Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! - Pt.2

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Ok, so I got the billow v3, first wicking attempt it drained on me, gonna try again leaving more girth in the tails

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Looking at the pictures of it, it looks to have holes the tails go into rather than just slots, right? If so I would do the tails like you are saying, leaving a bit more. Please keep us informed:thumb: how's building in it with the velocity posts?
 

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Looking at the pictures of it, it looks to have holes the tails go into rather than just slots, right? If so I would do the tails like you are saying, leaving a bit more. Please keep us informed:thumb: how's building in it with the velocity posts?
It's a cake walk....and I love the central air flow, kind of like the gemini.....flavor if phenominal, and I am using Sally's as opposed to dm balls

Edit: well addition: the build deck is insane for a billow. Using the stock 3mm ID coils comes out to .32 ohms. I am in heaven right now.

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Thanks for the tips! Ok this is stupid of me but what is "bow tie it"?

I pinch the ends so the whole coil looks just like a bow tie. then I'll place the bottoms in the juice channels, and hack everything else off at an angle.


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It's a cake walk....and I love the central air flow, kind of like the gemini.....flavor if phenominal, and I am using Sally's as opposed to dm balls

Edit: well addition: the build deck is insane for a billow. Using the stock 3mm ID coils comes out to .32 ohms. I am in heaven right now.

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I'm going to have to upgrade:thumbs:
 

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Here's how I do it:


Pics are rough to be sure, but I basically fill the coil, snip to the edge of the deck, bowtie it, then hack off whatever sticks up, at an angle. Weeps slightly until vacuum is built up, but hasn't leaked a drop on me yet :D


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Tried yesterday so far so good! :thumb: Thanks again! The pics helped!
 

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I pinch the ends so the whole coil looks just like a bow tie. then I'll place the bottoms in the juice channels, and hack everything else off at an angle.


-Kingboomer
Yeah dopey me, once I had the rayon in the coil, I got the aha moment thanks @Kingboomer !
 

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Well that's one way to do it. It may work for the person but may not for you if you vape differently.

If your asking me do it just like the last one you did. Waterfall into the juice slots.
Thanks @JeremyR ! I was just confused. I found your vids on YouTube & subbed. The same as the ones posted on page 1. On your vids you were wicking a RDA & I thought for RTA's it should be the same but couldn't wrap my head around it. Maybe if it's not too much to ask :D one day when you have time. Perhaps you could post a vid on how to wick RTA's? For now I've got the Griffin, Crius & thanks to @Kingboomer's pics for the Serpent so far so good!:banana: Thanks again!
 
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...flavor is phenominal, and I am using Sally's as opposed to dm balls

Next time you go to Wal-Mart, pick up a bottle of NatureMade D3 tablets for 5 bucks. Jeremy's mentioned several times that purified sterile pharmeceutical rayon was better, but I don't think he sufficiently emphasized how much better it is. It's stunningly better than Sally's, Tidi Balls or KU!! I estimate I will easily get more than 12 wicks from it, counting a generous amount of waste. With rayon, that should be about a year's worth. Well worth the time, trouble and money. If you're in the USA, just do it!
 
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Yeah, if you found the right kind, it's what sparked the movement.. The original OP reflects that rayon. Sounds like the same kind. I know I have found other pharmaceutical rayon that wasn't as good as what I found before. Sounds like you found it for us again...

Now the rayon curious have a quick option to try besides ku.
 

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Thanks @JeremyR ! I was just confused. I found your vids on YouTube & subbed. The same as the ones posted on page 1. On your vids you were wicking a RDA & I thought for RTA's it should be the same but couldn't wrap my head around it. Maybe if it's not too much to ask :D one day when you have time. Perhaps you could post a vid on how to wick RTA's? For now I've got the Griffin, Crius & thanks to @Kingboomer's pics for the Serpent so far so good!:banana: Thanks again!

Send me any atty and I'll build it test it and make a video of how to do it and explain it.. :)

The flash e-Vapor is an rta tank. It's a 5ml tank. But yes it's deck is more like a dripper.

The main thing your looking at is how to manipulate the fiber, amount and tightness, as well as an example of the great amount of tails you have to remove.
 

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Finally got the Lemo 2 to work. Horizontal coil, pulled wick through. Trimmed perpendicular to base. Bowtie and cut tops at 45. Gently push remainder toward deck. Trim bottom somewhat flush with deck. Vertically cut off most of what is bristled out. Trimmed cat ears at top of coil. Looks like there is not enough wick left to work or it will flood. Assemble dry so that chimney doesn't drag wick. Fill and suck until a bubble. No flood with 90vg/10dw and air flow almost closed, maybe 10%-15% open.
 

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Now the rayon curious have a quick option to try besides ku.

Not only that, they'll get the benefits of vitamin D. It's a win/win! Here at
Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! - Pt.2 we take a holistic approach to vaping. You're welcome.

When examining the medical literature, it becomes clear that Vitamin D3 affects human health in an astonishing number of ways and that not obtaining enough of this important nutrient can leave the door open to developing a number of health conditions.

Depression

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Vitamin D3 deficiency is common in older adults and has been implicated in psychiatric and neurologic disorders. For example, in one study of 80 older adults (40 with mild Alzheimer’s disease and 40 nondemented persons), Vitamin D3 deficiency was associated with low mood and with impairment on two of four measures of cognitive performance.6



Back Pain

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Musculoskeletal disorders have been linked to Vitamin D3 deficiency in a number of studies. One of the newest studies explored the role that low Vitamin D3 levels play in the development of chronic low back pain in women. Sixty female patients in Egypt complaining of low back pain lasting more than three months were studied. Researchers measured levels of Vitamin D3 in the women with low back pain and compared those levels to those of 20 matched healthy controls.

The study revealed that patients with low back pain had significantly lower Vitamin D3 levels than controls. Low Vitamin D3 levels (25 OHD < 40 ng/ml) were found in 49/60 patients (81 percent) and 12/20 (60 percent) of controls.7

Bone Health

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One of the best known and long-established benefits of Vitamin D3 is its ability to improve bone health and the health of the musculoskeletal system. It is well documented that Vitamin D3 deficiency causes osteopenia, precipitates and exacerbates osteoporosis, causes a painful bone disease known as osteomalacia, and exacerbates muscle weakness, which increases the risk of falls and fractures. Vitamin D3 insufficiency may alter the regulatory mechanisms of parathyroid hormone (PTH) and cause a secondary hyperparathyroidism that increases the risk of osteoporosis and fractures.8



Cognitive Enhancement

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Scientists are developing a greater appreciation for Vitamin D3’s ability to improve cognition. In a recent study, Vitamin D3 deficient subjects scored worse on mental function tests compared to individuals who had higher levels of the Vitamin.9 The researchers wrote, “In conclusion, the positive, significant correlation between serum 25(OH)D concentration and MMSE [mental state examination scores] in these patients suggests a potential role for Vitamin D in cognitive function of older adults.”




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Vitamin D3 deficiency has been linked to a host of other conditions such as high blood pressure, fibromyalgia, diabetes, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, and an increased risk of pre-eclampsia and insulin resistance during pregnancy.11,15-16 Most recently, low Vitamin D3 levels have been linked to an increased prevalence of early age-related macular degeneration.17

Proper Dosage

In many of my patients, even after consuming 2,000 to 4,000 IU of Vitamin D3 per day, their test results indicate that their Vitamin D3 levels have not increased. These patients needed to consume 8,000 IU of Vitamin D3 per day to achieve proper blood levels of the Vitamin. Patients should, therefore, have their physicians test their serum 1,25-dihyroxy D3 levels to determine the proper level of supplementation required. Testing is very important due to the fact that, in a small number of patients, Vitamin D3 supplementation can raise calcium levels to an excessively high level. I have found this to be especially true in African American patients. Testing for 1,25-dihyroxy Vitamin D3, PTH and calcium blood levels should therefore become a part of every woman’s regular blood work.

Conclusion

A growing number of researchers who have widely studied Vitamin D3 are almost begging the general public to consume more of this important nutrient. Due to Vitamin D3’s high safety profile in doses up to 10,000 IU per day and because of the wide role it plays in our health, consuming 2,000 to 4,000 IU per day of this nutrient at times of the year when sunlight is scarce is a prudent way to improve overall health.

References

1. Vieth R, Ladak Y, Walfish PG. Age-related changes in the 25-hydroxyVitamin D versus parathyroid hormone relationship suggest a different reason why older adults require more Vitamin D. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2003 Jan;88(1):185-91.
2. Gorham ED, Garland CF, Garland FC, Grant WB, Mohr SB, Lipkin M, Newmark HL, Giovannucci E, Wei M, Holick MF. Optimal Vitamin D status for colorectal cancer prevention: a quantitative meta analysis. Am J Prev Med. 2007 Mar;32(3):210-6.
3. Vieth R, Bischoff-Ferrari H, Boucher BJ, Dawson-Hughes B, Garland CF, Heaney RP, Holick MF, Hollis BW, Lamberg-Allardt C, McGrath JJ, Norman AW, Scragg R, Whiting SJ, Willett WC, Zittermann A. The urgent need to recommend an intake of Vitamin D that is effective. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. March 2007;85(3):649-650.
4. Hathcock JN, Shao A, Vieth R, Heaney R. Risk assessment for Vitamin D. Am J Clin Nutr. 2007 Jan;85(1):6-18.
5. Vieth R. Critique of the considerations for establishing the tolerable upper intake level for Vitamin D: critical need for revision upwards. J Nutr. 2006 Apr;136(4):1117-22.
6. Wilkins CH, Sheline YI, Roe CM, Birge SJ, Morris JC. Vitamin D deficiency is associated with low mood and worse cognitive performance in older adults. Am J Geriatr Psychiatry. 2006 Dec;14(12):1032-40.
7. Lotfi A, Abdel-Nasser AM, Hamdy A, Omran AA, El-Rehany MA. HypoVitaminosis D in female patients with chronic low back pain. Clin Rheumatol. 2007 Mar 22; [Epub ahead of print].
8. Pérez-López FR. Vitamin D and its implications for musculoskeletal health in women: An update. Maturitas. 2007 Jun 28; [Epub ahead of print].
9. Przybelski RJ, Binkley NC. Is Vitamin D important for preserving cognition? A positive correlation of serum 25-hydroxyVitamin D concentration with cognitive function. Arch Biochem Biophys. 2007 Apr 15;460(2):202-5.
10. Grant WB. An estimate of premature cancer mortality in the U.S. due to inadequate doses of solar ultraviolet-B radiation. Cancer. 2002 Mar 15;94(6):1867-75.
11. Lappe J, Travers-Gustafson D, Davies K, Recker R, Heaney R. Vitamin D and calcium supplementation reduces cancer risk: results of a randomized trial. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. June 8;85(6):1586-1591.
12. Ma Y, et al. Study presented at the 2007 centennial meeting of the American Association for Cancer Research (AACR), April 14 to 18, 2007, Los Angeles.
13. Cannell JJ, Vieth R, Umhau JC, Holick MF, Grant WB, Madronich S, Garland CF, Giovannucci E. Epidemic influenza and Vitamin D. Epidemiol Infect. 2006 Dec;134(6):1129-40.
14. Kurylowicz A, Bednarczuk T, Nauman J. [The influence of Vitamin D deficiency on cancers and autoimmune diseases development.] [Article in Polish] Endokrynol Pol. 2007;58(2):140-152.
15. Bodnar LM, Catov JM, Simhan HN, Holick MF, Powers RW, Roberts JM. Maternal Vitamin D deficiency increases the risk of preeclampsia. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2007 May 29; [Epub ahead of print].
16. Maghbooli Z, Hossein-Nezhad A, Karimi F, Shafaei AR, Larijani B. Correlation between Vitamin D(3) deficiency and insulin resistance in pregnancy. Diabetes Metab Res Rev. 2007 Jul 2; [Epub ahead of print].
17. Parekh N, Chappell RJ, Millen AE, Albert DM, Mares JA. Association Between Vitamin D and Age-Related Macular Degeneration in the Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, 1988 Through 1994. Arch Ophthalmol. May 2007;125: 661-669.
 

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I'm holistic by nature.. I almost became a naturopath.. I also found many positive benefits to melatonin. Vitamin d is an extremely powerful vitamin as well. Like vitamin c and many others. I'm really big on vitamin c power as well studied Dr Linus Pauling pretty deeply. Huge proponent of sunshine and vitamin d.

Thanks for posting the write up for our family here.

You've got the Rayon that is dry looking and goes nearly clear when wet right? Similar to ku. Not bright white.
 

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Yes it looks dry and goes nearly clear when wet, but it is bright white. The contrast in flavor between it and Sally's is pretty phenomenal though. I'll have to try it in several of my other attys to make sure I didn't just get lucky with this one wicking, but I'm fairly optimistic it's the real deal.

One thing I noticed about it right away was that if you get it wet it fluffs itself back out as it dries whereas Sally's will tend to hold the shape it was in, in the wetted state, more. All I know for sure is I'm excited about it and having fun playing with it.
 
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Yes it looks dry and goes nearly clear when wet, but it is bright white. The contrast in flavor between it and Sally's is pretty phenomenal though. I'll have to try it in several of my other attys to make sure I didn't just get lucky with this one wicking, but I'm fairly optimistic it's the real deal.

One thing I noticed about it right away was that if you get it wet it fluffs itself back out as it dries whereas Sally's will tend to hold the shape it was in, in the wetted state, more. All I know for sure is I'm excited about it and having fun playing with it.

Yes, that's why I'm always talking about fluffier, and heavier fiber crimp. The fluffier the more outward pressure from the fibers springiness to stay tight with the coil.

It's most definitely rayon, the only other bottle options are cotton or polyester. You would know if it were cotton and it would melt if polyester.
 
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On another note... I rewicked after 17 days with the billows V2.
It was a quick wick job on vacation. I Vape on average 10-15 Mls a day so 170-240 Mls. I wish I would of taken pictures. The wick was clean where the coil touched. Only dark on one end of one coil. I take it as it was from the tight chimney and back feed. The other 3 wicks were white. The wick was tight in the coil. For me that's good!!! I'm happy with it!!! @IML8 I also use vitamin d and will look for the lean rayon bottle!
 
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