Still smoking support and chat thread

[aikanae1]

Thx bunches for your run down. I use the atomizers for testing liquids DIY only and that's it largely because I can't see myself dripping through the day. I know myself. If it's not convient then I'm doomed. But it's sure tempting.

I think I'm getting tired.

Aik. Take what I say with a grain of salt because I have very limited experience with RBAs or RDAs or whatever you call them. The only drippers I have used are the Joy3 510 attys at 2.3ohm.

I have an Igo-L that a friend gifted me and built me a 2.2ohm coil on it with cotton. I started it clean with 15 drops of my Caramel Pear Black Tea and it is better than my my 510 atty, but different. More vapor. I am getting more sweetness than tea. With the 510 atty I was getting less sweetness and a clear black tea on exhale. When I refill the Igo-L I drip 10 drops since there is residual liquid in it. You do not want to let it get dry - some definite nastiness there. I am liking the Igo-L. Mine does not have the air hole drilled out larger. If I knew how I think I would do that. There seems to be a lot more air flow/volume passing through the atty. Different experience.

The second RDA I have is the little Smok Tech mini RDA. It looks like a little aluminum beehive. I do not know what this is supposed to be built out to or how many drops it holds. I am not even sure if what I have is that atty. The top screws on to the base, which I like better than having to pull off the Igo-L top. I built a 3.0ohm microcoil and use a cotton ball wick. I have been vaping it all night with Smooth Criminal, a tobacco. Again, much more vapor than my 510 atty. More airflow/volume. The taste of the tobacco is closer to the same as my 510 atty. That may just be the juices I am using in both attys.

I like both the Igo-L and the Smok Tech mini rda. I will never give up my Joye 510 attys and since I bought a lot of them I do not have to. The RDAs that I am using are a different experience than a 510 atty. I like that they will hold 10 to 15 drops (or more) of juice at one time so I am not dripping every minute or two. The flavor seems more intense but if you do not line the coil up right with the airhole you get almost no flavor. More work and more chance of error with the rda/rbas. Ease of use my 510 atty all day long. No thought process at all for me anymore.

I just got my Russian 91% this past weekend. I have not even taken it apart yet. I am still playing with the little guys to learn to make coils and how much cotton to use in a wick. I am not going to fill the Russian with over 4ml of my favorite juice to find out I do not know how to build a coil right or how much cotton to use. So, one step at a time.

I would buy and Igo-L and a Smok Tech mini rda. They are both pretty cheap and have a nice clear deck to build on. Much larger and easier than an evod or protank head. I tried rebuilding those and I can not and will not do it. Not worth the aggravation for me.

That Artistic Wire Gizmo thingy made the coil making easy for me. Now I am getting used to mounting the coil on the devices. It is close work and I have to train my hands to play with the tiny things. But I have gotten 2 of my first 4 coils to work successfully. I am still zeroing in on how to get the right ohms. So I am keeping notes on what gauge wire and how many wraps gives me what ohms.

I would go for it. If I can do this and figure it out you can. I am actually enjoying it. Get addled a bit if I have to fiddle a lot to mount the thing. But so far I am quite pleased with the outcome.

 

[aikanae1]

I have one that looks just like it (got it in a trade so do not know what it is) and it is the same diameter of my Igo-L and a good 1/4 inch taller. So what I have is not the mini?

This is confusing. But thanks Alisa. I hate to give out wrong info. Now I have to figure out what I have again. Oh well.

FT has a number of them that look similar too.

Had another one of these yesterday.
The downside of 80F and sunny.

 

[etherealink]

OK, I'm home early and would like to clear this up. Not only because its my pet peeve (misleading information not from you, Shari, from inconsistent terminology )
but because we get nowhere when we are confused or using a million different terms for the same thing (I had to tell the local b&m the same thing).

Please forgive me if you know all of the following or if its been too long staring at idiots driving stupidly.

I have one that looks just like it (got it in a trade so do not know what it is) and it is the same diameter of my Igo-L and a good 1/4 inch taller. So what I have is not the mini?

This is confusing. But thanks Alisa. I hate to give out wrong info. Now I have to figure out what I have again. Oh well.

That looks like the cheapy I got at Fasttech! I like it, but it's a bit messy and very, VERY small...

A RDA is a rebuildable "dripping" atomizer. Meaning that you drip directly on the wick/coil package and there is no tank involved.

Shari, Alisa- both the Igo-l and the Smoktek mini RDA are exactly that, RDA's. As for the one you got in trade Shari, most mini RDA's or drippers were designed after full size (20-22mm diameter) and some went the other way around.

Aik. Take what I say with a grain of salt because I have very limited experience with RBAs or RDAs or whatever you call them. The only drippers I have used are the Joy3 510 attys at 2.3ohm.

I have an Igo-L that a friend gifted me and built me a 2.2ohm coil on it with cotton. I started it clean with 15 drops... ...better than my my 510 atty, but different. I am liking the Igo-L. Mine does not have the air hole drilled out larger. If I knew how I think I would do that...

...The second RDA I have is the little Smok Tech mini RDA. It looks like a little aluminum beehive...

...I just got my Russian 91% this past weekend. I have not even taken it apart yet...

...I would buy and Igo-L and a Smok Tech mini rda...

...That Artistic Wire Gizmo thingy made the coil making easy for me. Now I am getting used to mounting the coil on the devices....

...I am still zeroing in on how to get the right ohms. So I am keeping notes on what gauge wire and how many wraps gives me what ohms...

...I would go for it. If I can do this and figure it out you can.

Now, I don't have any experience with 510 atty so I won't comment but yes RDA/RBA's are different and require more interaction but can give incredible flavor so they are definitely not the first thing to pick up if you are not good with electronics or working with small tools & things.

The Igo-L is one of the most simple RDA's that exists and is a great "starter" dripper. Several reasons, its decently priced at around $10 or below and is still "normal" sized as a 20mm RDA so it gives you some room to work with.

IMO, the mini drippers (like the Smoktek mini and even the firefly I just ordered) tend to be more complicated to work with and more messy... both for the same reason - they are mini. Also since they are mini they tend to be a bit more flimsy than their larger cousins since they have to be made from smaller materials and in smaller dimensions. However, when you are used to them the small size can translate into incredible flavor.

Now, speaking about RBA's or rebuildable atomizers - which generally have a tank of some kind - are basically a dripper (like the Igo-l) but adding a tank so no dripping.

As far as buying both the Igo and the mini, if you can build it normal sized the mini is easy, but you may want to start with something "normal" sized so you have more room to play with as you learn.

I wind coils by hand with an Allen wrench (hex key) so I didn't even look at the gizmo, but I would suggest a cheap Walmart/ dollar store set of Allen wrenches for one reason, putting the coil on the deck. After you build the coil (using the gizmo, at least) slip in an Allen wrench that is snug and use it to help position the coil and keep its shape as you mount it.

Shari, if you have a smartphone or android tablet take a look at the app "vapers toolbox" tons of useful info about coil building and its free.

And yes, Aik, you can do it. I'd be happy to send you a few coils and walk you through a few till you get the hang of it. Honestly, there is nothing like the flavor of fresh dripped flavor.

OK, unintentional rant over and happy pills taken. Sorry we got into this on the radio tonight, I'll go to bed now.

 

[alisa1970]

I have one that looks just like it (got it in a trade so do not know what it is) and it is the same diameter of my Igo-L and a good 1/4 inch taller. So what I have is not the mini?

This is confusing. But thanks Alisa. I hate to give out wrong info. Now I have to figure out what I have again. Oh well.

Huh? Yes, it's a mini--I have a generic clone that looks like yours. But vent hole's on the side. They call em a squid. All I was sayin' is that we have the same thing (sorta). Oh well, sorry to confuse you.

 

[darksparkle13]

I have the little squid as well, but only use it when I want to taste new flavors, I can't imagine dripping all day unless I am at home and close to my supplies, I actually use a nail 8-10 wraps and it's good to go, I use natural cotton, this weekend going to try using natural cotton yarn, it's already twisted if you will, I used the yarn to replace the wick on my I clear 16 and it turned out wonderful, flavor is more flavorful for more vg based liquid! Just my experience

 

[Uncle]

@ "ShariR" - Although I am still very hesitant to get involved with RBA/RDA's, "You" give "Me" some incouragement that I might actually be able to and even rebuild the first RDA (Yes - an "RDA" - see I paid attention "ethe") in a Co-Op last week . . . Thanks

@ "ethe" - Rant all Ya' want . . . I agree - It does get very fraustrating when "You" see different apreveations/terms being used for the same type of item, especially when "You" are not as knowledgable as those talking about them . . . Now - Just make sure "You" get out there and get the rest of ECF to use the same terminology too . . .

 

[Claudia P]

I haven't tried the same attys that you have other than the 510, the problem I find with that one is the ones I have leak if I over fill and I always manage to over fill. lol

I have a Trident clone and an Origen clone and love both very much, I have two new ones coming in the next few days and we'll see how I like them. Since I got my CV1 Virtus mech mod I decided I wanted an authentic RDA rather than just clones so I have a Patriot coming that is a gift from friends, and yesterday I lost my mind and ordered an authentic Brass Monkey.

On the Trident I am using a single coil 28g Kanthal and I gave dual coils a try on the Origen, mostly because the Origen clone goofed on the air holes and didn't make it exactly like the authentic where you could set the airflow for a single coil. I am using 30 g for the dual coils because it takes more Kanthal to make the higher ohm coils that you have to make for duals, and that takes longer to heat up with the bigger wire.

I am using 1.2 ohm on both, it gives a little more vapor and flavor than higher ohms yet is well within a safe range. Dual coils require that you make two coils, each being twice the ohms than you want, so I make two 2.4 ohm coils to end up with 1.2. I don't pretend to understand, or want to understand why that is, I just accept it. lol

Again like Shari says if I can do this anyone with any amount of control over their fingers and a good magnifying pair of glasses or visor can.

I'm not ready to try a RBA yet and not really sure I ever will, I just read too much about people having problems getting them to work right and I'm not ready for that amount of frustration. For now what I'm using in working very well but I reserve the right to change my mind at any time. lol

Aik. Take what I say with a grain of salt because I have very limited experience with RBAs or RDAs or whatever you call them. The only drippers I have used are the Joy3 510 attys at 2.3ohm.

I have an Igo-L that a friend gifted me and built me a 2.2ohm coil on it with cotton. I started it clean with 15 drops of my Caramel Pear Black Tea and it is better than my my 510 atty, but different. More vapor. I am getting more sweetness than tea. With the 510 atty I was getting less sweetness and a clear black tea on exhale. When I refill the Igo-L I drip 10 drops since there is residual liquid in it. You do not want to let it get dry - some definite nastiness there. I am liking the Igo-L. Mine does not have the air hole drilled out larger. If I knew how I think I would do that. There seems to be a lot more air flow/volume passing through the atty. Different experience.

The second RDA I have is the little Smok Tech mini RDA. It looks like a little aluminum beehive. I do not know what this is supposed to be built out to or how many drops it holds. I am not even sure if what I have is that atty. The top screws on to the base, which I like better than having to pull off the Igo-L top. I built a 3.0ohm microcoil and use a cotton ball wick. I have been vaping it all night with Smooth Criminal, a tobacco. Again, much more vapor than my 510 atty. More airflow/volume. The taste of the tobacco is closer to the same as my 510 atty. That may just be the juices I am using in both attys.

I like both the Igo-L and the Smok Tech mini rda. I will never give up my Joye 510 attys and since I bought a lot of them I do not have to. The RDAs that I am using are a different experience than a 510 atty. I like that they will hold 10 to 15 drops (or more) of juice at one time so I am not dripping every minute or two. The flavor seems more intense but if you do not line the coil up right with the airhole you get almost no flavor. More work and more chance of error with the rda/rbas. Ease of use my 510 atty all day long. No thought process at all for me anymore.

I just got my Russian 91% this past weekend. I have not even taken it apart yet. I am still playing with the little guys to learn to make coils and how much cotton to use in a wick. I am not going to fill the Russian with over 4ml of my favorite juice to find out I do not know how to build a coil right or how much cotton to use. So, one step at a time.

I would buy and Igo-L and a Smok Tech mini rda. They are both pretty cheap and have a nice clear deck to build on. Much larger and easier than an evod or protank head. I tried rebuilding those and I can not and will not do it. Not worth the aggravation for me.

That Artistic Wire Gizmo thingy made the coil making easy for me. Now I am getting used to mounting the coil on the devices. It is close work and I have to train my hands to play with the tiny things. But I have gotten 2 of my first 4 coils to work successfully. I am still zeroing in on how to get the right ohms. So I am keeping notes on what gauge wire and how many wraps gives me what ohms.

I would go for it. If I can do this and figure it out you can. I am actually enjoying it. Get addled a bit if I have to fiddle a lot to mount the thing. But so far I am quite pleased with the outcome.

 

[ShariR]

etherealink. Thank you so much for that information. I have done tons of reading here and on many different websites. The same thing may be called something different by different people. I am new enough at this to be in a perpetual state of confusion. I hate the ambiguity of the terminology also. I am having a hard enough time trying to get all this right and once I think I know something, it changes again.

I know my Igo-L is an Igo-L. When I read Alisa's post about the Smok Tech mini being tiny, I compared mine with the Igo-L side by side. They are about the same diameter, with the ST being taller. I would not be surprised if I have something from Fasttech, the one I have looks pretty cheap, but it works.

I went on Fasttech to check out RDA and RBA; there are so many, called by so many different names that I do not know what is what. Lots of them look similar. I will not rely on FT for the name or description of anything. A clone of a clone of a clone, or their take on it. Bah!

Now I am seeing a few people calling the Kayfun/Russian and similar setups/attys RTAs. Rebuildable tank atomizers. So what is an RBA this week. Very confusing. I like to be precise in my descriptions. Sometimes I find it hard or almost impossible.

So, I get your pet peeve and do share it. I am sorry if I caused you any agita. I keep learning every day. I try to pass on the most solid info I can.

OK, I'm home early and would like to clear this up. Not only because its my pet peeve (misleading information not from you, Shari, from inconsistent terminology )
but because we get nowhere when we are confused or using a million different terms for the same thing (I had to tell the local b&m the same thing).

Please forgive me if you know all of the following or if its been too long staring at idiots driving stupidly.





A RDA is a rebuildable "dripping" atomizer. Meaning that you drip directly on the wick/coil package and there is no tank involved.

Shari, Alisa- both the Igo-l and the Smoktek mini RDA are exactly that, RDA's. As for the one you got in trade Shari, most mini RDA's or drippers were designed after full size (20-22mm diameter) and some went the other way around.



Now, I don't have any experience with 510 atty so I won't comment but yes RDA/RBA's are different and require more interaction but can give incredible flavor so they are definitely not the first thing to pick up if you are not good with electronics or working with small tools & things.

The Igo-L is one of the most simple RDA's that exists and is a great "starter" dripper. Several reasons, its decently priced at around $10 or below and is still "normal" sized as a 20mm RDA so it gives you some room to work with.

IMO, the mini drippers (like the Smoktek mini and even the firefly I just ordered) tend to be more complicated to work with and more messy... both for the same reason - they are mini. Also since they are mini they tend to be a bit more flimsy than their larger cousins since they have to be made from smaller materials and in smaller dimensions. However, when you are used to them the small size can translate into incredible flavor.

Now, speaking about RBA's or rebuildable atomizers - which generally have a tank of some kind - are basically a dripper (like the Igo-l) but adding a tank so no dripping.

As far as buying both the Igo and the mini, if you can build it normal sized the mini is easy, but you may want to start with something "normal" sized so you have more room to play with as you learn.

I wind coils by hand with an Allen wrench (hex key) so I didn't even look at the gizmo, but I would suggest a cheap Walmart/ dollar store set of Allen wrenches for one reason, putting the coil on the deck. After you build the coil (using the gizmo, at least) slip in an Allen wrench that is snug and use it to help position the coil and keep its shape as you mount it.

Shari, if you have a smartphone or android tablet take a look at the app "vapers toolbox" tons of useful info about coil building and its free.

And yes, Aik, you can do it. I'd be happy to send you a few coils and walk you through a few till you get the hang of it. Honestly, there is nothing like the flavor of fresh dripped flavor.

OK, unintentional rant over and happy pills taken. Sorry we got into this on the radio tonight, I'll go to bed now.

 

[JJ1977]

hello everybody hope ur having a gud day ill b around more often now since im homebound for gud

 

[ShariR]

hello everybody hope ur having a gud day ill b around more often now since im homebound for gud

What does 'homebound for good' mean? Is that a good thing for you? I hope so.

 

[Thayamax]

I have the Omega clone RDA which appears to be very similar to the Trident and the Origen ones. I built my first coil on it since my KFL+ clone didn't arrive until a day or two later. It has 2 large air flow holes for dual coils or you can use 1 for single coil. The holes are so large that you can only do lung inhales if you have them open. I use a single coil and still have to close the air hole almost all the way in order to do mouth to lung inhales, which are still a bit airy for my liking. It holds a lot of juice and has great flavor and vapor production, but I can't imagine using a dripper all the time, even at home.

The KFL+ is perfect for me. It holds a lot of juice in the tank, has great flavor and vapor production, has an airflow control and has never given me a problem with leaking or dry hits. It's easier to build than my Omega. Both are EHPro clones and are very well built.

 

[Claudia P]

An RBA is a rebuildable atomizer, which is either a genesis style or a bottom feeder, an RDA is a rebuildable dripping atomizer.

 

[aikanae1]

hello everybody hope ur having a gud day ill b around more often now since im homebound for gud

Yea. I'm not so sure that's a gud thing or not?

 

[Claudia P]

I was like that at first with my RDA's but I have gotten used to them and now do the lung hits and prefer it that way. It appears to me that for many if not most of us vaping is a constantly changing habit/hobby. I am now actually thinking about getting the air holes in my Trident drilled out for even more airflow.

The Origen has actual juice wells on either side and holds about 20 drops, otherwise it is quite similar to the Omega. I imagine one of these days I'll pick up a Magma which holds even more than the Origen, making it closer to a tank, but of course you still can't lay it down because the juice will run out of the air holes.

Some day I may try a KFL+, we'll see how long I can hold out once he starts racing again and I'm away from home for longer periods of time.

I have the Omega clone RDA which appears to be very similar to the Trident and the Origen ones. I built my first coil on it since my KFL+ clone didn't arrive until a day or two later. It has 2 large air flow holes for dual coils or you can use 1 for single coil. The holes are so large that you can only do lung inhales if you have them open. I use a single coil and still have to close the air hole almost all the way in order to do mouth to lung inhales, which are still a bit airy for my liking. It holds a lot of juice and has great flavor and vapor production, but I can't imagine using a dripper all the time, even at home.

The KFL+ is perfect for me. It holds a lot of juice in the tank, has great flavor and vapor production, has an airflow control and has never given me a problem with leaking or dry hits. It's easier to build than my Omega. Both are EHPro clones and are very well built.

 

[Thayamax]

I was like that at first with my RDA's but I have gotten used to them and now do the lung hits and prefer it that way. It appears to me that for many if not most of us vaping is a constantly changing habit/hobby. I am now actually thinking about getting the air holes in my Trident drilled out for even more airflow.

I tried doing lung hits, but it made the back of my throat feel scratchy and a little sore, so I just closed up the air holes and do mouth to lung hits. I always inhaled cigarettes that way, too, so it's the most natural for me.

 

[aikanae1]

That was extremely helpful. I didn't even know the difference between a RDA/RBA. I would want something with a tank and don't see a need for a dripper. I don't even have a place to sit (that I actually use). Hand eye coordination isn't my issue. I used to do jewelry a lot. It's my interest level that is lacking. It's too much like jewelry - a job, work, etc. I need something fun. I'd enjoy heat torching more, maybe building a U-Can hybrid that's heat torched (oh yeah). Now that's interesting IMO. If the Tibs2 DNA was the side by side, I'd be in on that in a heart beat. Luv the modders forum - the little stealth ones. There's a 3 min Bic lighter mod that's calling my name.

But juice delivery is essential or nothing matters. Bah. Protanks have flaws, but getting better? I wish. I want mindless performance. Maintainable without a brain. Not a hobby. I liked disposalble CE4's. I can't be the only dinosaur left.

So I need a tank. If I had $150 I'd still probably buy another Provari and not a tank. So FT and $25 is what I got. That's still a splurge for something as exciting as batteries IMO. EHPro is a good one? That's what I needed to know. There's a ton of KFL+ clones on FT, lots of pros/cons. One today that's called the Kaypromizer (after the expromizer) so it seems it's cloned before it gets to the US. None of them are glass. 3/4ths my liquids will eat them. Do I keep waiting?

I love clones. I'd be stuck without 'em.

OK, I'm home early and would like to clear this up. Not only because its my pet peeve (misleading information not from you, Shari, from inconsistent terminology )
but because we get nowhere when we are confused or using a million different terms for the same thing (I had to tell the local b&m the same thing).

Please forgive me if you know all of the following or if its been too long staring at idiots driving stupidly.

A RDA is a rebuildable "dripping" atomizer. Meaning that you drip directly on the wick/coil package and there is no tank involved.

Shari, Alisa- both the Igo-l and the Smoktek mini RDA are exactly that, RDA's. As for the one you got in trade Shari, most mini RDA's or drippers were designed after full size (20-22mm diameter) and some went the other way around.

Now, I don't have any experience with 510 atty so I won't comment but yes RDA/RBA's are different and require more interaction but can give incredible flavor so they are definitely not the first thing to pick up if you are not good with electronics or working with small tools & things.

The Igo-L is one of the most simple RDA's that exists and is a great "starter" dripper. Several reasons, its decently priced at around $10 or below and is still "normal" sized as a 20mm RDA so it gives you some room to work with.

IMO, the mini drippers (like the Smoktek mini and even the firefly I just ordered) tend to be more complicated to work with and more messy... both for the same reason - they are mini. Also since they are mini they tend to be a bit more flimsy than their larger cousins since they have to be made from smaller materials and in smaller dimensions. However, when you are used to them the small size can translate into incredible flavor.

Now, speaking about RBA's or rebuildable atomizers - which generally have a tank of some kind - are basically a dripper (like the Igo-l) but adding a tank so no dripping.

As far as buying both the Igo and the mini, if you can build it normal sized the mini is easy, but you may want to start with something "normal" sized so you have more room to play with as you learn.

I wind coils by hand with an Allen wrench (hex key) so I didn't even look at the gizmo, but I would suggest a cheap Walmart/ dollar store set of Allen wrenches for one reason, putting the coil on the deck. After you build the coil (using the gizmo, at least) slip in an Allen wrench that is snug and use it to help position the coil and keep its shape as you mount it.

Shari, if you have a smartphone or android tablet take a look at the app "vapers toolbox" tons of useful info about coil building and its free.

And yes, Aik, you can do it. I'd be happy to send you a few coils and walk you through a few till you get the hang of it. Honestly, there is nothing like the flavor of fresh dripped flavor.
OK, unintentional rant over and happy pills taken. Sorry we got into this on the radio tonight, I'll go to bed now.

 

[Karen N Daytona]

The mini RDA that Shari has is called an Octupus by some it is the big brother to the squid. It was originally made by Smok but there were knock offs. It is the same exact thing only larger, I have one of each I got cheap. I can't rebuild them yet, but they are great for me.

 

[alisa1970]

Shari, I took a pic of my mini RDA next to my ProTank for comparison, but I'm at work and security settings won't let me upload to my hosting site. I'll try it here, but pics that are downloaded direct to ECF usually come out too small. If it's too small to see I'll post the bigger version when I get home from work.

 

[Karen N Daytona]

Shari, I took a pic of my mini RDA next to my ProTank for comparison, but I'm at work and security settings won't let me upload to my hosting site. I'll try it here, but pics that are downloaded direct to ECF usually come out too small. If it's too small to see I'll post the bigger version when I get home from work.

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I love that drip tip! pretty!

 

[aikanae1]

That is pretty!