Shake, Stir, Heat, Vibrate or let it sit?

[psycheval]

how about steeping just the flavors together, then adding that to your nic+PG/VG? does anyone do that? im wondering if the steep process is more of the flavors melding, or more of the flavors fully infiltrating the nic/pg/vg. perhaps both.

in other words, say youve got a recipe- 5% this and 8% of that and 3% some other thing. say you mix the flavors together in a large enough amount to where you have enough on hand for multiple batches down the road. would you think the flavors melding together would lessen the steep time? this combined with a seed steep could result in ultra-fast steepage.

The biggest issue is getting them into the base VG/PG. The flavor package already assembled is on my list to test. Don't need to make anything right now. I already got juice running out my ears from the line of testing I'm on!!!! But I'll do it like I'm doing individual flavors.
IE:
2ml Flavor 1
2ml Flavor 2
2ml Flavor 3
equals 6ml combined PG base flavoring then add 6ml VG base. Just same amount VG to however much total PG. Add something though PG or VG base I wouldn't do just pure flavor with nothing added to infuse into.
That might very well get a better smoothing of the flavors in the final mix.

 

[psycheval]

So, how long has it been since that bottle has been cleaned good? That concerns me a little.

Shouldn't matter unless it's months. Lots of them. As long as your not contaminating it shelf life is going to be just like normal base liquids. No different than vapiing a bottle of juice 3-4 months old would be. Nothing should be wrong with that unless it was contaminated with something before capping.

 

[psycheval]

Yep for over 40 years now. Age does not make you loose your hearing marrage does.

I've had mine for 25. I have found that a catatonic state on my part will seemingly reduce the amount of background noise to an acceptable level. Just don't move and don't talk. Give it a few minutes and it goes away. If your lucky.

 

[dannyv45]

So, how long has it been since that bottle has been cleaned good? That concerns me a little.

If your constantly refilling the same bottle your constantly refreshing the bottle. If the bottle sits empty uncapped for a log period of time then there may be a concern. But constantly refilling the bottle I don't think theres much of a concern. I would clean it maybe after the 4th or 5th fill.

 

[dannyv45]

I have found that a catatonic state on my part will seemingly reduce the amount of background noise to an acceptable level.

So does a really loud TV and lots of beer

 

[DeeDee1234]

Sounds kinda yucky to me!

Like using the same pan over and over and never cleaning it for months on end.

 

[psycheval]

Sounds kinda yucky to me!

Like using the same pan over and over and never cleaning it for months on end.

It's kind of like a bbq grill or coffee pot in a real good truck stop cafe. It gets nasty clean it. But till it's been growing at least a week anything on it won't hurt you even if it hasn't been cleaned in months. Seasoning the skillet does the same type thing. Taste funky with a clean coffee pot. Don't clean it for a week or more and it just keeps getting better. Nothing there to get funky unless you contaminate it in some way. I have an omelet pan (teflon) that would cause me to have a apopleptic fit if somebody cleaned it with anything but a dry rag or paper towel. I wash the outside but the inside gets nothing but rag. It gets wiped clean after each use.
Short is the components in juice are not going to get funky for a very long period of time as long as they are not contaminated. If the bottle never had anything but juice in it it can't be dirty.
My mother being the good southern wife she is also has a fit over cleanliness after things have been used. You can eat off her kitchen floor too. Slobs like me think it's good to go as long as it's not moving.

 

[DeeDee1234]

Kinda reminds me of a sour dough starter ya'll are trying to make. However, With a sour dough starter you are keeping the living bacteria (good bacteria) and pulling some out to make the next batch of bread.

I don't understand why seed steeping works. It doesm't make sense. Thier shouldn't be any biological changes like the sour dough.

 

[Hoosier]

DeeDee, you have nailed the conundrum right on the head. I doesn't make sense, but it works. Now if only it could be explained we may reveal something amazing. (Like what exactly is going on, or why some mixes need steeping and some don't, or what steeping really does.)

 

[zoiDman]

Kinda reminds me of a sour dough starter ya'll are trying to make. However, With a sour dough starter you are keeping the living bacteria (good bacteria) and pulling some out to make the next batch of bread.

I don't understand why seed steeping works. It doesm't make sense. Thier shouldn't be any biological changes like the sour dough.

Maybe it isn't Biological. Maybe it is Chemical.

Reagent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[DeeDee1234]

Isn't there a chemist in the house.

 

[zoiDman]

Isn't there a chemist in the house.

I hear you.

I suggested that the Next Mod that the ECF takes on should be a Chemist.

LOL

 

[Red_Bird]

Have you noticed or been able to nail down an amount of time this saves. As I said I just recently noticed it took 5 days instead of a month but I did'nt taste it before five days.

Was my bad for not trying it before 5 days so I'm tempted to try this again and taste it every day to see if I can nail down a closer time for my particular mix.

Never timed it, Danny.

My wife quit vaping at a time when I had over 600 mill steeped....so most of my bottles have an inch or two of 7 month old "seeded" eliquid in them.

I trade my "stash" of eliquid with forum members once in awhile but it moves slow. I can only vape 6-7 mil a day. And I make a new juice every 2 weeks or so.

I would be willing to bet though, they would be ready to vape within 3 days. And change color completely.

 

[psycheval]

I think we see seeding work because it's easier for a like molecule thats already infused with flavor to penetrate a like molecule that is not infused. The seed has had all the work done already at the molecular level. It doesn't have to do anything. It just helps penetrate the flavors and nic into the new.
In other words PG takes little to no steep because most of your flavors are PG base. Their already able to penetrate new PG.
VG takes longer because you are trying to force a PG infused molecule to infuse into a VG. Their entropy rates are different. They are different. If you already have some VG that the work is done on it opens the door so to speak on the new VG. VG is plant fat. Fat does not take flavor unless you do something to it.

 

[psycheval]

I'm going from empty bottle(- seed residue) to ready to vape in 48hrs with what I'm doing folks. If I'd oxidize it more at once it would happen in less than 24.

 

[eikon]

stir, stir, stir, then stir some more... I have a magnetic stir plate, and an industrial grade ultrasonic cleaner. I get the same effect with 12 hours in an erlenmeyer flask on the stir plate, as I do with, 3-6 hours in any container in the ultrasonic.

The temporal differential absolutely is worth it, I would rather hear the occasional low frequency 'tinking' of the stir rod then the constant high frequency 'buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz'of the USC.

 

[psycheval]

stir, stir, stir, then stir some more... I have a magnetic stir plate, and an industrial grade ultrasonic cleaner. I get the same effect with 12 hours in an erlenmeyer flask on the stir plate, as I do with, 3-6 hours in any container in the ultrasonic.

The temporal differential absolutely is worth it, I would rather hear the occasional low frequency 'tinking' of the stir rod then the constant high frequency 'buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz'of the USC.

I put it in a bottle and stick it in my tumbler for 3-4 hrs. Let it set for 3-4hrs after vibrating it with cap off. Next morning it's ready. So 12hrs is about what I get in mine. 24hrs and I have no doubts. That tumbler I use makes a low dull hum. You can stay in the same room with it and forget it's there.
That's what this thread is really about is all the ways to accelerate this. I'm looking at everything anybody can come up with that even remotely makes sense. Got some folks watching this thread with lots of experience mixing. Any method used to do anything would be good info.

 

[dannyv45]

I took a fresh batch of my usual mix which had been steeping about 3 days. It needs a good month to steep. I had a 3ml clearo that had about .05mil of the old stuff left. Just for the heck of it I filled it with my new mix shook it up and let it sit and notice it turned to is fully dark steeped color in just about a day and a half and tasted fully steeped. Not that this is a scientific test or anything but to me it seems to work.

 

[psycheval]

I took a fresh batch of my usual mix which had been steeping about 3 days. It needs a good month to steep. I had a 3ml clearo that had about .05mil of the old stuff left. Just for the heck of it I filled it with my new mix shook it up and let it sit and notice it turned to is fully dark steeped color in just about a day and a half and tasted fully steeped. Not that this is a scientific test or anything but to me it seems to work.

I'm waiting to get ready to make my next batch. I'm not where I can make a batch and not get into my backup nic. I am going to look at this myself when I do. I have noticed some stuff with my wifes vape. I don't like vanilla and her's has it in it so I don't sample it but every now and then. But I had a bottle of hers that didn't get all the tricks put on it and was made the simple way. It got mixed with about 5-6 ml of older juice when it was put in her 15ml dropper bottle. I don't need to make a new batch so can't make a control bottle yet.

 

[AngelsBreath]