Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[PaulBHC]

One of the reasons I got into rebuildables is my NET and my wife's chocolate based liquids. Short story I pulled out a burnt looking wick that was stuck somewhat into a crusty coil. I now know what to taste for when it is time to change wick.

Getting better at judging how wide a piece to pull off the rope and how to install it in a coil. Good stuff.

 

[stashbldr]

Wanted to say this about how I am wicking my Reo's. I normally use to make 1/16" coils but decided to go to a bigger coil a few days ago and it works much better on my RM2 Reomizers. The reason I did it is because the rayon holds the juice so well but if I have the tails too long it interferes with the juice actually being on the coil itself, it gathers in the tails and doesn't move to the coil.

I made my wick ends shorter .. they stick out just a hair over 1/8" on each side of the coil. By having a thicker coil with shorter wick ends there is more juice actually getting to and staying on the coil itself instead of staying on longer wick ends. I also raised my coils up a bit more than I use to do with cotton, so that there is no interference at all with the bottom hole in my Reomizers, for better drainage.

The CC was working great for me before I did this, but now it is much much better. I'm making my coils on a 14 gauge needle (5/64") and doing 7 wraps of 28 gauge kanthal.

 

[JeremyR]

Anyone else experiencing metallic taste after a few days? I am not saying it is the cc wick, but I can't think of other variables in my setup. Maybe not enough juice ... too much juice?? It may not be related at all, but figured I would throw it out to see if anyone else is having a case of metal mouth lol.

Just wanted to add a thought: I am probably vaping more -- could I have *gasp* vaper's mouth?

The increased amount of wet vapor can cause some side effects but I found that it went away after a few days and now my lungs/ throat actually feel better which is wierd because in getting so much more of a saturated vape at higher wattage..

Anything that is in the juice will come through 100% it could be things you never noticed in the juice before..

Or this could have happened... The wick is sagging off the coil. It will cause the coil start to dry burn.

This is not good

See the gap?

If you don't use enough.. This will show up in an hour or two usually.

 

[trouble1000]

Well here's my

Ordered some of this wonder wick and surprisingly the box arrived yesterday. Initially, I thought it was coming from the US, but as I ordered it through Amazon, it was sent from a UK address - so that was a nice surprise.

Next surprise was the size of the box - it's Mahoosive

I ordered the 1200 foot box, didn't realise it would be that big, won't fit in my vape cupboard

Surprise no.3 - so easy to work with. Set it up in 2 different Kayfuns, both running 1.7 ohm micro coils and drilled out airholes.

Surprise no.4 - amazing flavour, even better than cotton. Plus the vapour production is fantastic. I'd say it's as good as that eureka moment when I built my first cotton wick in a Vivi Nova

It's early days for me yet, but I can honestly say, that I'm really impressed. I love everything about this new wick, even the bubbling sound when I take a hit (reminds me of a fresh cotton build). If it's this good after a few days vaping, the Wife can have her cotton make up removal pads back - I've fallen in love with CC

 

[JeremyR]

I'm back to Cotton once again. Although the Rayon seems like a great wick material it is just TO MUCH for me. To much flavor and mostly to much sweetness from whatever liquid I use.
Maybe once I get some straight PG and VG and Cut my present e-juice with those I can take the sweetness the Rayon seems to give.
It seems to me the producers of E-Liquid are adding flavor and sugar (If that is added or included in the flavoring) for what is normally used for wick materials. Now that Rayon wicks so much better, delivering more juice to the coil @ a faster rate, the blend of flavoring to PG/VG needs to be adjusted. For me at least.
Best of luck to all, I'm out of this thread.

Works too well huh.. Well typically vapors have the oposite problem and are trying to get more flavor and vapor. I think your 100% correct that the juices are made for devices that have muted flavor. For instance I vape hangsen Arabic diy.. Some guys say they use 7-9% before they taste it... I only use 2.5-3 and I get loads of flavor.. It's all about the atty, coil, wattage, and of course what's now the biggest factor.. The wick.

I hear you though it does intensify the flavor a lot. I tried an ry3 I had mixed up before.. And yeah way too sweet now. Will have to cut the flavoring on that by at least 50%

These are typically things vapors are after.

I think the thing with sweetner is that you palette pics up on it so easily as a dominate note.

For tobaccos, nets, light fruit flavors, ect. This is the bomb

 

[vapdivrr]

its amazing how results differ from person to person. I have read posts ranging from a lot better then cotton to about the same to not as good, while some say the rayon is too good as it makes the juice to sweet and lastly that the rayon is muted compared to cotton. I love rebuildables and have tried just about every type of wicking material out there cause that's what I like to do so I figured to give this a go, I purchased a huge 3lb box of this yesterday and this morning been messing around. started on the most lowest wattage set up that I have, its a 1.3 micro coil on my provari which I vape at 14 watts. now I must say that I never had any issues with cotton, for the past year I have been using cvs sterile and completely love it, it performs awesome on all my attys that include drippers, kayfuns, aquas, and foggers. I can vape cotton in any atty up to 20 watts with no issues at all. a lot of the posts I see here in favor of the rayon state that they could never vape cotton in their kayfuns or aquas much over 12 watts without dry hits so im thinking that the rayon is easier to achieve better results then cotton but not necessarily a better wicking material because im just not seeing that much of a difference to cotton. so far I have wicked this coil 3x's with the rayon, the first time I didn't use enough material because I heard the sizzle after I stopped firing the device (that's my findings anyways) the second time I over did the amounts and tasted the funk, the 3rd time was a charm and been vaping this one for about an hour. what I am finding is maybe slightly more vapor production as cotton but just maybe, and the same TH. as for flavor maybe not quite as good as cotton imo with this juice. I must say however that I do believe it wicks better because back to the crackling sound, there are times with cotton that I have wicked a coil and as I vaped it, it makes an over excessive crackling sound. not so much as your firing the mod but after you let go of the button. imo when you release the button and this sound continues for a second after releasing the fire button it means not enough wicking material. every single time this has happened to me, what follows is a dry hit, I rewick with slightly more cotton and the sound stops when button is released. its the length of time this crackling stops after releasing the button, because with a good build it does happen, it just isn't as long of a time. like right now I do have a great rayon build in this atty and when I do release the button, the sound does continue but only for a fraction of a second, with a "not enough material build" in the coil, this sound might continue for over a second, maybe 2 seconds. anyways with cotton and this long crackling sound, it always results in dry hits, now with my first rayon build, the one with not enough material, no dry hit at all, this tells me that even with not enough wicking material the rayon still works, so strand for strand the rayon does wick better then cotton imo. my end results, rayon wicks better then cotton, may produce slightly more vapor, about same TH but slightly less flavor. I have only been using the rayon for a short time and maybe these results are premature so I will post after more time but for now I think I like my cotton better mainly because of the flavor profile. also maybe because cotton is more finicky people weren't getting the max results they should of been getting and with rayon possibly being a more forgiven material is why I am seeing such varied comparisons. one last thing, I do like working with the rayon better then cotton, It just seems easier to coil maybe because the strands are straighter and stronger. one thing I must say is im sure the rayon will last longer, it seems very strong, unlike cotton you cannot really pull the strands apart with your hands, I mean you can separate the strands with the grain but against the grain its really strong. so all in all this stuff is very good imo, really just as good as cotton, the more I vape on it the more I like it but im just not seeing it being that much different to cotton

 

[Bejeebus]

Thanks Jeremyr - I am thinking it is because the wick is sagging --- gonna do it up shorter and see.

 

[Wow1420]

Thier probably out if the 500s, scratching thier heads as to why they just sold out..

Thats the 1200ft box..

I brought the 3 lb. box up to the register and asked if they had the same stuff in smaller boxes. She didn't have to look, she just sighed and said no, rather like it wasn't the first time she'd been asked the same question lately.

I think it's less than 1200 feet, since it has a different product number Welcome to Graham Beauty

Let's assume it's 750 feet. I used all of 3 inches in the last week. At that rate, it would last me 57.7 years. And I wasted a bunch re-doing some wicks a couple of times.

 

[bsoplinger]

Ordered some of this wonder wick and surprisingly the box arrived yesterday. Initially, I thought it was coming from the US, but as I ordered it through Amazon, it was sent from a UK address - so that was a nice surprise.

Did they offer a smaller option and you just didn't choose that not realizing how much you're getting? Why not post the link so others in Europe can get in on the wonder? There aren't that many Sally's in the EU.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Xparent Purple Tapatalk 2

 

[JeremyR]

its amazing how results differ from person to person. I have read posts ranging from a lot better then cotton to about the same to not as good, while some say the rayon is too good as it makes the juice to sweet and lastly that the rayon is muted compared to cotton. I love rebuildables and

Same thing you hear about cotton... Varied reports depending on the user.

Give it time, I think you'll find an aha moment... You just recieved it yesterday... Just the fact that's your saying its as good as or better than cotton after 1 day is saying a lot. It took me quite a while to get cotton down. And lots of people never do. Ever hear
Someone say cotton wick tastes horrible like a t-shirt.... Why do they say that and you don't... Because They don't use the correct density.

I used hemp for 6 months and this blew it away in all catagories... Was able to up wattage from 12-13 to 20-24 same coil only changed the wick. Instant I mean instant change with the very first pull.

Good luck hope you improve your vape game with the new wick.

 

[JeremyR]

I brought the 3 lb. box up to the register and asked if they had the same stuff in smaller boxes. She didn't have to look, she just sighed and said no, rather like it wasn't the first time she'd been asked the same question lately.

I think it's less than 1200 feet, since it has a different product number Welcome to Graham Beauty

Let's assume it's 750 feet. I used all of 3 inches in the last week. At that rate, it would last me 57.7 years. And I wasted a bunch re-doing some wicks a couple of times.

Probably a lot of ticked off hair dressers!

I think what we should be asking them is if they have a smaller 10ft package in rayon.. Then maybe word will get to the top and they could request it from the manufacturer.

 

[JeremyR]

Thanks Jeremyr - I am thinking it is because the wick is sagging --- gonna do it up shorter and see.

Examine it before you take it out to see how it looks.

 

[Bejeebus]

Examine it before you take it out to see how it looks.

I had the Aios coiled with a horizontal coil -- it was too far from the deck in that formation. But I was vaping it anyway. I have it back to vertical with a shorter top (no tail at all) and only enough bottom wick to touch the deck. So far it's good. I may need to get my Trident into action -> good horizontal coil location etc.

 

[trouble1000]

Did they offer a smaller option and you just didn't choose that not realizing how much you're getting? Why not post the link so others in Europe can get in on the wonder? There aren't that many Sally's in the EU.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Xparent Purple Tapatalk 2

To be honest, it was the only one I could find on the UK Amazon site at the time. I've got enough wicking material to last a lifetime now though, so I'll probably PIF some to a few mates

Here's a link if anyone is struggling picking some up :
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000UQI3MQ/ref=pe_385721_37986871_TE_item

 

[brianc11111]

i had to do it......
kayfun 3.1...26ga 5/64 drillbit 7 wraps each... .5ohm







had to try a dual coil on one of the kf's ......rayon is keeping up like a fat fourteen year old in a hot dog eating contest!
nice warm vape....and absolutely no dry hits........
another fine example of how good this shiite is!!

 

[JeremyR]

well the 700mg video finally uploaded! figured out i need to reduce the quality of video on my iphone for next one, this was taken with a rigged up iphone, pretty funny rig job, lets just say some jesus candles were involved.lol

Can't believe I screwed up the density again with this video... Need to stick to how I do it with 2-3 times the coil size.



RAYON wicking - YouTube

heres the video discription on youtube

This stuff is amazing guys!!!

I believe this will change the ecig world, its the next evolution of ecig wicking material, brought to you by JeremyR

here I show you how I wick with it on a Flash e-vapor v2 clone....

***turns out in this video i still did not use enough!!!****

USE EVEN MORE TO START WITH

After a few hours it sagged a little, it was not enough in the coil. i should have went with a thicker piece off the bat.

you see when i lined it up i went about twice as big as my coil, should have stuck to my between 3 times as big piece to start with. twice was just short of enough. 2.5 times the size of the coil when you pull it off the rayon coil is probably the minimum.

i amended it by opening a gap in the coil with a needle and then threading a loose unrolled piece about the size of the coil in with a folded kanthal wire. now its full and back to producing wonderfully... But not as good as doing right the first time.

for more information or help see here-
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...better-flow-flavor-saturation-nic-hit-42.html

 

[Tbev]

I'm back to Cotton once again. Although the Rayon seems like a great wick material it is just TO MUCH for me. To much flavor and mostly to much sweetness from whatever liquid I use.

Maybe once I get some straight PG and VG and Cut my present e-juice with those I can take the sweetness the Rayon seems to give.

It seems to me the producers of E-Liquid are adding flavor and sugar (If that is added or included in the flavoring) for what is normally used for wick materials. Now that Rayon wicks so much better, delivering more juice to the coil @ a faster rate, the blend of flavoring to PG/VG needs to be adjusted. For me at least.

Best of luck to all, I'm out of this thread.

I hate it when my juice tastes too good... Dammit Jeremy I can believe you would share this with people...

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[vapdivrr]

i had to do it......
kayfun 3.1...26ga 7 wraps each... .5ohm


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had to try a dual coil on one of the kf's ......rayon is keeping up like a fat fourteen year old in a hot dog eating contest!
nice warm vape....and absolutely no dry hits........
another fine example of how good this shiite is!!

kayfun does work really good with the dual coils and is one of my fav's. I don't have it up and down like yours and mine is dedicated to my dna-20. I once had a dual in an x position but never on top so I might give her a try. do they light at the same time? seems like one might have longer leads? or are both coils on one length of wire?

 

[JeremyR]

I hate it when my juice tastes too good... Dammit Jeremy I can believe you would share this with people...

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What do you mean its no different than cotton right? Jk

 

[brianc11111]

kayfun does work really good with the dual coils and is one of my fav's. I don't have it up and down like yours and mine is dedicated to my dna-20. I once had a dual in an x position but never on top so I might give her a try. do they light at the same time? seems like one might have longer leads? or are both coils on one length of wire?

i used two drillbits and had them together, then twisted leads together then mounted them......they fire together, same times when they get full red.......two coils