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[weinner]

So what I did last was cut a six inch piece off, so it was something like 6"x2-3".

1)Folded/rolled it up into a ball and then rubbed it between my palms so it knotted up.

2)Then slightly pulled it apart so it created a somewhat knotted flat sheet 5"x3"

3) Folded/rolled it up so it kept most of it's length, then rolled it between my palms but keeping it's length.

4)repeated 2&3 several times until I had a fairly dense piece off knotted tencil representing exactly like a dreadlock about 5" long

5) some spots in the middle of the deadlock wasn't as knotted as other spots. So I just took the deadlock and rubbed those spots against my Palm to to tighten them up just as you would with a deadlock.

6) to make wicks I cut a piece off the dreadlock about 1" long and just manipulated it to the desired diameter to make a few wicks.

 

[JeremyR]

Kinda soon to say but so far not as good for me as the rayon. (The standard I compare against..) the tencel takes a different density compared to rayon because its not as fine or factory made into the fluffy type. I've had to rewick with less of the chop process tencel because I started with too much...

I could taste the tencel that's why I knew I had too much.. It really just tastes like water on cotton when you taste it. But for sure process can make the tencel more veristile, well see. Will report back later today when I put more use to it.

Let us know how the dreadlock tencel works out..

 

[dogcat]

how stiff did it come out? can you wrap it around a coil without a lot of resistance?

 

[dogcat]

purchases this weekend so far : tencel top, tencel nepp, and rayon balls unsterilized. What else you guys got for me LOL

 

[JeremyR]

Cool dogcat.... I think you'll find the rayon to be the best.. It's my go to on the vertical build ..

You did see this post right.. We kinda started the vertical revolution.. If you ck the dates this was 2 weeks before ripper posted his infamous "chimney" build that now has 250,000 views.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...icro-coil-oddy-kayfun-russian-ithaca-ect.html


Yes the chopped tencel is very workable, but a little bit heavier fibers than the balls should be..

 

[dogcat]

Cool dogcat.... I think you'll find the rayon to be the best.. It's my go to on the vertical build ..

You did see this post right.. We kinda started the vertical revolution.. If you ck the dates this was 2 weeks before ripper posted his infamous "chimney" build that now has 250,000 views.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...icro-coil-oddy-kayfun-russian-ithaca-ect.html


Yes the chopped tencel is very workable, but a little bit heavier fibers than the balls should be..

can you wrap the chopped tencel around a coil without a lot of residence, or is it similar to the ramie when wet? I found for wrapping purposes, I had to use very small/thin quantities of the ramie,and then do a cotton secure on the outside. I guess that would be a ramie core build. Either way, I will be well supplied with a good assortment of fibres, including the ramie. I'm currently waiting on a rose v2, but been experimenting with a kayfun light plus. I may try the ramie in a prometey clone I have. Not my favourite device, but has it's own uses. I did see the vcore thread, was going over it all last night and today. I've been using a double vertical on the kayfun but I wasn't using Dice's snakeyes technique of just one wire for both coils. I was using two separate coils,and will try just one tonight. By the way, are you offering a money back guarantee for all the materials we buy from reading this thread if not satisfied? I thought i read that somewhere LOL

 

[JeremyR]

Yeas it comes together like cotton as you can see the fluffiness that's added to the tencel in the pics above.
You'll like the rayon better and you can just keep packin it in to the chamber to hold it against the coil.

Nope order at your own risk.. I only have the bottle rayon and now tencel, along With hemp, ramie, cotton and silica.

Only one I recommend and guarentee at this time is rayon like in the bottles. The balls should be like it, but we don't know 100% yet.

 

[caged]

So Amy from Mielke's Fiber Arts e-mailed me the other day explaining they had an unexpected run on Tencel and asked me what I wanted to wait for it to come back in stock. After explaining why they had a sudden surge and showing them this thread, she offered to split up my 8 ounce order of Tencel and send me 4 ounces of Tencel and 1 ounce of each of viscose, bamboo rayon, corn rayon, and carbonize bamboo rayon to try. I think I will take her up on this offer but at the same time, I was wondering what others thought about these other fibers. She did not recommend using normal Rayon for this purpose due to the harsh chemicals it's made with.

Also, in regards to the the fiber type from the pictures posted a few pages back, this is what she had to say:

The tencel in those pictures looks like uncombed fiber. When the fiber is made, it's just cut into short pieces, and made into bales. Then those fiber are taken and either carded or combed, basically brushing all the fibers into the same direction, and alining them to get them ready for spinning. Taking the combed roving we have, and pulling off fiber then mussing it up and rolling into the wick form should give you the same look/effectiveness.

I may work with databases all day and I'm starting to build my own atties, but I'm not 100% clear on this. Perhaps it will become clearer when I get my order.

 

[JeremyR]

Thanks for speaking with the vendor. Unexpected run on it huh, I wonder how much they had.

I thought the carbonized bamboo looked very interesting for sure.. Not sure if its viscose or bast fiber.. I almost wanted to order it but than went with tencel.

the other fibers listed are definately made with the same chemicals just a different cellulose starter crop. Anything called rayon or viscose is made just like rayon. Tencel uses an environmentally friendly process. The corn says it will melt at 300 so I wouldn't use that, but since it's wet who knows it may work.? But melting probably Not good.

The end product content is all that matters. We're not manufacturing it.

Questions-

Which Pics and fiber was she referring to? The tencel top or the rayon I have?
What combed roving is she referring to?
It's my understanding that tencel is made with a viscose process and a continuous strand is formed out of the shower head.. How else would they cut it and than make it back into a continuos fiber strand like the top?

 

[caged]

The images on page 20.

I also wonder if different types of cotton would wick (and release) better than others.

 

[caged]

I am highly intrigued by soysilk as well. Same absorption as cotton with better moisture transmission.

 

[dogcat]

Ok , I have now just added bamboo rayon, corn rayon, carbonize bamboo rayon ,and soy silk to my weekend purchases. Is that all you guys got? Keep em coming. Kidding, I think I have enough including the rayon balls. If I'm not a happy camper with any of these, then I never will be. As for vertical builds, (the other thread is less active lol) , I'm having a bit of flooding issues. One person suggested keeping the coils as close to the air intake hole as possible, but I found I got terrible vape production this way on the kayfun light. I really do have to raise them up some for a satisfying vape. Then there is the question of covering this area with material to avoid flooding, which I Have done,and still have gurgles,and juice coming out of the side air hole Frack!. This was less of a problem with all cotton build. I think I will go back to all cotton until the new fibres come in

 

[egrets]

Here's some pics of the flash e-vapor wicked with the incredible rayon. (Bottle) notice with this its really fluffy and has big shoulders, but once wet and the air is forced out by liquid the wick shrinks as the fibers come together. I could have even used more rayon without a problem. You can kinda control the vape by how much rayon you use.. Some builds that collapsing can be a problem use even more..

If you get a dry hit check the coil as you'll find the rayon it too loose and not touching the coil fully... Use more.

Thanks for the tip of using more. I'm still working with the Tencel top. I've used water to make the fiber more uniform then use a 28g Kanthal to thread the fiber inside a 1.5mm 1ohm coil. I can't thread enough fiber all at once to cover the entire coil diameter, so end up threading 3 times to get more fiber inside. It works great finally. Good taste, vapor, 2 vape per squonk on my RM2 which is good for me. I'm happy with this for now. Will see how it goes later. Don't want to waste the big bag of Tencel top

Thanks!

 

[egrets]

Btw I take long inhale so maybe that's affecting how many vape I get per squonk.

 

[JeremyR]

Try using longer tails to hold more juice egrets. A squonk is a squonk, but with longer tails it could hold more.

 

[JeremyR]

I am highly intrigued by soysilk as well. Same absorption as cotton with better moisture transmission.

Soy silk is a protien fiber. Wool is a protien fiber. Not sure soy or corn will be good. I'm thinking it will definately have a taste to it. But you need know...

Rayon is the purest wick because it's basically a nano product. It's so pure because it's created at the atom level. The product is group of atoms. Created in a lab if you may say.

 

[dogcat]

Thanks for the tip of using more. I'm still working with the Tencel top. I've used water to make the fiber more uniform then use a 28g Kanthal to thread the fiber inside a 1.5mm 1ohm coil. I can't thread enough fiber all at once to cover the entire coil diameter, so end up threading 3 times to get more fiber inside. It works great finally. Good taste, vapor, 2 vape per squonk on my RM2 which is good for me. I'm happy with this for now. Will see how it goes later. Don't want to waste the big bag of Tencel top

Thanks!

worse case scenario you can re-package the tencel top in little gram size ziploc bags and sell them at the next vape meet. Maybe carry an assortment of fibres; tencel top, tencel nepps, rayon, ramie top. And then as people go to the bathroom you can give them that knowing look and say "you guys need anything?"

 

[dogcat]

Try using longer tails to hold more juice egrets. A squonk is a squonk, but with longer tails it could hold more.

noob here, what's a squonk?

 

[JeremyR]

Ok , I have now just added bamboo rayon, corn rayon, carbonize bamboo rayon ,and soy silk to my weekend purchases. Is that all you guys got? Keep em coming. Kidding, I think I have enough including the rayon balls. If I'm not a happy camper with any of these, then I never will be. As for vertical builds, (the other thread is less active lol) , I'm having a bit of flooding issues. One person suggested keeping the coils as close to the air intake hole as possible, but I found I got terrible vape production this way on the kayfun light. I really do have to raise them up some for a satisfying vape. Then there is the question of covering this area with material to avoid flooding, which I Have done,and still have gurgles,and juice coming out of the side air hole Frack!. This was less of a problem with all cotton build. I think I will go back to all cotton until the new fibres come in

No I leave mine a good distance away. The other thread is not dead only a couple weeks since last post, post over there we can help you. A recent post there was a good external wicking on a Kayfun.

 

[caged]

Soy silk is a protien fiber. Wool is a protien fiber. Not sure soy or corn will be good. I'm thinking it will definately have a taste to it. But you need know...

Rayon is the purest wick because it's basically a nano product. It's so pure because it's created at the atom level. The product is group of atoms. Created in a lab if you may say.

I am not educated on the different types of fiber, but soysilk is plant based. How is that different from cotton besides being from a different plant?