Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!
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Your welcome! Spaced coils was talked a lot about in this thread. It makes sense when you think about it logically. Spaced apart, quicker cool down time. Crunched together, the center gets very hot and all the coils touching each other cool down slower. I assume it helps a bit with airflow also. Because the airflow can actually go right through your coils spaces.
Anyhow good luck figuring it out. I'm sure someone will chime in with better info than I've got haha.
No problem! I do recommend reading this whole thread. It's chock full of great info, not just about rayon.
It's rather long but it's a fun read. Take a deep breath and get at 'er
If you are confident you wicked it correctly then it has to be method of vaping (not pulling hard enough), hot leg, or the juice type.
I'm currently doing a longevity test on rayon, stainless, TC, and NET. So far it's looking good, I'm 15ml in and don't have any burnt taste or dark backflow into the tank. Usually after 5ml I have colored backflow.
I'm currently doing a longevity test on rayon, stainless, TC, and NET. So far it's looking good, I'm 15ml in and don't have any burnt taste or dark backflow into the tank. Usually after 5ml I have colored backflow.
Just make sure you DON'T use chicken wire and only use an Authentic!
I've a question for Jeremy.... I'm a full fledged rayon user, Thank you sirMy bro uses a sigeli 100 @ 34 watts, dual kanthol 26 ga. 7 wraps @ 2.5 mm .4 ohms in a bellows v2 tank. He insists on cotton bacon and rewicks EVERY DAY!!! (He's tried rayon and bought Sally's big box) I wicked his the way I do mine @ 5:00 pm and he said his wicks were burnt by noon the next day... I was shocked I don't understand why you, I, and so many others can go hundreds of mls without changing wicks, I can't figure what his issue is... Any input is appreciated, thanks in advance!
Welcome to the family! Thank you.
Ok I vape at double that power level. Single coil at 40w = 80 duals.
First off.. Wick burnt or burn taste? I doubt the wick is burned I've literally only seen it really happen once before.. If you dry hit it the coil overheats and you have a burnt taste from the coil not the wick. If this happens I just wet the coil and Lightly wipe the coil with a paper towel to absorb the burnt juice. Redrip and your good.
The wick is not burnt.. Unless there was a serious problem..
He needs to realize what the signs are of the wick drying out with rayon. There is more warning than cotton you just have to know what your looking for. If you don't know once rayon is dry its dry. As we know we can vape it dry when wicked correctly, if you wait that long there is no juice left on the next hit.
You need to look at the wick, as it is, when he says its burnt.
The best way to learn rayon is ANY time you have a problem - inspect the wick. Your mostly looking for any looseness in the coil.
Take home -
The wick was too loose.
When the density is too low after a day it will be loose in the coil..
- "A day" is the key word that triggers a too loose diagnosis.
When the wick gets loose it loses contact with the coil allowing the coil to overheat to a partial dry burn condition. This will leave a burnt juice taste on the coil. The wick 99.9% of the time is perfectly fine unless you went SUPER crazy pulling it dry.
A simple drip and wipe will usually make it all good again. But a loose wick needs to be rewicked tighter..
Its recommend to have some nuetral wick taste at the start now.. That way you know it's tight enough..
While there is a sweet spot. Too tight is better than too loose.
This prevents the partial dry burn of coil. Excessively tight wick will cause the nuetral rayon taste to last a long time and causes muted flavor with excess gunking.
Yeah we were at the tip of the spear in the spaced coil come back.. Had a hot debate with the leading micro preacher..
Search the thread for ... Hot spot in the middle, Dead to me
Heres a link to part of the discussion that goes on for maybe 10 pages before and after. But you can see many "new" spaced coils being posted as sometime before this part, members started converting after I posted pic after pic of spaced coils.
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/posts/14295333/
Hope this all helps!
Rayon wick -
the best organic wick in the world.
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You can see I had the same discussion with the same user 8 months prior here and this was back in the ProTank days (ugh):
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/index.php?posts/12254147
For tanks, especially vaping tobacco I do evenly spaced coils. On drippers I do contact coils.
Yeah 54.. Its just common sense really.. And depends what you need.
OK guys we are getting close to 15,000 posts.. 70 posts to go... Please try to stay on topic till I start the new thread..
All posts concerning rayon are welcomed right now!!
Thanks
There's so very many things that have been discussed here. Thousands of great points and information. I will attempt to condense the most important need to know information into a short readable first post..
You can add what you feel is important for people to know as soon as possible in the thread to try to condense it in the beginning.
OK guys we are getting close to 15,000 posts.. 70 posts to go... Please try to stay on topic till I start the new thread..
All posts concerning rayon are welcomed right now!!
Thanks
There's so very many things that have been discussed here. Thousands of great points and information. I will attempt to condense the most important need to know information into a short readable first post..
You can add what you feel is important for people to know as soon as possible in the thread to try to condense it in the beginning.
Please feel free to reply cbr OK. Just want the folks to avoid off topic disco's.
The time is here... I have started preparing the draft for part two in my blog...
Please stop by and check on progress, and add any comments or things you think of as I build it.. Feel free to post whatever comes to mind..
I just started it and it will grow for probably the next two days and then I'll look to finalize it for posting.
Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! -Pt.2
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...flavor-longevity-and-nic-hit-pt-2.7502/unread
The time is here... I have started preparing the draft for part two in my blog...
Please stop by and check on progress, and add any comments or things you think of as I build it.. Feel free to post whatever comes to mind..
I just started it and it will grow for probably the next two days and then I'll look to finalize it for posting.
Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! -Pt.2
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...flavor-longevity-and-nic-hit-pt-2.7502/unread
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Thanks everyone for your input with my friends rayon issues. I'm thinking it has to be his vaping style. As I use pretty much the same setup and since I found the sweet spot with rayon I never have any issues. Thanks again
I'll check on your link later tonight Jeremy.
I'll check on your link later tonight Jeremy.
The main thing I'm wondering is if it really burned or tasted burnt. But you'll have to find that out..
Sounds as if he's running it too hot for his draw and after one day the coil has overheated enough to taste burnt maybe... Or just he dry hits it too much forgetting to drip..
The coil will still get juice burnt to it when you run it dry to the point of burning the juice..
With cotton yeah the wick is shot too... but with rayon the wick should still be good and only the coil and the burnt juice on it is the issue. Many times you can just drip well and blow a few hits out the atty to clear the burnt juice off the coil and be refreshed; if not, a light wipe to absorb burnt juice.
If he runs it to a dry hit, stop, drip well, blow out a couple hits by blowing into the drip tip and try it.. If it doesn't clear, just take a corner of a napkin and swipe it over and around the coil and you can go hundreds of mls more.
The point for me here is he wicks daily, how about if it was only weekly would that make his life easier..
A lot behind Rayon for me is the freedom of time from rewicking and dry burning all the time. .
Heck after 300ml literally there was almost nothing to dry burn off the coil.
Sounds as if he's running it too hot for his draw and after one day the coil has overheated enough to taste burnt maybe... Or just he dry hits it too much forgetting to drip..
The coil will still get juice burnt to it when you run it dry to the point of burning the juice..
With cotton yeah the wick is shot too... but with rayon the wick should still be good and only the coil and the burnt juice on it is the issue. Many times you can just drip well and blow a few hits out the atty to clear the burnt juice off the coil and be refreshed; if not, a light wipe to absorb burnt juice.
If he runs it to a dry hit, stop, drip well, blow out a couple hits by blowing into the drip tip and try it.. If it doesn't clear, just take a corner of a napkin and swipe it over and around the coil and you can go hundreds of mls more.
The point for me here is he wicks daily, how about if it was only weekly would that make his life easier..
A lot behind Rayon for me is the freedom of time from rewicking and dry burning all the time. .
Heck after 300ml literally there was almost nothing to dry burn off the coil.
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I have had a weird issue once where the wick disintegrated inside the coil, never really figured out why but it was vaping good then nothing.
Went to pull the wick and got half out one side then the other half out the other side, middle was gone.
Went to pull the wick and got half out one side then the other half out the other side, middle was gone.
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Dry burned the coil with a completely dry wick. Its really the only way.
New users don't realize how fast and how dry rayon will go. Its literally good to the last drop. And that is not expected. Also the density reduction causing loss of contact with the coil would not be expected coming from cotton.
Unfortunately some that have tried it I think did just that... Got to the last drop and dry burned the coil.. Or it wasn't dense enough and loosened up causing the coil to burn. Dry burned coil is a pretty nasty taste.. Well they think that was the rayon and they freak out.
Actually I did just that the first time I was trying it.. I believe i did burn that first one out not knowing anything about it.
I persisted cause it was so good, but then the next time i noticed a horrible taste I thought was the material.. But then the wick wasn't burnt at all when I actually looked at it. Still thought something was wrong with the rayon.
It was when I dry burned a coil a while later that I smelled the same exact thing I tasted.. I knew it was the coil dry burning not the material.
So as people figure out how instant rayon reacts and how much they need they get along just fine with it. They just need a little guidance.
It should be recommended to take it easy with rayon your first few times. As low a power as you can reasonably handle so when this happens in the learning process, the coil doesn't run away into dry burning. Cause it tastes terrible.
This is a great point that needs to be addressed 54 thanks.
Dry burned the coil with a completely dry wick. Its really the only way.
New users don't realize how fast and how dry rayon will go. Its literally good to the last drop. And that is not expected. Also the density reduction causing loss of contact with the coil would not be expected coming from cotton.
Unfortunately some that have tried it I think did just that... Got to the last drop and dry burned the coil.. Or it wasn't dense enough and loosened up causing the coil to burn. Dry burned coil is a pretty nasty taste.. Well they think that was the rayon and they freak out.
Actually I did just that the first time I was trying it.. I believe i did burn that first one out not knowing anything about it.
I persisted cause it was so good, but then the next time i noticed a horrible taste I thought was the material.. But then the wick wasn't burnt at all when I actually looked at it. Still thought something was wrong with the rayon.
It was when I dry burned a coil a while later that I smelled the same exact thing I tasted.. I knew it was the coil dry burning not the material.
So as people figure out how instant rayon reacts and how much they need they get along just fine with it. They just need a little guidance.
It should be recommended to take it easy with rayon your first few times. As low a power as you can reasonably handle so when this happens in the learning process, the coil doesn't run away into dry burning. Cause it tastes terrible.
This is a great point that needs to be addressed 54 thanks.
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No that's not what happened at all, I was vaping a kayfun at 15 watts.
The wick was fully saturated and the tank wasn't empty, I'm not the only person this happened to. In this thread it happened to someone else.
Only thing I can fathom thinking of it now is if the coil somehow got much more power than what was set, it was a stacked VAMO so it was definitely capable of delivering 7+ volts if something went crazy momentarily.
I felt at the time it was something in the juice I was vaping, I still think it may have been but it should have happened again to me and others as well. It's what made me post it, perhaps "burning man" has a juice that is reacting to rayon.
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I remember the wick being wet but I don't actually remember if the tank was or wasn't empty. Damn bad memory.
The wick was fully saturated and the tank wasn't empty, I'm not the only person this happened to. In this thread it happened to someone else.
Only thing I can fathom thinking of it now is if the coil somehow got much more power than what was set, it was a stacked VAMO so it was definitely capable of delivering 7+ volts if something went crazy momentarily.
I felt at the time it was something in the juice I was vaping, I still think it may have been but it should have happened again to me and others as well. It's what made me post it, perhaps "burning man" has a juice that is reacting to rayon.
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I remember the wick being wet but I don't actually remember if the tank was or wasn't empty. Damn bad memory.
Yeah I remember when that happened but it was a mystery. I thought that maybe it was a vapor lock that made it go completely dry and when you cracked the seal to open it the juice ran back into the chamber...
Well in normal circumstances it will obviously happen as I described. And im just saying that dry hit issue has happened to people that tried it before and I need to address it in the new thread.
I got some hangsen Arabic for you to try out.
Well in normal circumstances it will obviously happen as I described. And im just saying that dry hit issue has happened to people that tried it before and I need to address it in the new thread.
I got some hangsen Arabic for you to try out.
Muchas Gracias, checked my PM but nothing there.
I agree, it was extremely freaky and hasn't happened again. In the entire 18 months of using rayon.
I used to have that whole "wick disintegration" thing happen with cotton. A Lot. Only happened with rayon a few times in the beginning, because as Jeremy said, it's good to the last drop. I didn't even realize that I was dry hitting it until I tasted the burnt rayon...
OK I've only just got an introduction done and its already too long. Lol
seriously It will end up like a research paper at this rate, there are so many points to be covered. As you can see I haven't even scratched the surface yet.
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