Good. Anybody want to share their "seeding" experiences? Maybe we can come to a consensus on an adequate amount of "seed" needed to shorten steep times.
Shake, Stir, Heat, Vibrate or let it sit?
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Do you use a certain percentage of already "steeped/seeded" juice when making a new batch?
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I leave whatever is in a finished juice bottle, in it after it reaches the point it won't pour. How much? Dunno 1ml or so maybe. Same with my flavor bottles since I'm cutting them 50/50 with VG. I get steeping additions, if it is really happening as it should, from 2 different seeds and 1 pre-steep before I make an new mix. I don't rinse any botlles flavor or mixed. Just put new of the same back in. I don't get that horses rear-end flavor much anymore. It all smoothes out fairly quickly. I just can't get it with time alone doing the final mix steep. Not like vibrating it. The flavors never get as smooth. Maybe if I let them set 2 months but that's not been necessary for me to see. Can't wait that long.
I heat mildly at any point I add VG. I then heat every component. VG/PG/Flavors. Combine, shake. and heat again. Then vibrate it. No heat after that pretty much. Except Koolada. If you ever put Koolada in 50% VG you understand. If not, do it and you will (Just don't put alot If you don't already know). It's just a mass effect of what it tries to do in your final mix anyway. Koolada and VG do not like each other.
I remember the origional thread being referred to on seed steeping. I never thought much of it besides, "hey thats a good idea" and have been doing it infrequently since. Enough however to know that the official consensus in my mixing is that the more left in the bottle = faster results steeping wise. Its quite effective.
i just did a seed steep of tc1's Ecto-1 (without even realizing it). i decided to use the same bottle i used in my original mix as there was no need to use a new bottle or even wash the old one so i just made my mix in the "empty" bottle. it wasnt completely empty, but there was only a few drips left. the bottle still smelled heavily of the original mix.
i had planned on waiting the 4-5 weeks that it took the first batch to steep, but then after reading this thread, i decided to taste it right away- which was at about the 10 day mark. it tasted perfectly! cut my steep time considerably. very pleased
Seed steeping sounds like a good idea, but I must be doing something wrong
This stuff is barely vapeable!
This stuff is barely vapeable!
I messed up on a mix and added 6% flavor instead of 1% of one of the flavors it need. I put it on the shelf and forgot about it so it was fully steeped. I then added 5ml of that mix to 25ml of a fresh mix leaving out the flavor that I screwed up on which made the flavor %'s correct. I left it alone for 5 days then tasted it and it was perfectly steeped so I guess seed steeping works. Normally it takes over a month for that mix to steep.
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OK, I like where this is going. We're learning something here. So far nobody is saying seed steeping eliminates the need for steeping for recipes that need it, but it does cut it down to a reasonable time period. And we've learned that 440BB has some very odd vaping habits.
I guess that would be the correct assumption. Being that I still have pleanty of my messed up mix left I could experiment and mix some more up and taste test it each day to try to determine how log it actually takes. On the positive side I'll have pleanty of juice to spill all over myself and waste by overfilling my cartos. maybe even manage to spill a ml or two making those anoying spots on the rug that will piss off the wife
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No need for advice I'm an old pro at it and I get plenty of motivation listening to the screaming coming over my left shoulder as I'm on all 4's scrubbing.
And as for 440BB's mix. May mot vape worth a dam but looks like it would taste great in a salad.
And as for 440BB's mix. May mot vape worth a dam but looks like it would taste great in a salad.
That's the results I'm getting. It seems to blend faster when I add the VG to the PG flavors. Even the dark stff. I'm assuming that result is because there is not as much new liquid to infuse the flavor with so it doesn't take as long. I have removed steps I am doing and changing whether I'm using a pre-steep or normal flavor. Needless to say I'm bouncing it around in different variations of with this and without that.
The best result is presenting with pre-steep flavors 50/50 being put in a bottle that already had the same in it with seed left. Then leaving seed in my final blend bottle and making the mix out of the 50/50 flavor. 1 pre-steep and 2 seeds. Can't tell the difference in a control bottle that's been setting 2 weeks made normally and a bottle I made 3 days ago fresh. Been waiting 2 weeks to do that. The 3 day bottle is smoother even. But I didn't vibrate the control and I did the new bottle.
The best result is presenting with pre-steep flavors 50/50 being put in a bottle that already had the same in it with seed left. Then leaving seed in my final blend bottle and making the mix out of the 50/50 flavor. 1 pre-steep and 2 seeds. Can't tell the difference in a control bottle that's been setting 2 weeks made normally and a bottle I made 3 days ago fresh. Been waiting 2 weeks to do that. The 3 day bottle is smoother even. But I didn't vibrate the control and I did the new bottle.
I reuse the same glass bottle for the same flavor being made again. When theres an inch or so left in a 60 mil bottle I will make another batch right into the same bottle.
So, yes.
Have you noticed or been able to nail down an amount of time this saves. As I said I just recently noticed it took 5 days instead of a month but I did'nt taste it before five days.
Was my bad for not trying it before 5 days so I'm tempted to try this again and taste it every day to see if I can nail down a closer time for my particular mix.
how about steeping just the flavors together, then adding that to your nic+PG/VG? does anyone do that? im wondering if the steep process is more of the flavors melding, or more of the flavors fully infiltrating the nic/pg/vg. perhaps both.
in other words, say youve got a recipe- 5% this and 8% of that and 3% some other thing. say you mix the flavors together in a large enough amount to where you have enough on hand for multiple batches down the road. would you think the flavors melding together would lessen the steep time? this combined with a seed steep could result in ultra-fast steepage.
in other words, say youve got a recipe- 5% this and 8% of that and 3% some other thing. say you mix the flavors together in a large enough amount to where you have enough on hand for multiple batches down the road. would you think the flavors melding together would lessen the steep time? this combined with a seed steep could result in ultra-fast steepage.
Not a good idea you want to meld the flavors with the PG/VG/NIC as well as with each flavor. So steep the final mix and not just the flavors. I've also seen the question about just steeping just the PG/VG and add the flavors later which is also pointless.
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So, how long has it been since that bottle has been cleaned good? That concerns me a little.
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