Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[awsum140]

What's this about alternating batteries? Sounds like rubbish to me. The laptop, on which I am typing this has 6 18650 batteries in it, and they do not alternate. My hybrid car, with several hundred pounds of lithium batteries (might even be 18650s) does not alternate the cells.

I can see not combining an old cell with a new cell, as that is even a long known no-no even with alkaline batteries. But rotating is just a neurosis, unless you can back that up.

In stacked batteries, what goes through one, goes through the other. One does not work harder than the other because it is in front or on top. Electricity does not have a concept of front or top.

What you say is true, but what you don't say is important. What goes through one battery in a stack does go through the other. The problem becomes that they do not "age" at the same rates simply because no two are exactly identical. None of us buy thousands of batteries then spend time and effort, using test equipment costing thousands of dollars, to make sure we have pairs that are, truly, matched pairs. Alternating batteries can help mitigate that problem.

Another point is that the batteries in your laptop are not IMR and have some rather extensive, by comparison, internal and external protection added to them. We've all see the photos of what can happen to a laptop when those protections fail, so taking the added precaution of alternating locations when stacking seems only prudent. There are also photos of "electric" cars going up in smoke for no apparent reason and, again, some heavy protection schemes are used in them as well.

We are all free to make our own assessments and I am not an expert on batteries. Check with BadAttitude if you want true expert advice regarding stacking batteries.

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[JeremyR]

Jeremy,

That book on Rayon that you have did you buy it or find it someplace like the library? When I looked it up I didn't know if they wanted me to pay for the book or payoff the Nation Debt.

I didn't buy it...

I've been able to read some of the books indefinitely on google books. The other Ones specific search terms get you to different areas of them for reading in google viewer. Use Google books then search terms.

The books are pretty scientific works and some will not understand what their reading.

 

[JeremyR]

Would love to try some of this stuff. Been pretty happy with my readyxwick, but it just doesn't work well in some tanks, like my Kayfun. So without having to read through 377 pages what is the consensus on the best place to get some of this stuff? Is it all gigantic bulk bags?

Cheapest way to try it with out ordering is the spring valley meletonin 1mg bottle from walmart. Nice rayon filler in there; Last we knew.

 

[jakematic]

I believe Pbusardo is suppose to be reviewing Rayon, Japanese Cotton and several other wicking material this week to see which is the best.

Just stumbled across this Taste Your Juice | AND SO IT BEGINS…

Looking forward to his video on it.

 

[slavkov]

Gorman, it's great! No chemical taste. Only the juice flavor.
In my opinion, my custards, taste better with cotton.
But the tobacco flavors are better with the viscose. Don't know if this makes any sense

 

[HolmanGT]

Gorman, it's great! No chemical taste. Only the juice flavor.
In my opinion, my custards, taste better with cotton.
But the tobacco flavors are better with the viscose. Don't know if this makes any sense

slavkov,

Can you explain what you mean by "better"?

You know the wine tasting thing i.e. muted sweetness, brighter taste, too sweet... etc.

 

[slavkov]

HolmaGT, please don't make me do that
I've noticed, i underline I, that i loose some of the sweetness of my juices with viscose. This is my personal experience.
Maybe I'm using less/more viscose than I have to.
Will try different combos and report back.
Thank you guys with all of my heart!

 

[abpigdoc]

You know what's what a good day is? TWO new attys in the mail! I got a Crown dripper to go on my King clone, and the Erlkoenigin tank, a KF tweak. The Crown did well with the Tencel fiber, DC at 0.6, very tasty! Then I did the tank with a 1.2 Rene 41 (2.2mm). It's seriously more delicate to wick than my Rose or others, and the Tencel was just too stiff to lay right with enough volume in the coil, and keep the wick channels light and fluffy. Strangely ranged from dry to seemingly wet hits. So, I used the CC I have, and it was then perfect. I'm now liking this new tank, as flavorful as the Rose, but not as warm a hit--plenty of nic with the CC of course! Nice feature of filling from the top 6ml, which is a plus when you don't re-coil or re-wick too often.
Hi JR, you've changed the world for the better!

 

[HolmanGT]

HolmaGT, please don't make me do that
I've noticed, i underline I, that i loose some of the sweetness of my juices with viscose. This is my personal experience.
Maybe I'm using less/more viscose than I have to.
Will try different combos and report back.
Thank you guys with all of my heart!

I understand completely. if you had asked me to do the same thing I probably wouldn't be able to do it either.

The only thing I can say for sure about the rayon is I go thru more juice for equal times of vaping. Most if not all my juices taste better (there is that word again only from me).

I have been using my dripper and kayfun mostly but last night I fired up my AGA-T with rayon (genesis mode) and the taste is about the same as with the other attys with the exception that I am getting more of a Nic buzz, and I seem to be able to increase the wattage to levels that I don't normally use and absolutely no burnt taste.

At about 12 to 13 watts with the AGA-T the juice consumption is high the taste is great I can chain vape without any dry hits and I am starting to enjoy the Nic Buzz.

I have never had a genny wick that preformed like this rayon including my XC-116 which until now I thought was the absolute best genny wick EVER. (is genny a real work ???).

 

[ChrisML]

I can not seem to get this rayon wicking correctly. I think the taste is much better but I can't seem to go over 12 watts without a semi dry hit. I have tried using a little more to a lot more of the material with moderate success. Every time I re-wick it has spots you can visibly see that aren't getting juice to them. I was given a sample by my local vape shop. I do not know what brand it was. Suggestions?

 

[atroph]

I can not seem to get this rayon wicking correctly. I think the taste is much better but I can't seem to go over 12 watts without a semi dry hit. I have tried using a little more to a lot more of the material with moderate success. Every time I re-wick it has spots you can visibly see that aren't getting juice to them. I was given a sample by my local vape shop. I do not know what brand it was. Suggestions?

It really depends on your rig. What are you using?

For instance on a stock evod a tightly wrapped coil is too much at 8w. Now loosen that coil up it works just fine. Again with the tight coil but with the air hole twice the size it works well at 8w and beyond.

Watts aren't the king here. It is a game of sorts to max juice flow to the coil while keeping it cool enough so that you don't scorch the wick. I'd say that you probably don't have a flow issue, but have more of an airflow issue.

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[ChrisML]

It really depends on your rig. What are you using?

For instance on a stock evod a tightly wrapped coil is too much at 8w. Now loosen that coil up it works just fine. Again with the tight coil but with the air hole twice the size it works well at 8w and beyond.

Watts aren't the king here. It is a game of sorts to max juice flow to the coil while keeping it cool enough so that you don't scorch the wick. I'd say that you probably don't have a flow issue, but have more of an airflow issue.

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Sorry I should have posted what I was using. I'm running a micro coil at 1.4 ohms on a Ehpro kayfun lite + v2. So it has a stock 2mm air hole opened all the way up. It's just weird I can crank up the watts on my organic cotton no problem. Is there a good tutorial of some sort I can follow? Thanks for the help.

 

[BigLungs]

Sorry I should have posted what I was using. I'm running a micro coil at 1.4 ohms on a Ehpro kayfun lite + v2. So it has a stock 2mm air hole opened all the way up. It's just weird I can crank up the watts on my organic cotton no problem. Is there a good tutorial of some sort I can follow? Thanks for the help.

I think you still haven't got the right amount of wick figured out yet. I am running a 0.5 ohm micro coil pushing 32 watts(that is taking voltage drop into account so it is a true 32 watts) and I have no burning whatsoever, and I am only running a 1.5mm air hole.

JeremyR has posted multiple videos in this thread detailing how to use Rayon. Search for them and follow them to a T and you will be in vaping heaven in no time.

 

[WideO]

When full mine won't leak, I bet those verts leak bad.

Wanted to come back to this: yes, the leaking was quite bad and now nearly absent. I do have the original V2, but because the top cap fit on way too tight, I had removed the upper o-ring for easier access. It does the trick, but obviously made the leaking even worse. With the horizontal setup (and still only one o-ring) I have no leaking problems at all.

Back to rayon: I had to try the stacked 18350 in my zmax, and it works quite well. Took a fresh Nautilus coil, gutted it and replaced it with a 1.8 ohm microcoil with rayon. Vapes like a dream around 5 volts and biggest airhole, and even after quite some testing and chain vaping, the battery still reads 8.0v, which is rather surprising.

 

[burnie71]

My gifted Rayon from the US arrived today thank you RS, I re-wicked Kayfun and it worked for me first time. Many thanks to JR and others of the forum for the hints, tips and good information on this amazing wicking material....it is a winner for sure! and nic level of my juices will have to drop as well.
Plan on re-wicking everything I have asap probably will hit the Fogger 4.1 next.

Edit: should have mentioned that I wet the wick with juice and sort of kneaded it to suit wick hole nice and snug, right or wrong its working very well with tails just laying on deck away from channels.

 

[JeremyR]

I can not seem to get this rayon wicking correctly. I think the taste is much better but I can't seem to go over 12 watts without a semi dry hit. I have tried using a little more to a lot more of the material with moderate success. Every time I re-wick it has spots you can visibly see that aren't getting juice to them. I was given a sample by my local vape shop. I do not know what brand it was. Suggestions?

In a kfl kayfun light

What are you seeing as no juice to spots, since you'll only see it when you pull the chamber. Dry wick or coil gunk?

Pics of your wick would be great. It's different than working with cotton.

In a kfl I would go with a slightly snug uncompressed/unrolled rayon wick. With fluff at both sides I would trim at a steep angle to the deck with like a. 1/4 inch full size out of the coil. Set scissors against side of base, angle to about a 1/4 inch or so from coil and cut. Then wet and gently get the thin tips of the wick on the deck.

I find thinned tails works much better. Since the wick works more on an ebb and flow it seems it creates a better suction This way it seems.

Kfl kayfun kfl

 

[Uncletattoowhat]

Just wanted to post an update here. I was exclusively using the cellucotton in all my drippers and my wife's kayufn. She recently asked me to change it to cotton to see the taste difference and hated cotton. She then asked me to switch to the Delasco rayon balls and likes it more than Cellucotton.

I decided on my last rebuild in my Stillare to use the Delasco and i have to say I'm more impressed with this. With the Cellucotton, i would occasionally get massive dry hits when the wick would still look wet-tish. Now, with the Delasco, I haven't had a dry hit yet and the wick looks bone dry while still giving a good hit.

just my

 

[JeremyR]

Thanks for the update uncle.
Sounds like your wife knows what's up.
The Sally's seems to have spots with little chunks of knotted rayon. This may be the cause as the fiber is like a highway. Works best when it can travel straight up the fiber. This can be avoided by pulling them out. That's why one wants to start with a big piece and stretch it a little to show the knots. Medi balls and pharma are more uniform inline fibers. No chunks to speak of. One of the reasons I recommend them to new users plus they are rinsed more, adhering to usp standards of quality.

 

[Verb]

Yep, the compressed paper like chunks has been the cause of some issues for me. I just discovered it last week. Since, I look/feel through the wick before installing.

 

[awsum140]

I've run into those little hair balls as well. I think I've gotten pretty good at cutting off a foot or so from the box, splitting it down, then sort of "combing" it out with a light touch of the fingers to make it all align a little better and clear those pesky little balls. Heck, I'm at the point where I can take a bunch of leftover "fluff", comb it out and get great wicks out of it. Why I do that with a 500 foot box under my desk beats the heck out of me. Guess I'm dirt cheap!