Sneak Peak: The Hybrid 306/510 Atomizer

[AlmightyGod]

Could be several things...

Running them dry will cause buildup on the coil faster than if they are kept wet. Darker juice will also cause buildup.

Have you metered them to see if the resistance is still good?

 

[tierrataz]

AG, have you noticed certain sweeteners cause issues also? There is one vendors juice that seems to clog my attys quicker than any other even thought they are pretty clear. I've mostly gone to DIY so I know what is in there. I'm a picky so and so That and the fact I now have issues with several flavorings as well as VG.

The flooding info was shared with me in a convo I had w/ vendor. I'm referring to real flooding, not well wetted. Once I stopped trying to vape through floods, my attys started to last months rather than weeks. The only time I have been able to flood this BF atty is on the Vmod and that was rather hard to do.

 

[Curganelli]

Could be several things...

Running them dry will cause buildup on the coil faster than if they are kept wet. Darker juice will also cause buildup.

Have you metered them to see if the resistance is still good?

I think i was running it way to dry and might of burnt them out... I just opened a fresh one and realized i could put 10--12 drops in there from the start without having a gurgle to it... these attys hold alot of juice...

Im going to keep this one sopping wet and see how it does...

im stopping by the hardware store ofter work to get a mulitmeter, ill post the readings later tonight...

happy vapping!

 

[AlmightyGod]

They do hold a lot of juice.

I've recommended putting the condom on the threaded end & filling the Hybrid with juice & letting it sit for 30 minutes. The wicking action of the mesh needs time, since there is no primer in the Hybrid.

The price for all that flavor is a higher juice consumption rate.

 

[chet]

The short lived hybrids have been the ones where the coil has been squashed or moved to one side.
The hybrids with "pretty" looking coils (like the pics) are lasting forever.
Same with the vapor producing ability of the atty.
Look at your coil....is it centered and the coils spread apart?

I've never had a problem with flooding the crap out of a 306 either.
I think it actually makes them last longer and acquire less goop on the coil.
The wetter the better is my motto...

Reading this post I dug through my trash can, took those three short lived atties out and looked inside again. They were all either off centered or coils intact with another. The one I'm vaping isn't much better either. I also looked at the two that I haven't used yet... and damn it... one of them has coils wraped as far off to one side as possible.
I have a bad feeling on that one particularly. I'll see if I can post some pictures tonight.

 

[oldblue]

I took a look at the 2 I had in use and the 2 new ones I have and they all seem pretty off. Contacted Vapage and they want me to mail them back on my dime and time for RMA. I think I'll just save the time and money and hold off on their products until they have the newer versions out. Such a tease because the hybrids and VMod work very well together when they worked. And the CS, in my case, has been mediocre from start to finish with regards to the atties and VMod.

Edit to add: the 2 I have used both died within the past 24 hrs after about 10 days of rotating them

 

[Katdarling]

I have popped one atty and one only since January. That was during my "I have to do the atty resurrection method on all my atts!" stage. Keep them wet, but it's fine balancing act between wet and flooded. I think as we vape more (longer) we just start to get a sense of where we are on the dry - flood continuum.

That is not to say that I still use every single atty I've ever purchased. Some died quietly in their sleep...

Oldblue, don't give up on the attys, the VMOD or Vapage. I think there are some incredible surprises waiting for us just around the corner.

 

[Angler]

This is just the way I see it: On second thought I'm not going there. I'll just bump the thread and keep my mouth shut.

 

[Katdarling]

Huh? Whatcha mean, Angler?

 

[oldblue]

I have popped one atty and one only since January. That was during my "I have to do the atty resurrection method on all my atts!" stage. Keep them wet, but it's fine balancing act between wet and flooded. I think as we vape more (longer) we just start to get a sense of where we are on the dry - flood continuum.

That is not to say that I still use every single atty I've ever purchased. Some died quietly in their sleep...

Oldblue, don't give up on the attys, the VMOD or Vapage. I think there are some incredible surprises waiting for us just around the corner.

I'm a new member here but not quite as new to vaping. Have been using mainly atties during my stint. I have a decent gauge of dry/wet even on limited use of 306s. I have had acceptable life out of most others I have tried. It's all moot though as I am not the only one to have experienced and been frustrated with the life of these hybrids. I believe there are great things around the corner and that's what I'm waiting to see. I have all the problematic first gen atties/mod. And, in my case, the CS pertaining to the crack in my Vmod, lack of o rings in my kit, and short life of atties were barely existent. I received a response pertaining to the o rings that they would send me one right away(that was over a week ago), which I have not gotten, and the mentioned response to the atties. Again, these are my experiences and as much as I want to fanboy this thing I just can't put that out there for other potential buyers.

 

[chet]

yeah...
I love the way it performs when it works, but there seems to be too many under-quality ones.
Feels like I was a beta tester at my own cost... maybe they should've offered introductory price rates until they get fully tested by users. I can't wait to see their improved versions though.
These are very newbie-friendly atties after all. I'm glad somebody came up with this whole design.

 

[Angler]

Huh? Whatcha mean, Angler?

Well, these are atomizers but for some reason there are some people who expect them to be under lifetime warranty. Everybody uses attys differently and one persons view on how to use them correctly is just that, a view. If I'm using an atty for a week or two and suddenly it just "pops" I probably ran that atty too dry. If the coil doesn't look good but it lasts for ten or twelve days and then "pops" is it because the coil doesn't look good or because I ran it dry. I sent one back to COV from my first order that I never used because it was so far out of spec. and still haven't heard a word from them but Brian said he would take care of that next week and I'm cool with that. What I'm saying is, and this is just me, I wouldn't expect an atty to be guaranteed for more than a day at most. If one lasts me a day then it's probably me who ruined it not to mention attys are disposable devices.jmho
Al

 

[Angler]

I forgot to include that it took me awhile to learn how to use LR attys.

 

[oldblue]

Well, these are atomizers but for some reason there are some people who expect them to be under lifetime warranty. Everybody uses attys differently and one persons view on how to use them correctly is just that, a view. If I'm using an atty for a week or two and suddenly it just "pops" I probably ran that atty too dry. If the coil doesn't look good but it lasts for ten or twelve days and then "pops" is it because the coil doesn't look good or because I ran it dry. I sent one back to COV from my first order that I never used because it was so far out of spec. and still haven't heard a word from them but Brian said he would take care of that next week and I'm cool with that. What I'm saying is, and this is just me, I wouldn't expect an atty to be guaranteed for more than a day at most. If one lasts me a day then it's probably me who ruined it not to mention attys are disposable devices.jmho
Al

Where did I or anyone else expect a "lifetime warranty"? So you are saying we are asking too much for a device to work more than a few days? It's all user error when it's been reported by more than one person? If it weren't noted as a less than ideal quality control batch, I would just walk away and put on my do not buy list. But like chet said, "Feels like I was a beta tester at my own cost".

 

[KiloWatts]

In response to the coil-issue, I'm took a look at my Universal Hybrid and sure enough, the coil is actually all the way to the side and actually sticking up over the mesh. The atty still works, but the draw has gotten impossibly stiff and produces very wispy vapor - which basically means I'm not using it.

So, not a user error, but a design flaw. While a replacement would be nice, who's to say I wouldn't receive another one with the same problem?

I'll wait for version 2 - and let some others be the guinea pigs. When it worked, it was pretty awesome! So hopefully the next round gets it right....

 

[KiloWatts]

Update: Well, I decided to try it one last time, and the darn thing popped. Right on cue... Ah well!

 

[Angler]

Where did I or anyone else expect a "lifetime warranty"? So you are saying we are asking too much for a device to work more than a few days? It's all user error when it's been reported by more than one person? If it weren't noted as a less than ideal quality control batch, I would just walk away and put on my do not buy list. But like chet said, "Feels like I was a beta tester at my own cost".

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The quality control issues came up after people started reporting them on this thread and that's cool and it's also cool that Vapage is doing something about it and replacing them with, apparently, no questions asked. I just don't think it's a quality control issue after a week or two of use no matter what the coil "looks" like. Again, jmho. If COV had half the customer support that Vapage has I might consider buying something from them again. I just had to add the COV thing because I don't like it much when people don't have time to reply to my messages but they have plenty of time to take my money.

 

[oldblue]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The quality control issues came up after people started reporting them on this thread and that's cool and it's also cool that Vapage is doing something about it and replacing them with, apparently, no questions asked. I just don't think it's a quality control issue after a week or two of use no matter what the coil "looks" like. Again, jmho. If COV had half the customer support that Vapage has I might consider buying something from them again. I just had to add the COV thing because I don't like it much when people don't have time to reply to my messages but they have plenty of time to take my money.

Not sure if you're serious with this post as satire is lost on me over the internet. Customer service is such a case by case issue. I feel the way about Vapage as you do about COV. I just didn't base my opinion on one instance of interaction with them.

 

[Angler]

Not sure if you're serious with this post as satire is lost on me over the internet. Customer service is such a case by case issue. I feel the way about Vapage as you do about COV. I just didn't base my opinion on one instance of interaction with them.

Yeah, it's hard for me to communicate on the internet. I try to write the way I talk but it doesn't come out like that. I tried my best to contact COV by phone and message and I even ordered two more Hybrids from them after that so I just feel like I have tried enough. At least Brian returns my e-mails.
I should have stuck to my previous post and kept my mouth shut. But hey, this is a very informative thread no matter how you look at it. I'm glad everyone is giving there opinions on the whole Hybrid story. This is history in the making.

 

[oldblue]

Yeah, it's hard for me to communicate on the internet. I try to write the way I talk but it doesn't come out like that. I tried my best to contact COV by phone and message and I even ordered two more Hybrids from them after that so I just feel like I have tried enough. At least Brian returns my e-mails.
I should have stuck to my previous post and kept my mouth shut. But hey, this is a very informative thread no matter how you look at it. I'm glad everyone is giving there opinions on the whole Hybrid story. This is history in the making.

I for one am glad you didn't keep it shut. It allowed me to take a different look and come to terms with the idea that it's all case by case no matter where you shop or what you shop for. It's just the growing pains of this industry. And, as I stated earlier, I will be returning to these atties(even if nothing were to change). It's just too good of a vape and feed for me not too.