Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[RadicalM1nd]

So I've been having this problem lately. After only one tank in my Fogger V4.3, the wicks look like this:

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As you can see on the left side, the wicks are not only super dark, but they also fall apart when i pull them out, so there must be some problem. Using a 60% VG blend without nicotine. The juice is very clear and bright, so that shouldn't be the problem. Am I using too much?

Just rewicked and vaped some more, problem still persists. Should i try using more/less rayon? :c Or maybe just build some new coils?

 

[brianc11111]

25 watts isn't anywhere near 75 watts in heat generation, the difference is when the coil is wet not dry. I have vaped a 32g 1.2 ohm parallel coil @ 6v (stacked 350's in my VAMO) and I have vaped a triple twisted 32g parallel coil @ 0.3 ohms on my mech...nowhere near the same in heat generation, the 0.3 ohm build is much much hotter.

Cotton takes the heat just fine, it just has to be juicier than rayon to do so.

i STRONGLY disagree with your statement about cotton is juicier.......

ive vaped rayon in every sub-ohm level you want to talk about....... rayon is hands down more jucier

either you havnt used rayon ......
havnt wicked it correctly.....
dont know what you are talking about....
or are just trolling for confrontation......

rayon is more jucier......
done deal......
end of story.....
this argument cannot be broken

 

[Flavored]

Simple fact of the matter is resistance is heat. If you dead short it with copper it's not going to be as hot or we wouldn't use resistance wire. Resistance = creates heat. That's why you can put 240v through a copper no resistance wire and it doesn't heat.

Electrical resistance and conductance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't doubt its a warmer larger vape. You've got a much larger mass of wire. You've got a lot more mass that's why it's so much hotter in the vape. But I doubt the actual wire temperature is hotter. But I guarentee it doesn't heat as fast. Try a 26g .3 in -20 below zero. Takes forever to heat that mass of wire from zero.

Resistance wire is a type of high resistance electrical wire. The wire resists the flow of electricity, and converts the electrical energy into heat.[1]

Resistance converts power to heat.
That's why you have to put 75w through it if you put 15w though it you would get little to no heat at all.

But of course 75w works great, but on the other side some poeple get burning with cotton at 9w while other can go 60w.. It's all about technique

Sounds just a tad off, Jeremy. Watts is watts and, specifically a measure of heat. Wires are rated to carry amps, not volts, bigger wire, more amps without going *poof *. We surely want a higher resistivity than copper as well as durability.

Unless I misunderstood.

 

[Flavored]

i STRONGLY disagree with your statement about cotton is juicier.......

ive vaped rayon in every sub-ohm level you want to talk about....... rayon is hands down more jucier

either you havnt used rayon ......
havnt wicked it correctly.....
dont know what you are talking about....
or are just trolling for confrontation......

rayon is more jucier......
done deal......
end of story.....
this argument cannot be broken

Don't think he said it was juicer, just that it needed to be in order not to burn.

 

[f1vefour]

i STRONGLY disagree with your statement about cotton is juicier.......

ive vaped rayon in every sub-ohm level you want to talk about....... rayon is hands down more jucier

either you havnt used rayon ......
havnt wicked it correctly.....
dont know what you are talking about....
or are just trolling for confrontation......

rayon is more jucier......
done deal......
end of story.....
this argument cannot be broken

I have rayon in both a dripper and a R91......
I wicked it just fine......
You're the expert on my builds I suppose......
You singled out my thoughts and confronted me, who's trolling really......

Without your definition of "juicier" then how could it be end of story.

I hate when people think they are experts on something that an expertise couldn't exist. I guess the countless thousands of people who sub-ohm with cotton don't know what they're doing........

 

[f1vefour]

This is supposed to be a discussion about rayon wicks, I was simply putting my observations out there. I certainly wasn't looking for confrontation, just because someone disagrees with someone else it doesn't mean they are being confrontational.

 

[awsum140]

Just rewicked and vaped some more, problem still persists. Should i try using more/less rayon? :c Or maybe just build some new coils?

Just an observation and not meant as being critical but I suspect that the two coils are not exactly the same. There is either a difference in resistance, power output, or the amount of rayon in them. My own experiences with Kanthal has been that its resistance, per unit length, can vary slightly throughout the roll of wire which can make winding by the number of turns produce slightly different results from coil to coil. We all, generally assume the wire to be consistent and check them using ohm meters that only measure to the tenth of an ohm. In low/sub ohm situations those variations become much more significant. Now I've got myself thinking about a more accurate meter, one that goes down to 1/100th or 1/1000th of an ohm in the low resistance ranges.

If there is a difference in the amount of rayon, that can also be hard to detect given the "fluffiness" of rayon.

 

[Sploosh]

Should we start a separate thread for genesis RBAs and CC? A place for tips and tricks and builds?

Honestly, I don't see a benefit to doing so. I don't do anything drastically different in my KFL+, Magma, or Kraken with rayon than I did with cotton- with the exception of using a little bit more.

I think it would be best to keep it all here.

 

[PaulBHC]

Yeah it was just one of those thoughts. Just didn't want to clutter the rayon discussion with gennie talk.

 

[JeremyR]

It's all good Paulbhc, anything using rayon is a go. Just make sure you include in each post that its a genny / genisis, & what kind. Then all they have to do is put genny in the search thread and they will get the whole list of posts.

 

[BNEAT]

Definitely keep it in one place!

BTW, my Geni's are doing GREAT with Rayon! Pulling a snug wick through the coils and into the tank area tapers the wick just perfectly.

 

[BNEAT]

It's all good Brian, anything using rayon is a go. Just make sure you include in each post that its a genny / genisis, & what kind. Then all they have to do is put genny in the search thread and they will get the whole list of posts.

OK, so we'll have to agreee on the correct spelling for "Genny"! LOL

 

[JeremyR]

This is supposed to be a discussion about rayon wicks, I was simply putting my observations out there. I certainly wasn't looking for confrontation, just because someone disagrees with someone else it doesn't mean they are being confrontational.

Was I being confrontational.. Sorry, didn't mean to if it came off that way. I was just putting my thoughts out there as well. Posts were slow moving this morning... Thought I'd throw that out there see what the response was. I don't have a .3 mech.. I tend to think the brighter it glows the hotter it is. But yeah this isn't a debate on that. The original post was simply me showing what I had to show for heat, I don't have a .3 on a mech. So I posted what I do have, and if the air isn't wide open it'll burn the heck out of a lip. Since the original question was concerning if it can take the heat. I would love to see a .3 ohm dry burn at les than a second. But thinking of it due to the mass it may not glow as much as the same temp.

In the mean time lets play nice here.

I took time to make a video of wicking with rayon and nobody said a word....

 

[JeremyR]

Just rewicked and vaped some more, problem still persists. Should i try using more/less rayon? :c Or maybe just build some new coils?

Please see the post I made with the video. Does your density look like that after an hour to 8?

 

[f1vefour]

I wasn't talking about you Jeremy, your observations are all relevant and on topic.

I also want to keep on topic just didn't appreciate the tone of the comment I was replying to (lying, trolling...etc).

On Topic:

I have noticed that rayon does cause juice to taste sweeter, I have vaped 200ml of the same strawberries and cream juice in various devices wicked with cotton and I instantly noticed the increase in sweetness on the R91. When I attempted to drip the same juice it was too sweet for my preferences.

Nic hit seems about the same but I likely don't chain vape enough to tell.

Rayon is a winner in most every aspect to me. It doesn't hold as much juice but at the same time it lets go of all the juice in the wick, cotton doesn't so really it's about the same in this aspect. Like I previously said, cotton holds more juice which is both bad and good.

 

[f1vefour]

Your video was a good demonstration of how much wicking material you use Jeremy, a lot more when compared to a typical cotton build.

 

[JeremyR]

Here's a source for rayon medical balls. Should be a good quality higher grade rayon if anyone wants to try. Should be very clean. 12.95 + shipping. If you've got a buddy near by you could split it.

TIDI Cotton and Rayon Balls - MedSupplier.com

I may pull this link later so it doesn't sell out..

 

[JeremyR]

Your video was a good demonstration of how much wicking material you use Jeremy, a lot more when compared to a typical cotton build.

Thanks 54... sorry some take things the wrong way sometimes or may have a bad day. I know I've done it before..

Really this is in response to the sweetness that has been brought up. You are using Sally right? Well after two weeks of our trials we have found that that is the case. It is not a product of The rayon itself really, however it does intensify flavors with saturation. I believe at this time that It's due to Sally's being lower quality and not washed as much as the balls and pharma coil. The residual salt that can still be on it can make the sweet juices sweeter. You could try boiling/ washing some to rinse the rest of the salts off. This is what I think at this time but maybe after a month well have a more definitive answer. Also one reason I'm recommending the link above or equivalent at this time..

Thanks feed back it always welcome and appreciated.

 

[PaulBHC]

Coiled and wicked two vivi nova clones. Top coil, 2.5ml tank. Previous attempts had failed, possibly because I was new at rebuilding. I could not get a wick to work. Either flood or drought. I build one with 30ga, 7 wraps, 1.6Ω and the other with 32ga, 7 wraps, 2.7Ω. The lower one works great. The higher one flooded after a few hits.

 

[brianc11111]

54 ....ive scoured the net for an hour and have looked at least 50-60 websites and there is not a shred of evidence that
cotton is more absorbent than rayon.

in fact, the opposite is true....overwhelming evidence that rayon is more absorbent than cotton

argument can not be broken


sorry if you got butthurt.....