RAW DUCK, V2 Cartomizer Review

[naviathan]

Thanks for the link gratefully appreciate it

Yes there are 510 versions, I have a package of 30 incoming hopefully soon. Last time I talked to them they said they would ship on the 17th. Seemed a long time to wait just for shipping, but I'll be patient and see how this goes.

 

[criptix]

i wonder if they used a lead free soder since it looks like your liquid is there

 

[Lightgeoduck]

a snippet of my post in another thread:

"I tested the KR8 type V2 cartos with an adapter on an ego (since it has been stated 3.7v mods may be too much for it).. using some nhaler lung juice that I had from back ago...(which is mild flavor and thin) it appears that it shortens the wicking wait between vapes, but does not make it carefree... I still stand by my previous stated assesments.... a few people are receiving some of my v2 cartos for their firsthand experience... but I am done making comments on this... since I feel I have exausted all possible testing options.. and put out all the info I can..... I wish everyone the best with this.. and I see that this is a step closer to something new... (even though GreenCig carto's element does not touch the filler, but those are not my cup of tea)"



Happy vaping

DUCK

 

[naviathan]

Lung juice is even thick when compared to a typical dekang juice though. I know from experience. Load Dekang in a small syringe and squeeze it out, then do the same with lung juice. The resistance on the plunger is far greater with lung juice.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

@ nav... Lung juice is pretty thin... and yeah you are maybe right that the dekang juice is thinner by comparison... I have done tests with pure pg DIY that could be in comparison to DK as well....

In case you didn't read through this.. I agree this product has potential, but it still needs inprovement (what improvement? wicking improvemnt) it seems that there are too many requirements (as it stands) for this product to provide satisfaction i.e. specific ecig type, juice type, and what phase the moon is in and even THAT isn't 100% since it appears that timing is a factor as well when vaping..... who know ,, I wouldn't be surprised that some people will like this... I can't speak for everyone...

All I know is as a flexible vaporer like me.. meaning I use many atty types @ different voltages. using different juices...this product still doesn't make par (IMO)

So maybe I will retract one of my statements earlier made.... Maybe this is for the newbee (pre-filled of course,, until they learn) this way they don't have other stuff to compare it to... I would imagine a first time user.. with patience will think "Hey wow! neat"... but for the seasoned... especially here on the forums.. where people tend to try a variety of products.... this v2 (as it stands) is limited IMO.. of course I could be wrong


Disclaimer: I only speak of the V2 kr8 threaded cartos... since I have not tried them firsthand and I am not sure if they are actually designed differently

 

[naviathan]

Agreed, lots of stipulations for a full fledged product. It's getting there though. I'm still trying to figure out how the shipments are divided here. Some reviews are coming in good, but I'm thinking there's a revision separation in here somewhere. If this was a quality control issue there would be variations in every batch, but so far we're seeing full shipments to different people that are either far right or far left (the left being the bad ones of course, no political relation to the analogy I promise). I have someone sending me 10 out of what appears to be a bad batch and I should be receiving what I think will be a good batch soon from e-liquids.cn.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Agreed, lots of stipulations for a full fledged product. It's getting there though. I'm still trying to figure out how the shipments are divided here. Some reviews are coming in good, but I'm thinking there's a revision separation in here somewhere. If this was a quality control issue there would be variations in every batch, but so far we're seeing full shipments to different people that are either far right or far left (the left being the bad ones of course, no political relation to the analogy I promise). I have someone sending me 10 out of what appears to be a bad batch and I should be receiving what I think will be a good batch soon from e-liquids.cn.

Im assuming you mean in a general sense.. and not with this product since you still haven't tried it,and are unsure of the Actual progress..

Well the variety comes from (my guess) and not limited to
1 some being kr8 and others being 510
2. not knowing any different... so nothing to compare to really

I am sure quality control is a factor in part... Like when emonty says his doesn't all of a drip tip to fit.. where mine does... though his is a 510 and mine isn't.. the tubing's diameter shouldn't be different to the point a drip tip doesn't fit.

 

[naviathan]

Im assuming you mean in a general sense.. and not with this product since you still haven't tried it,and are unsure of the Actual progress..

Well the variety comes from (my guess) and not limited to
1 some being kr8 and others being 510
2. not knowing any different... so nothing to compare to really

I am sure quality control is a factor in part... Like when emonty says his doesn't all of a drip tip to fit.. where mine does... though his is a 510 and mine isn't.. the tubing's diameter shouldn't be different to the point a drip tip doesn't fit.

The inner components of the carts are the same between the models. Hence the reason they had to produce a higher ohm coil for the KR808 model to slow the excessive juice usage. The only things that change between them is the connectors. I have a drip tip on the way for a 510 so I'll see if it fits the carts I have coming.
The current run of carts already in country are an early version of the E2 with a smaller wick. I clipped a focused frame from your videos of the carts. I've also seen pics of a revised version from the manufacturer that has a marked size difference in the wick. I believe the ones you've tested are being phased out right now. Hence the reason the shipments are coming in slowly right now and those that have received them seem to be doing well on them. Just my theory, but I'm trying to gather the appropriate materials to test it.

 

[sanfordf]

From what I've seen from the pictures of these CE2 cartos, it looks like (maybe) if you take a hard 'air only' draw (not engaging the atty or enough to drink juice) it might help to create some vacuum pressure to aid in the wicking (maybe). Just a thought.

 

[K24A3]

i wonder if they used a lead free soder since it looks like your liquid is there

I was thinking the same thing!

I hope they are using Tin Solder..

 

[naviathan]

All the comments and concerns that the members of ECF have voiced about the new carts seems to have paid off. I've seen pics of a new design that will go into production soon that appears to fix all the problems! Of course seeing pics and using it are two different things I know, but given the progression of versions I've been talking about this latest one look to be THE one. I'll report back to the forums when I find out more.

 

[oettinger]

All the comments and concerns that the members of ECF have voiced about the new carts seems to have paid off. I've seen pics of a new design that will go into production soon that appears to fix all the problems! Of course seeing pics and using it are two different things I know, but given the progression of versions I've been talking about this latest one look to be THE one. I'll report back to the forums when I find out more.

I HOPE this manufacturer is giving you sort of consideration for ALL of the hard work you are doing at diffusing THERE problems. I would like to hear from the MANUFACTURER themselves some type of response to all of the reviews here. I am sure they have someone there that can speak English.

If not, they can hire someone to speak for them, although it seems to me like they already have...

 

[naviathan]

I HOPE this manufacturer is giving you sort of consideration for ALL of the hard work you are doing at diffusing THERE problems. I would like to hear from the MANUFACTURER themselves some type of response to all of the reviews here. I am sure they have someone there that can speak English.

If not, they can hire someone to speak for them, although it seems to me like they already have...

Martinez does speak English, just not very good English. He also speaks Spanish, French and Chinese. I couldn't tell you about any of those though. Although I would think his Spanish would be really good considering it's his native language. I was asked to post information on his behalf due to the difficulty with English. Trust what I post or not, it really doesn't matter. The changes are making their way through the line which is what I intended with this from the beginning. I pass information to him, he passes information to me and relay the things that are relevant to the forum. Some things like pics of the new design are not things I can pass to the forum, yet.

As for your insinuating that I am getting paid for this, no, I am not. Believe that or not, I don't care. Some people in this world are just as happy helping to make a product better without any payment as they are with. I have a job, I make plenty of money. What I don't have is a cartomizer I'm happy with, yet. I think this may be it though.

 

[oettinger]

I pass information to him, he passes information to me and relay the things that are relevant to the forum. Some things like pics of the new design are not things I can pass to the forum, yet.

I am just not sure why they wouldn't want to discuss this information with a person that was going to place orders for thousands of cartomizers?

What you are doing may be innocent enough, but I would THINK that these issues would be better handled through distribution channels, and possible resellers, people that would make a huge difference in the SALE, or business of these items. I would think that they would have some type of conversation with the people from V4L, Nhaler, LiteCig or the like to see what they are willing to buy, as they will surely buy MANY more than individual buyers from the e-cigarette forum.

MANY people I know that vape have NEVER been to this forum, but do know of many of the vendors from users of other forums. I am not sure why the relatively few members of this forum make as much of a difference to this company as the distributors that will buy tens of thousands of units, and why these companies do not have the information you do.

BTW, I am from Florida, and LOTS of people here speak Spanish, including my son's mom, who was born in Cuba. I could hook him up with 100 people that speak Spanish and English fluently. I would ask to talk to him personally, but MY Spanish is the ugly american type.

 

[naviathan]

I am just not sure why they wouldn't want to discuss this information with a person that was going to place orders for thousands of cartomizers?

What you are doing may be innocent enough, but I would THINK that these issues would be better handled through distribution channels, and possible resellers, people that would make a huge difference in the SALE, or business of these items. I would think that they would have some type of conversation with the people from V4L, Nhaler, LiteCig or the like to see what they are willing to buy, as they will surely buy MANY more than individual buyers from the e-cigarette forum.

You're right, but at the same time we don't know the full details of the conversations and dealings that transpired between V4L and Microcig. For all I know, I just happened along at the right time and he just likes talking with me. I think it makes perfect sense after having issues with a retailer to collect a select number of same minded individuals in a large community, give them enough information to keep them following and updating the progress of the product to build some anticipation toward rebuilding the products reputation.
Think about it, you make a product like the As-Seen-On-TV stuff, get an agreement through Walmart to sell it and something goes wrong. Walmart puts out a public notice and stops selling your product. What's your next avenue to rebuild your product? Pick smaller retailers and build pools of customers in your target regions, with information of updates to fix the problems from before. Hype it up with individuals and let it run until Walmart decides to pick it up again.

MANY people I know that vape have NEVER been to this forum, but do know of many of the vendors from users of other forums. I am not sure why the relatively few members of this forum make as much of a difference to this company as the distributors that will buy tens of thousands of units, and why these companies do not have the information you do.

This forum is actually one of the largest (maybe THE largest) vapers forums on the net. We have a very large US member base which is the target demographic for this product.

BTW, I am from Florida, and LOTS of people here speak Spanish, including my son's mom, who was born in Cuba. I could hook him up with 100 people that speak Spanish and English fluently. I would ask to talk to him personally, but MY Spanish is the ugly american type.

My Spanish would be right there with yours, probably worse. However after several deployments over seas and lots of interaction with foreign nationals here and abroad, I've learned to move words around in my head so they read the way they're suppose to when speaking with someone who doesn't speak English so well.

 

[badkolo]

NAV i know you said if we order now they will be the new ones, but all i ask is to please make sure becuase i will order tomorow and io dont want to wait 2 weeks to find out i didnt get the new revision.

thanks

 

[naviathan]

I asked Martinez and he said everything that has not shipped out before this production will be the new design. If you ordered today you will get the new design.

 

[lorikay13]

As usual...I'm confused...??? Are what your talking about...or referring to as the V2 the same thing as the Edition2 ? these....MicroCig 808 SuperMini Cartomizer Edition 2 | Vapor Authority
Or is that something totally different?

So also...would the 808 be the same as the 4081/DSE103 ?

 

[naviathan]

As usual...I'm confused...??? Are what your talking about...or referring to as the V2 the same thing as the Edition2 ? these....MicroCig 808 SuperMini Cartomizer Edition 2 | Vapor Authority
Or is that something totally different?

So also...would the 808 be the same as the 4081/DSE103 ?

I'm confused by Vapor Authorities ad. You'd have to ask them for clarification on that. I didn't know there was an "808" that fit the 510 threads. If that is the Microcig Edition 2 Cartomizer as they're claiming, they have one heck of a markup.

 

[BanjoMan]

NAV i know you said if we order now they will be the new ones, but all i ask is to please make sure becuase i will order tomorow and io dont want to wait 2 weeks to find out i didnt get the new revision.

thanks

I asked Martinez and he said everything that has not shipped out before this production will be the new design. If you ordered today you will get the new design.

What do they plan on doing with their existing stock of V2's? Hard to believe they would just scrap a bunch of new, packaged cartos out of the goodness of their hearts.