Regarding advice to Noobs.... Keep it simple please

[BernieVideo]

Seriously folks, Not everyone on the forum is interested in or wants to build their gear.

It true!

Some of us just want to walk into a store, or go to a web site and buy an existing stock product and use it, UNCHANGED.

I notice this, a lot, on threads started by people that have been vaping for a very short time, looking for product advice, or tips on how to use their gear. From their language it is OBVIOUS they just want someone to advise them what to buy, but the bulk of the replies they get are from vaping ENTHUSIASTS posting long detailed instructions about how the noob should be winding their own coils, or building a mod, etc.
Which is followed up by the noob asking for clarification about all the new info that just got dumped on them.
Followed by more esoteric posts on the magic of modding.

Maybe y'all should take a breath and consider whom you are advising, and tune your reply to be more .... appropriate to their level and what they are asking.

Just sayin.....

 

[SissySpike]

I some what agree but then again if you ask for someone opinion on whats best should they lie and say a cart or clearo is the best? Cant the Noob just skip those reply that dose not interest him or her?

Just sayin

 

[klynnn]

I think a lot on the forum are older and looking to control costs. Many of us spent a fortune over the years on cigs and just don't want to do that anymore. I know what you are saying though most of the people I know just want to go to a store and get cigarettes. Too much trouble to spend the time and effort with ecigs. I do know that when I post I try to save people money in the long run, my bad.

 

[EmeraldLeo1982]

Generally I try and keep the advice to an appropriate response depdnding on what they're asking. But! If they're asking for how to achieve something that just can't really be achieved with a prebuilt clearo etc, then I'll direct them in the direction of rebuildables. In the end it's on them to choose which route to take. And I make sure to clarify that I'm willing to help if they're interested and have any further questions.

 

[mare ze dotes]

Ya, that happens sometimes, But I have found that for every 'over the head reply' there are many appropriate responces to follow. It is the nature of the open forum. I have seen it on all of my forums. I do a lot of pet type forums and sometimes I read something that just makes me want to cringe. But there are so many great members here to help. And they enjoy helping. It is a great forum.

When it comes to rebuildables, I consider changing the head on my mini nova rebuilding.

 

[EmeraldLeo1982]

When it comes to rebuildables, I consider changing the head on my mini nova rebuilding.

Hah I would do that route too if it wasn't so expensive, came in the coil ohms I want, and if I didn't feel like cleaning my coil every 3 days or so to maintain flavor and vapor. =D plus I enjoy all the ohms, amps, volts, and watts stuff and my life is really boring so tinkering gives me something to do.

 

[wbart]

I agree with the OP. People that have been vaping for under a week should not be worried about coiling or Sub-Ohm or that they should be buying 500 dollars of equipment before even trying a vape. I am all for blus and starter kits. Just to get some experience before they decide whether or not to pursue Vaping. I know people that just use a little 650 EGO and a C5 and are perfectly content. I however am not one of those people and have invested more than I should have. In the end it is an opinion and you are entitled to give it. But you also have to remember your audience. You would not suggest to a beginner RC Plane operator to buy a Jet Aircraft as his first purchase. The same can be said here. I apologize if this comes off bad to anyone. I am speaking the truth as I see it and mean no harm or is this towards any person in particular it is just something that I have noticed as well going into the New members forum and seeing people getting advice that is well above my skill grade let alone someone that is just interested in vaping.

Wooo I feel as though I ranted for a bit there...

 

[djezewski]

Well yes and no. Some newbie's are quite proficient while other's are not. Things they all learn right off the bat is how to maintain their device. Once they take the coil out to clean they may look and see the gaskets and the little wicks and coils and say hmmm "I think I need to replace that". Another may say to themselves "this doesn't look very complicated, I bet I could put in a new wick and coil"
If someone wants to learn then they should be told to go to the Model Specific are of the forum, etc.
Perhaps there should be some area of the forum that perhaps is like a E-cig University that would take you from the very beginning then graduating including explaining parts of an e-cig to the most complicated stage one could get to. I think actually that would be rather an interesting process.

 

[Fizzpop]

Just get a Kanger tank with T3s bottom coils. As you gunk them up, just mail them to me. I'll pay shipping.

 

[Mike Sheda]

I agree with the OP. People that have been vaping for under a week should not be worried about coiling or Sub-Ohm or that they should be buying 500 dollars of equipment before even trying a vape. I am all for blus and starter kits. Just to get some experience before they decide whether or not to pursue Vaping. I know people that just use a little 650 EGO and a C5 and are perfectly content. I however am not one of those people and have invested more than I should have. In the end it is an opinion and you are entitled to give it. But you also have to remember your audience. You would not suggest to a beginner RC Plane operator to buy a Jet Aircraft as his first purchase. The same can be said here. I apologize if this comes off bad to anyone. I am speaking the truth as I see it and mean no harm or is this towards any person in particular it is just something that I have noticed as well going into the New members forum and seeing people getting advice that is well above my skill grade let alone someone that is just interested in vaping.

Wooo I feel as though I ranted for a bit there...

That's OK.. just don't Bend the Rules

 

[klynnn]

People can learn a lot lot more than they think. When I started I didn't know the diff between an ohm and an apple. Electronics was scary to say the least. Now Feisty Old lady that I am I rebuild my novas. Don't sell yourself short things are only hard if you think so.

 

[Penn]

People can learn a lot lot more than they think. When I started I didn't know the diff between an ohm and an apple. Electronics was scary to say the least. Now Feisty Old lady that I am I rebuild my novas. Don't sell yourself short things are only hard if you think so.

Well that is pretty simple. Ohm is what you say to help enter a meditative state and an apple is a computer/technology company.

 

[Butters78]

When I was new I liked all the different responses, either it be advanced or simple. When it was advanced I researched it.

 

[SissySpike]

Limiting the answers to simple is assuming the questioner is simple and is insulting their intelligence.

Dont worry OP all rant threads go the way of this one you post your rant and the rest of the community picks it apart its the natural order of things;-)

 

[jefsview]

We've all been there. And we all get hit in the face with SO MUCH INFORMATION that our brain tries to explode and we feel an urge to recede back into a corner and vape on our gear.

Then a week or two into it, you receive your bank statement and say, "WOW, I spent a LOT of money... so much for vaping saving me money!

So, you either go back to smoking, or you really like not smelling like filth and being covered in yellow stains wearing clothing with small little burn holes in in and forever washing the car's interior windows because of the film and continue vaping. But you look for ways to save you the money once spent on smoking. You get yourself a stop-smoking-banner or calculator and add it up. Look into rebuilding those coils, DIY juices or find cheaper juice vendors who sell 250mls at a time... and the next thing you know, you're saving money but doing all this stuff you never found yourself doing.

Big investment, starting a new life as a non-smoker. It's an investment that pays off quickly, if you want it too. My banner states I saved over $1.4K already. I know I didn't spend all on gear and juice. It paid bills and helped me survive through unemployment. It paid off.

Yes, it's intimidating at first. In the beginning of my vaping journey, I wanted a grassy, analog flavor. Now I'm enjoying fruit and bakery and other flavors so much more that I have to force myself to vape the plain tobacco juices I still have. Things change. We change. That's why we're all here.

 

[Tvan]

I didn't feel I was given any advice that I was incapable of understanding. I looked at the different options that were recommended. I ended up with a 650 pass when others suggested better (it was good advice). I had to go with what I was most comfortable with. Now that Ive moved beyond the passthrough. Looking back I would still have made the same decisions.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

Totally agree with the OP. Newbs who are interested in advanced systems will ask about them. Those simply looking to make the next step from blu/Fin/NJoy kits or low-end eGo systems ask about their next step. Trying to take the latter to the APV world is like taking and 8th grade math student to quantum physics.

We all know that the VapeQuest^TM is a long and complicated path to Vapor Nirvana, best taken one step at a time.

 

[SonHouse]

I agree. While some folks will pick it up as a hobby, most folks just want grab and go with the same level of involvement they had walking into a gas station and buying a pack of smokes. Others will want to dive in. It's important to try to figure out which camp the poster is in before guiding them.

It's also important not to guide them down a path which might cause injury to them. That's where I see a lot of folks go wrong. A new vaper comes in, makes it clear from their post they don't know heads or tails and posters immediately suggest sub Ohm RBA's without a word of caution or warning.

That's negligent behavior for two reasons. First, the overwhelming majority of users don't want that level of involvement. Second, not warning them about the possible issues can put them in danger.

 

[Zee2006]

When it comes to rebuildables, I consider changing the head on my mini nova rebuilding.

hahah I LOVE this!! and it's sooooooo me!!!

 

[unsure]

Well no one wants to scare a newbie off with a $200+ mod but a argument can be made that some of those (I said SOME) that have made that leap have saved money and a lot of frustration in the long run. Maybe after a realistic suggestion a option could be given.