO.
And there is a LOT more out there.
Oh, while I'm here, let me throw this at you.
World Health Organization: Outdoor Air Pollution Causes Cancer
I tried to like this post about 500 and fifty thousand times but it wouldn't let me.
Wow, vapers throwing around the word "addict" like a was frisbee or something.
That's kind of disgusting, and I would have hoped they would know better.
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