Sattec's atty cleaning test thread
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I was not understanding the whole coke thing, but I'm going to try soda at some point too. I remembered that carbonated water will take oils out of clothing if you get to it quick enough. Supposedly it is the CO2 being nonpolar that dissolves the oils. Bet its doing something similar with attys, as well as the phosphoric acid.
The idea in some of the classic old threads is that the lower PH the better.
Also it was hypothesized that the carbonation helps.
According to this link: Which soda is the most acidic?
Coke is the lowest at around 2.3 and Pepsi is second at 2.35 PH.
But I use Diet because we don't have regular around here.
Diet Coke comes in at around 2.7 PH level.
The idea in some of the classic old threads is that the lower PH the better.
Also it was hypothesized that the carbonation helps.
According to this link: Which soda is the most acidic?
Coke is the lowest at around 2.3 and Pepsi is second at 2.35 PH.
But I use Diet because we don't have regular around here.
Diet Coke comes in at around 2.7 PH level.
I guess one could test which is more important by simply heating the coke until it is flat and then using that. If it works just as well, then the CO2 is not a significant contributor to the dissolving.
Good news from here with 510 attys is that I've been using either the zero-filler mod or the slug mod, both very similar, and both seem to keep the atty running great with no clogs and only one blow out in the evening, so perhaps I won't have to do deep cleaning as much. It seems that the best prevention to cleaning is simply an optimally working cart and juice that flows well.
The old trick of using Coke to clean rust off of steel is based on the phosphoric acid used in colas (phosphoric acid gives colas a tangy, sour taste that's part of their flavor).
Perhaps the dilute orthophosphoric acid in Coke is what combines with the organic residue on the coil and wicks and thus cleans them?
Perhaps the dilute orthophosphoric acid in Coke is what combines with the organic residue on the coil and wicks and thus cleans them?
your more than welcome Kurt, I'm really happy it worked for so many! And thanks to everybody that sent in their dead atty for the test!
Call it chemist's curiousity, but I've got a question; in your tests, did you try just a water/glycerine mixture (to compare to the Crest)? Seems to me that water+glycerine is probably 99%+ of the overall Crest mixture (with the 'active ingredient' being present only in trace amounts)
The reason I'm curious is because of two factors;
1) "Like dissolves like" is a chemistry truism. And glycerine is very close to PG (and VG of course), which would explain a lot of the cleaning action right there; anything made of, or easily dissolvable in, PG/VG should also dissolve in straight glycerine - and much of what doesn't like glycerine would be ionic stuff, and the water would get that.
2) Essentially, the question comes down to, if Crest works, what makes it work - because there's stuff in the Crest that you might not really want to vape later. If it's in fact the active ingredient (which is chemically a detergent or detergent-analog) that's doing a lot of the work, the issue might then turn on balancing cleaning performance versus safety/cost issues. A glycerine/water test compared to straight crest would resolve much of the "why it works" question in my mind, as none of the other crest ingredients (other than the QAC) should be really involved; it'd blow my mind if it turned out to actually be the colorant, for instance.
The reason I'm curious is because of two factors;
1) "Like dissolves like" is a chemistry truism. And glycerine is very close to PG (and VG of course), which would explain a lot of the cleaning action right there; anything made of, or easily dissolvable in, PG/VG should also dissolve in straight glycerine - and much of what doesn't like glycerine would be ionic stuff, and the water would get that.
2) Essentially, the question comes down to, if Crest works, what makes it work - because there's stuff in the Crest that you might not really want to vape later. If it's in fact the active ingredient (which is chemically a detergent or detergent-analog) that's doing a lot of the work, the issue might then turn on balancing cleaning performance versus safety/cost issues. A glycerine/water test compared to straight crest would resolve much of the "why it works" question in my mind, as none of the other crest ingredients (other than the QAC) should be really involved; it'd blow my mind if it turned out to actually be the colorant, for instance.
Just wanted to post my 2 cents for those of you who are impatient vapers like me. We always used a coke or alcohol bath (have yet to try the crest pro health but will try it soon - def w/ an alcohol bath after to get rid of the infamous minty taste). Afterward we rinse it under warm running water then blow it out using a small air compressor for less than a minute each (like the kind you use in the garage for bike tires, car tires, small air tools - far safer than canned air). Yea, you have to hold the the atty at almost an arm's length when blowing it out so as not to damage the parts, but this has worked like a charm for us every time. No 24 hour waiting period. Just a few minutes
My boyfriend and I share 10 attys and we're generally running all 10 at any given time because we want the convenience of grabbing any one of our preferred flavors. So we don't have the patience to wait that long for an atty to dry. This method has worked great for us. For those of you who don't already have this tool in your garage, buy it at Lowe's, Home Depot, etc for about $75 (not on sale) [Hint: if you want an instant coupon - go pick up a change-of-address form packet at your local post office - ours always has Lowe's & Home Depot coupons for at least 10% off - or just google search for some codes). If you have some cash to spare, it's totally worth it.
Just don't hold the air compressor nozzle right up against the atty...wayyyyy too mush pressure! For those of you who are mechanics, super-dads or super-husbands, you probably already have this tool at your disposal. Good luck!
My boyfriend and I share 10 attys and we're generally running all 10 at any given time because we want the convenience of grabbing any one of our preferred flavors. So we don't have the patience to wait that long for an atty to dry. This method has worked great for us. For those of you who don't already have this tool in your garage, buy it at Lowe's, Home Depot, etc for about $75 (not on sale) [Hint: if you want an instant coupon - go pick up a change-of-address form packet at your local post office - ours always has Lowe's & Home Depot coupons for at least 10% off - or just google search for some codes). If you have some cash to spare, it's totally worth it.
Just don't hold the air compressor nozzle right up against the atty...wayyyyy too mush pressure! For those of you who are mechanics, super-dads or super-husbands, you probably already have this tool at your disposal. Good luck!
I'm sorry, but what's an atty? (battery?)
Oh! (DUH) I think I just figured this out! Atty for Atomizer! (Right?)
* ... I SOOO did not want to be the Dumb Blonde in this Forum!
Well, this definitely worked for me.
I followed the instructions, got to see the Crest turn greenish with tiny black specks, then followed with the warm water rinse, THEN followed with a soak in denture cleaner.
Awesomely clean atties and NO minty after-taste. Re-priming wasn't much more difficult than after blowing out atties.
Thanks for posting about this method.
I followed the instructions, got to see the Crest turn greenish with tiny black specks, then followed with the warm water rinse, THEN followed with a soak in denture cleaner.
Awesomely clean atties and NO minty after-taste. Re-priming wasn't much more difficult than after blowing out atties.
Thanks for posting about this method.
I have literally tried every cleaning method recommended on this forum over the last year.
Let's see, I've tried - lemon juice, coke, diet coke, pepsi, alcohol, vodka, vinegar of all kinds, blowing, huffing, banging, electrocution, drying, cooking, boiling and finally throwing the damn thing in the trash and buying a new one.
The last method was the only successful method - buy a new one.
Until I read this thread.
All I had in the house was store brand (generic) Listerine Cool Mint. I thought what the heck I'm going to throw out these clogged attys out anyway. So I threw 5 of them in a glass poured in the mouthwash and soaked them about 15 minutes - swirling occasionally.
I rinsed them under warm water for about a minute. I dried them and primed them with 2-3 drops of VG and they are vaping like they were new.
THANK YOU SATTEC - THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!
Let's see, I've tried - lemon juice, coke, diet coke, pepsi, alcohol, vodka, vinegar of all kinds, blowing, huffing, banging, electrocution, drying, cooking, boiling and finally throwing the damn thing in the trash and buying a new one.
The last method was the only successful method - buy a new one.
Until I read this thread.
All I had in the house was store brand (generic) Listerine Cool Mint. I thought what the heck I'm going to throw out these clogged attys out anyway. So I threw 5 of them in a glass poured in the mouthwash and soaked them about 15 minutes - swirling occasionally.
I rinsed them under warm water for about a minute. I dried them and primed them with 2-3 drops of VG and they are vaping like they were new.
THANK YOU SATTEC - THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!
You're more than welcome! Thank you. Here's another little tip.....
You've all heard of blowing thru the battery port and blowing all the juice out. That is a very good tip. It really works good! I "back blew" an atty about 10 times and finally it started working perfect again! Each time I "back blew" it, I would burn off what was in the "burner pan area". It worked great for me! It really flushes the mesh out with air so you can reload and start fresh with new juice...I'm a dripper but I'm sure "back blowing" will work well for alot of atty's....use CPh every so often to kill the germs but "back blow" 'em as needed to restore airflow.....thanks everybody again, that sent in atty's for the test, you're number one! First time you back blow the atty, beware! you need a paper towel to catch the nasty stuff that runs out the cart end!
You've all heard of blowing thru the battery port and blowing all the juice out. That is a very good tip. It really works good! I "back blew" an atty about 10 times and finally it started working perfect again! Each time I "back blew" it, I would burn off what was in the "burner pan area". It worked great for me! It really flushes the mesh out with air so you can reload and start fresh with new juice...I'm a dripper but I'm sure "back blowing" will work well for alot of atty's....use CPh every so often to kill the germs but "back blow" 'em as needed to restore airflow.....thanks everybody again, that sent in atty's for the test, you're number one! First time you back blow the atty, beware! you need a paper towel to catch the nasty stuff that runs out the cart end!
you use your mouth and blow air through the atty from the battery connection end...REALLY, the airflow direction is from the batt end to the cart end, your just blowing about 10 times more air through the mesh when you blow into it from the battery end...got it now? Alot of very nasty stuff may run out so be ready, do that over and over until there is no vape at all, now your ready to start over, your pv is totally out of juice and your mesh is about as clean as it's gonna get with out a bath...
yeah..what he said, and don't use an air compressor to blow it out, too risky, there are delicate parts in there, big air pressure could screw it up. The "back blowing" is when your blowing the juice back where it came from. The mess is soaked with juice and no air can get through or reduced air flows are presnt. When you "blow back" the juice, into the boil bowl where it came from, you open up the mesh so air can enter when you draw on the pv....
Ok, I get it. I have a 901 atty that has reduced air flow, I already try cleaning it several times by back blowing it, but after a few vapes it gets "clugged" again. Maybe I'll try the mouthwash method, but I can't get any CrestPro in my country. What should I look for in a mouthwash sattec??
I don't know...non alcoholic seems to work well...just pick something that's ok for internal use....
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