Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! - Pt.2

[kiba]

Crossposting because its important...

OK, Evolv finally published this data publicly now about the spike of formaldehyde and Acetaldehyde spiking like a sky rocket very quickly, double what is found in a cigarette, starting around 470F-480F.

Temperature Control is IMPORTANT folks!

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Well, I'm certainly glad I switched to all dna boards and TC.

Did you start a new thread on this? If not you should, peeps should see this.

 

[mikepetro]

Well, I'm certainly glad I switched to all dna boards and TC.

Did you start a new thread on this? If not you should, peeps should see this.

Good idea, I will do so later today when I have more time.

 

[mikepetro]

Well, I'm certainly glad I switched to all dna boards and TC.

Did you start a new thread on this? If not you should, peeps should see this.

Done....

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...g-at-high-temps-even-in-tootle-puffers.791711

 

[Snookfever]

I did post some shots of about 8 in the past, ill see if i can find them.

Tencel is a top, which means its directly after the spinnerets in long continuous fibers that havent been touched or milled further. The rayon most of us use have been processed in a mill. Cut, crimped, and carded into the fiber matte. Some of this processing does abrade the surface of the fiber microscopically as its running though the mill.

The crimping, or the curves in the individual fibers, is what gives it more bounce, there are different levels of crimp; which sallys seems to have less crimp than say ku so it meshes together more when wet down.

Tencel is a slightly different rayon in general, with a different manufacturing process.


How long are you talking?

Because we go over 300ml with rayon fibers like sallys. Of course correct density of what ever fiber your using is key. I find each type of rayon does need slightly different density.


On the water thing. Ive only done it a few time and myself dont really find it necessary. My waters not that bad but has chlorine, its wasnt bad when i used tap water. Just use britta filtered water, either tap or picture filtered, in a bowl. Thats plenty good. if you find you like to prep it. drip dry and a couple paper towels make short order of it. Lay it on paper towels after a short drip dry and it will be dry in no time.

Hello JeremyR,

I have enjoyed your passion for rayon and am glad I have found your thread on this wick topic. However, I am using a griffin 25 plus which if you don't know has IMO small wicking deck holes that must be covered WELL to stop leaking out the air intake holes. I have some Sallys Rayon and was hoping you might have a technique for this RTA Atty? Do I simply thin tails after the coils down to where I still have enough to fill and block those wick holes? Is this a safe assumption? Do I still pack the coil centers with the tight squeak method / like you shared already? Any tips would be so appreciated. Kendo Gold has been good but not great IMO! I am using a 3 mm dual coil 24G SS (not spaced single wrap) .24 ohms build. Coil length is almost long enough to span the two Kennedy style air intake tubes. It takes 13 wraps (not spaced) or 7 spaced to basically span the entire / cover those two air intake tubes on each side. I mention that because if wick material touches or overhangs the tubes and she can sometimes leak (its tricky to wick right). you may know of a good link / thread on this atty and the use of rayon. I simply have not found it and you have stepped up IMO as the authority on rayon.

Thanks In Advance

Martin / Snookfever

 

[Heartsdelight]

Hello JeremyR,

I have enjoyed your passion for rayon and am glad I have found your thread on this wick topic. However, I am using a griffin 25 plus which if you don't know has IMO small wicking deck holes that must be covered WELL to stop leaking out the air intake holes. I have some Sallys Rayon and was hoping you might have a technique for this RTA Atty? Do I simply thin tails after the coils down to where I still have enough to fill and block those wick holes? Is this a safe assumption? Do I still pack the coil centers with the tight squeak method / like you shared already? Any tips would be so appreciated. Kendo Gold has been good but not great IMO! I am using a 3 mm dual coil 24G SS (not spaced single wrap) .24 ohms build. Coil length is almost long enough to span the two Kennedy style air intake tubes. It takes 13 wraps (not spaced) or 7 spaced to basically span the entire / cover those two air intake tubes on each side. I mention that because if wick material touches or overhangs the tubes and she can sometimes leak (its tricky to wick right). you may know of a good link / thread on this atty and the use of rayon. I simply have not found it and you have stepped up IMO as the authority on rayon.

Thanks In Advance

Martin / Snookfever

I'm not JeremyR but,
Sounds like you're on the right track. You can always tweak it.

 

[Fozzy71]

Hello JeremyR,

I have enjoyed your passion for rayon and am glad I have found your thread on this wick topic. However, I am using a griffin 25 plus which if you don't know has IMO small wicking deck holes that must be covered WELL to stop leaking out the air intake holes. I have some Sallys Rayon and was hoping you might have a technique for this RTA Atty? Do I simply thin tails after the coils down to where I still have enough to fill and block those wick holes? Is this a safe assumption? Do I still pack the coil centers with the tight squeak method / like you shared already? Any tips would be so appreciated. Kendo Gold has been good but not great IMO! I am using a 3 mm dual coil 24G SS (not spaced single wrap) .24 ohms build. Coil length is almost long enough to span the two Kennedy style air intake tubes. It takes 13 wraps (not spaced) or 7 spaced to basically span the entire / cover those two air intake tubes on each side. I mention that because if wick material touches or overhangs the tubes and she can sometimes leak (its tricky to wick right). you may know of a good link / thread on this atty and the use of rayon. I simply have not found it and you have stepped up IMO as the authority on rayon.

Thanks In Advance

Martin / Snookfever

I'm not JeremyR but,
Sounds like you're on the right track. You can always tweak it.

Agreed. I don't have that tank but from what I have read it is less prone to leaking compared to the orig Griff 25 (I have 2, used one but the leaking issue made me shelve it for later) so your plan sounds like it should work. Let us know how you get on with it as it is on my list to buy some day.

 

[Nick N]

A question about wicking the Griffin RTA • r/electronic_cigarette

Or

How To Wick The Griffin 25 RTA PROPERLY |

I almost use the exact same setup as you. Single 3mm 24ga SS spaced coil (0.20 ohms) Sally's. Try the methods I linked to above. Works great in mine.

 

[kross8]

Hello JeremyR,

I have enjoyed your passion for rayon and am glad I have found your thread on this wick topic. However, I am using a griffin 25 plus which if you don't know has IMO small wicking deck holes that must be covered WELL to stop leaking out the air intake holes. I have some Sallys Rayon and was hoping you might have a technique for this RTA Atty? Do I simply thin tails after the coils down to where I still have enough to fill and block those wick holes? Is this a safe assumption? Do I still pack the coil centers with the tight squeak method / like you shared already? Any tips would be so appreciated. Kendo Gold has been good but not great IMO! I am using a 3 mm dual coil 24G SS (not spaced single wrap) .24 ohms build. Coil length is almost long enough to span the two Kennedy style air intake tubes. It takes 13 wraps (not spaced) or 7 spaced to basically span the entire / cover those two air intake tubes on each side. I mention that because if wick material touches or overhangs the tubes and she can sometimes leak (its tricky to wick right). you may know of a good link / thread on this atty and the use of rayon. I simply have not found it and you have stepped up IMO as the authority on rayon.

Thanks In Advance

Martin / Snookfever

i have the G22 version,, i use thin tails,, but i make sure they are 'fanned out' as much as possible across the area behind the ring. i tend to run my tails to just below the ring. think of it as a really thin curtain to keep the rain from hitting you physically. it allows for good flow without the leaking. (ps, if the fan is a tad longer than the 'just below the ring'.. i dont worry too much about it. worst case on a not so good wick job,, is i may have to keep the juice holes closed for a few toots then slowly reopen the juice holes)

 

[Heartsdelight]

A question about wicking the Griffin RTA • r/electronic_cigarette

Or

How To Wick The Griffin 25 RTA PROPERLY |

I almost use the exact same setup as you. Single 3mm 24ga SS spaced coil (0.20 ohms) Sally's. Try the methods I linked to above. Works great in mine.

Nice video!

 

[JeremyR]

Hello JeremyR,

I have enjoyed your passion for rayon and am glad I have found your thread on this wick topic. However, I am using a griffin 25 plus which if you don't know has IMO small wicking deck holes that must be covered WELL to stop leaking out the air intake holes. I have some Sallys Rayon and was hoping you might have a technique for this RTA Atty? Do I simply thin tails after the coils down to where I still have enough to fill and block those wick holes? Is this a safe assumption? Do I still pack the coil centers with the tight squeak method / like you shared already? Any tips would be so appreciated. Kendo Gold has been good but not great IMO! I am using a 3 mm dual coil 24G SS (not spaced single wrap) .24 ohms build. Coil length is almost long enough to span the two Kennedy style air intake tubes. It takes 13 wraps (not spaced) or 7 spaced to basically span the entire / cover those two air intake tubes on each side. I mention that because if wick material touches or overhangs the tubes and she can sometimes leak (its tricky to wick right). you may know of a good link / thread on this atty and the use of rayon. I simply have not found it and you have stepped up IMO as the authority on rayon.

Thanks In Advance

Martin / Snookfever

Hey Martin, thanks!

Yeah should be no problem.

Your right you want to keep with wick away from the air tubes or juice will wick down them. I don't know this atty but none the less that's never stopped me before. (pics are helpful)

Basically get the wick you need over the holes to prevent leaking, the rest of your wick trim back to fit the deck and chamber. Should be good to go. Adjust as necessary for more blockage or more flow.

Don't worry if your using nearly the whole wick density they are so short it doesn't matter. There will still be a little to trim I'd bet you don't want to just fold rayon make sure it trimmed the right length and lays nice.

Lets try to visualize it your gonna have the full wick extending to the walls of the chamber falling the deck, but you won't have all that down in the holes. It's a matter of the length being cut first for the depth in the holes, after you get what you need in there then trim the rest to fit in the chamber.

After you wet the wicks down you can go back in under the coil with a needle or something and push the wicks back away from the air tube. If you do this as they first wet down the wicks tend to stick that way out away from the tube.

Good luck. Sounds like there are a few methods that are working for others. I also use a thin fanned out wick a lot of times like Kross was talking about. Have that style wick in the Taifun gt3 right now.

 

[JeremyR]

Just wanted to say thanks for this thread!
Read a lot of it & have finally had the chance to get hold of & try out Rayon.
I only vape NETs....& inadequately-filtered diy ones! I'm now pretty much settled with mesh wicks in vert. coils; in small rdas ('Little 16' ftw!!) & squonking.
However.....Rayon has enabled Me to take My old Magma & (newer) Avocado out of retirement! Deffo gives Me more use-time than cotton ever did (cotton was basically just trying to filter My NETs for Me!!!).
I now just have to hold back the 'shiney-itus' now that I'm not restricted to mesh/vertical coil-friendly atties!!!

Glad to hear that!!!

Welcome to the thread and thanks for sharing your story!

I'm consistently surprised how well rayon does on vertical coils and Genesis setups if you trim and thin right. Wicked one for my buddy he's been using it for like 4 months and it still looked new when I saw it the other day!

 

[JeremyR]

Got a convert! Sent a fellow vaper who I follow on G+ about 4', now he's trying to find a Sally's near him


-Kingboomer

 

[JeremyR]

@JeremyR , who would have thought.......

I almost didn't believe you when you spoke of the major longevity of wicks with rayon. Getting 100ml thru a wick seemed outrageous to me, and perhaps a slight stretching of the truth.

HOWEVER...........

This (to me) is unreal, unbelievable even!!!! I'm on FIFTY-THREE fills, and no sign of taste loss or degradation!!!!!!



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Kat my darling,

That is amazing 53refills and still going strong!

Can you believe it? Can anyone believe it till it happens to them?

What tank were you using dear? Sounds like your probably in the 200ml club at least.

Lol, yeah I was a real shock jock in the early days of rayon. Lol jk, it was all true.

Rayon has done it again, amazing testimony of the true appeal it offers.

 

[Fozzy71]

Kat my darling,

That is amazing 53refills and going. Can you believe it? Can anyone believe it till it happens to them?

Lol, yeah I was a real shock jock in the early days of rayon. Lol jk, it was all true.

Rayon has done it again, amazing testimony of the true appeal it offers.

This is after 120ml of DIY juice (no sweetener). I only opened it up because I was changing juice. I probably could have skipped the re-wick and just started vaping the new 120ml bottle of juice and re-wicked when it was gone:

 

[ChelsB]

@JeremyR , who would have thought.......

I almost didn't believe you when you spoke of the major longevity of wicks with rayon. Getting 100ml thru a wick seemed outrageous to me, and perhaps a slight stretching of the truth.

HOWEVER...........

This (to me) is unreal, unbelievable even!!!! I'm on FIFTY-THREE fills, and no sign of taste loss or degradation!!!!!!



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What kind of juice lasts that long? I want some!


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[JeremyR]

Anything that's not too sweet or Carmel or net. I vape Hangsen Arabic tobacco, it's pretty strong, with some sweetness. Amber in color. Regularly go 300ml

 

[Katdarling]

Kat my darling,

That is amazing 53refills and still going strong!

Can you believe it? Can anyone believe it till it happens to them?

What tank were you using dear? Sounds like your probably in the 200ml club at least.

Lol, yeah I was a real shock jock in the early days of rayon. Lol jk, it was all true.

Rayon has done it again, amazing testimony of the true appeal it offers.

Actually, wait. First, thank you, Jeremy of Rayon Fame.

I'm not sure my experience is anywhere NEAR yours. My tank is the mid-sized Toyota (for those who cannot decipher KatSpeak, that's the SXK Corolla with the middle sized tank insert). I believe it's about 2ml. So, one might say I'm in the 100's now, but 200-300??? I don't think that's going to be a pastability for me.

We shall see tho! (I'm on Fill #55 now)

What kind of juice lasts that long? I want some!



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It's Sinn Rollz, by NLV. My ADV EDV!

 

[markfm]

I can now be the central New York supplier of cellucotton. I just picked up the 3-pound box. Oh my God that's a huge amount:

 

[Heartsdelight]

I can now be the central New York supplier of cellucotton. I just picked up the 3-pound box. Oh my God that's a huge amount:

 

[nocigsnomore]