Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!

[JeremyR]

Not this!
You don't want it to look like this after a tank, you'll have coil dry hits .

Not this for your Rayon Wick.

 

[JimmyDB]

Oh they know about it but, their scared to have their mind blown.

Yes pb was the only one. He sided to say he didn't know if it was safe. So it became a wash of support with doubt.

Yeah, I didn't like the PB review of wicking materials... his opinion of safeness aside, since I don't think anyone is turning to PB for safety opinion, I just didn't like the method of the testing etc.

As far as those that still have concerns over the safety of Rayon due to chemical contamination... that *seems* silly to me because it's going through chemical processes that are very well known/understood. I have the mindset that if someone doesn't trust Rayon to be contaminate free [in the reasonable sense of the word], then I doubt they trust their store bought food or anything else either... I have to wonder where they think all of those chemicals used to make soda come from... or how their tap water is treated... how their e-juice is made, etc. My mind was blown to discover that my dish washer detergent does NOT actually grow on trees alongside my laundry detergent.

 

[JeremyR]

Good points.

Yeah the methods were flawed as well for real world use of a proper rayon wick in the atomizer. But I give him props to picking up on it at the time.

The rayon is not made with chemicals. A molecular level extraction is done. The result of the reactions is a pure unbinding cellulose chain.

Even vitamins are chemically extracted

How do you like vitamin b?

Wiki -

Cyanocobalamin is commercially prepared by bacterial fermentation. Fermentation by a variety of microorganisms yields a mixture of methyl-, hydroxo-, and adenosylcobalamin. These compounds are converted to cyanocobalamin by addition of potassium cyanide in the presence of sodium nitrite and heat. Since a number of species of Propionibacterium produce no exotoxins or endotoxins and have been granted GRAS status (generally regarded as safe) by the Food and Drug Administration of the United States, they are currently the preferred bacterial fermentation organisms for vitamin B12 production

Potassium cyanid and sodium nitrate?

Oh yeah were done. Kidding obviously.

Its chemistry man lots of peoplee just don't understand it. In the same fashion a pure molecule of vitamin 12 is created a pure molecule of cellulose is made. And that's how a rayon wick is made.

 

[JimmyDB]

Oh yeah, I get it... and hey, I was kicked out of chem so, it's not like I have that on my list of achievements.

Many peeps get very seriously worried about contaminants... I don't blame them for that, but there comes a point when we have to admit something has been tested and that there will be some level of contamination with everything... but it's normally stupid stuff like machine oils... mice...etc, not the chemicals used for extraction/etc.

I mean, if someone wants to do something terrible that will change their life... just buy a health inspector dinner/lunch some time and ask them about what they do for a living and the horror stories.

 

[JimmyDB]

I don't know Jeremy, when I was helping the gun club set up a website through GoDaddy I found out you can pay to have your website pop up near the top of searches. You can select key words to associate your website and surprisingly it didn't cost that much either.

yeah, but search engines are up on this... these services are generally only good for a short amount of time. It's best to get there legitimately,... by actually having relevant data on your pages, with contextual basis, linked to and from those pages, etc.

Some days I wish ECF didn't get searched as much as it does (by search engines)... other days I'm quite happy as it makes finding things as easy as google... so long as you don't mind missing the most recent posts.

 

[JeremyR]

I just stumbled on to these threads...

I am browsing [rayon for a wick]. Have a look at it!

rayon for a wick

Also this one

I am browsing [A new wick better than cotton? - AR15.Com Archive]. Have a look at it! http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=175&t=1635693

His stuff was rayon and he said, of course - its working great.

Refback

 

[JeremyR]

yeah, but search engines are up on this... these services are generally only good for a short amount of time. It's best to get there legitimately,... by actually having relevant data on your pages, with contextual basis, linked to and from those pages, etc.

Some days I wish ECF didn't get searched as much as it does (by search engines)... other days I'm quite happy as it makes finding things as easy as google... so long as you don't mind missing the most recent posts.

Yeah good post...
i think there could be something that has to do with the way the ECF pages are populated in google or something.

I don't know how vaping undergrounds forum post is above ours... Other than being tied to vapor joes which has a very high hit count, possibly and probably more then ECF.. Just theorizing at this point.

I've had many previous blogs in the 2000's that I've got up on the first page. I'll see in the morning if were having any effect.

And like you said just writing the words over and over in a row doesn't help it has to be in the context of the page.

 

[JimmyDB]

How long until someone wraps 12 awg around a feminine product and declares success?

LOL

I had to stop right there and quote it

 

[JimmyDB]

Yeah good post...
i think there could be something that has to do with the way the ECF pages are populated in google or something.

I don't know how vaping undergrounds forum post is above ours... Other than being tied to vapor joes which has a very high hit count, possibly and probably more then ECF.. Just theorizing at this point.

I've had many previous blogs in the 2000's that I've got up on the first page. I'll see in the morning if were having any effect.

And like you said just writing the words over and over in a row doesn't help it has to be in the context of the page.

I think we have the context actually, and I think you may have hit the nail dead-center. We were lacking the keyword(s). We talk about Rayon, tails and wick... but we may not be keeping the words close enough together. Rayon Wick Tails need to be trimmed. Maybe ECF could do one of those keyword filters for us so when we say CC, it comes up as CelluCotton Rayon (in my dreams).

Don't expect too much change overnight... think of the search rankings in weeks versus days.

 

[cobalt327]

Good points.

Yeah the methods were flawed as well for real world use of a proper rayon wick in the atomizer. But I give him props to picking up on it at the time.

The rayon is not made with chemicals. A molecular level extraction is done. The result of the reactions is a pure unbinding cellulose chain.

Even vitamins are chemically extracted

How do you like vitamin b?

Wiki -



Potassium cyanid and sodium nitrate?

Oh yeah were done.

Its chemistry man lots of peoplee just don't understand it. In the same fashion a pure molecule of vitamin 12 is created a pure molecule of cellulose is made. And that's how a rayon wick is made.

Sodium nitrate is fairly innocuous, in fact I have a couple ounces in the cupboard as I type, I use it for making venison sausage. It's sold as "pink salt" or "curing salt". You'll sometimes hear stories about it turning into sodium nitrite under certain conditions that causes health concerns but as far as I'm concerned it is just another case of overhyped bs- just like the stories of rayon being unhealthy, etc..

 

[cobalt327]

Everyone needs to scroll to the bottom of the page and add their allotment of tags. I can't add any more myself...

 

[KGB7]

We need a Sticky guide on Rayon; as to how to wick it properly in detail with pics. After 3 coils and 2 feet of Rayon of doing it wrong and burning my right lung, i still cant get the full potential out of it.
Eventually i got it semi working, but i cant get it to chain vape at 55W as i did with cotton at same Ohm with out dry hits.
I want a safe hot vape with Rayon at 55w, 0.6ohm as i got with chepo CVS cotton.
As of now, after many coils and wicks, I only feel "safe" at 25w and short pulls with rayon not to dry hit.

In the mean time, Im back to vaping of Atlantis till Lemo Drop gets here..

 

[Aal_]

We need a Sticky guide on Rayon; as to how to wick it properly in detail with pics. After 3 coils and 2 feet of Rayon of doing it wrong and burning my right lung, i still cant get the full potential out of it.
Eventually i got it semi working, but i cant get it to chain vape at 55W as i did with cotton at same Ohm with out dry hits.
I want a safe hot vape with Rayon at 55w, 0.6ohm as i got with chepo CVS cotton.
As of now, after many coils and wicks, I only feel "safe" at 25w and short pulls with rayon not to dry hit.

In the mean time, Im back to vaping of Atlantis till Lemo Drop gets here..

What kind of wire are you using? Have you tried double insertion?

 

[PaulBHC]

Rayon wick? Never heard of it, lol

If we tried to correct everyone in every thread that said it was unsafe with the "rayon wick" term, we would have more hits than anywhere else.

 

[JeremyR]

Search results in google for the term - rayon wick

I think I've found the only reason VU is placed above us.

Google will place the faster loading page higher.

The VU site loads faster than ECF

The site VU -
http://....................../threads/rayon-for-wicks-not-a-good-idea.15412/

The google page load speed test

https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/

ECF is 55/61
Vu is 64/62

 

[JeremyR]

We need a Sticky guide on Rayon; as to how to wick it properly in detail with pics. After 3 coils and 2 feet of Rayon of doing it wrong and burning my right lung, i still cant get the full potential out of it.
Eventually i got it semi working, but i cant get it to chain vape at 55W as i did with cotton at same Ohm with out dry hits.
I want a safe hot vape with Rayon at 55w, 0.6ohm as i got with chepo CVS cotton.
As of now, after many coils and wicks, I only feel "safe" at 25w and short pulls with rayon not to dry hit.

In the mean time, Im back to vaping of Atlantis till Lemo Drop gets here..

I did link some of those for you. No matter what there is a learning curve. Especially since your unlearning everything about wicking with cotton that you know.

Many people simply won't do things that rayon need because the don't see how it would work since they are thinking of cotton.

Some people get it right away some don't.

Dry hits should be with some warning. You have to check the wick multiple times in the beginning to make sure your not loosing contact with the coil. The slightest hint of it drying should lead to checking your wick and taking it easy in case the coil does dry burn on you from not enough in the coil.

When its wicked right you will see the entire wick actually being dry when you start to notice the vapor dropping off.

Rayon reacts quick and juice is released quick to the coil.

 

[KGB7]

What kind of wire are you using? Have you tried double insertion?

Double insertion you say? . Lol

Using kanthal a1 24gauge.

 

[BNEAT]

DNA40 + Rayon = a match made in heaven!

Twisted flat .4mm Kanthal / 32awg Ni200 @ .14ohm dual spaced coils in a small chamber Fogger at 30watts is the best Boba's Bounty has ever tasted, and the wicks have steamed through 35ish ml of juice so far, with no end in sight! The DNA40 chip is performing exactly as I hoped, and Rayon seems to be it's best friend!

What a great time to be a vaper

 

[Aal_]

Double insertion you say? [emoji14]. Lol

Using kanthal a1 24gauge.

Yep double insertion . 55 watts should be OK with 24 gauge. That is a slow heating wire and rayon should wick fast enough.

 

[JeremyR]

The amount of full wick before the trim may need to be increased at higher wattage. Instead of 1/8" go 1/4 inch for example.

I always leave the full wick part about as long as a kanger wick then trim the rest down.



I have seen juice consumption nearly double on a given setup switching to rayon. That increase in juice vaporized makes things happen fast.

A larger diameter coil can help too.

Edit:
I see your using a 3mm coil already! * the hardest part is getting enough rayon in there to remain in contact after a tank. You need A LOT in a 3mm coil..

You are not using enough in the 3mm diameter.