I don't know what the status is in Calif at this second, but there is a bill at some stage that will ban online sales of nic. I know a number of people are going to Sacramento and protest/speak. The state is flooded with little ban and restrictions from cities; passed in L.A. and SF. A person can't even vape in their apartment they are renting. As if any of them would know whether a person did or not. I think there's 20-30 states with active bans/taxes/etc going on right now. I hate to say too much because stuff changes quite a bit and I'm not directly involved. Your making headway there?
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I don't know what the status is in Calif at this second, but there is a bill at some stage that will ban online sales of nic. I know a number of people are going to Sacramento and protest/speak. The state is flooded with little ban and restrictions from cities; passed in L.A. and SF. A person can't even vape in their apartment they are renting. As if any of them would know whether a person did or not. I think there's 20-30 states with active bans/taxes/etc going on right now. I hate to say too much because stuff changes quite a bit and I'm not directly involved. Your making headway there?
It's a support thread and so the focus might be a little different than a topic thread. It's hard to support someone without knowing more about them. Some people here never want to pick up a cigarette again and other's are fine with moderate smoking. A few others have stopped vaping for a period of time, but haven't forgotten vaping either. It helps to know which path each person is on to really support them in a non-judgemental way.
We also discovered that focusing only on smoking, some (maybe all) found cravings were increased (me included). There's also emotional stuff (stress) that comes up and it helps to just get it out and over with. It's just like any other support group; eating is not really about food, drinking is not really about alcohol. That's just the result. There's quite a few here that haven't had a cigarette for some time but realize if they take their success for granted, it could sneak up on them. Staying "quit" is the big challenge, not quitting. I think you'll find a lot of this explained in the first post and probably the first thread (this is the second) has a few more of our stories in it.
Sometimes I can't keep up with the posts so I read backwards as much as time allows. I don't know yet if you've posted a question or not / still smoking or not or what your story is. I'll have to keep reading. What I do know is there are a variety of people here who are facing a variety of challenges and all are in different stages. I'm pretty confident that if you've got an issue about still smoking, someone or several of us will be able to understand where your coming from. There's lots of areas on ECF to boast about success, but this thread is our little sancturary that it's not always as easy to "just quit" for everyone - and without shame.
Welcome! And as we say around here, Embrace The Suck!
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I think a big part of all this banning and restrictions has to do with the cities and counties and states needing to keep those big dollars coming from that Big Tobacco lawsuit. That huge fund has wording and stipulations in it where a locality can lose their share of tens of thousands or more dollars if they do not initiate proactive anti-smoking regulations. In cities like San Francisco or Los Angeles it is probably millions of dollars. Read a couple of big articles about it. States and cities and towns are broke, must keep the money coming in. Of course, cigars are exempt.
Of course, the Feds have their hand in it too. They can't do things federally so they get the locals to do their dirty work and it filters up the food chain. This is part of why the deeming regs by the FDA are important. It is like trying to understand the Tax Code or Obamacare.
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Siklilmonkey, I am a smoker/vaper myself... I am here to help in anyway I can... I know I struggle on a day to day basis and do w2hat i can to not smoke...so welcome and please feel free to post....
You mean Romneycare. Obama ran on single payer, Medicare for all. Congress adopted Romneycare "since they make the laws".
FWIW, I made another Thanksgiving Dinner for Easter. I was wondering why my freezer in the garage was so full so I started digging. Found a 14lb turkey that I had bought around Christmas time and did not cook. So, whoila! All day cooking for DH, friend, and me.
I am very worried about friend Rich. The one with the Congestive heart failure and diabetes. He spent another week in the hospital last month for his breathing, he will not wear the oxygen like he is supposed to. He was here with the big oxygen tanks and not looking good. He kept going out to garage for a Marlboro, then back in house and vape a little on the cigalike (thank you, Uncle). Then a while later back to garage for more Marlboro.
I am trying to let it go and not say anything. Very hard to do. Very hard to not shake the poopies out of him. Oh well. He had a good dinner at least.
I do not have the least temptation to have a cigarette when someone is smoking around me. I was afraid I would have more trouble with that since I am not around smokers hardly at all. But the smell does get to me. Not in a good way. I knew it smelled bad when I smoked, but I did not realize how bad. Especially stale smoke.
I have enjoyed being around a couple of smokers when outside. The smoke was interesting to me. I am weird.
I am very worried about friend Rich. The one with the Congestive heart failure and diabetes. He spent another week in the hospital last month for his breathing, he will not wear the oxygen like he is supposed to. He was here with the big oxygen tanks and not looking good. He kept going out to garage for a Marlboro, then back in house and vape a little on the cigalike (thank you, Uncle). Then a while later back to garage for more Marlboro.
I am trying to let it go and not say anything. Very hard to do. Very hard to not shake the poopies out of him. Oh well. He had a good dinner at least.
I do not have the least temptation to have a cigarette when someone is smoking around me. I was afraid I would have more trouble with that since I am not around smokers hardly at all. But the smell does get to me. Not in a good way. I knew it smelled bad when I smoked, but I did not realize how bad. Especially stale smoke.
I have enjoyed being around a couple of smokers when outside. The smoke was interesting to me. I am weird.
I don't know why sometimes .gifs work and sometimes they don't. My eggs are dissapointing without moving. It was different.
Shari - I'm glad you finally got your big dinner. If I recall right, you holidays were messed up last year.
I know there's some from Fl. here. I guess ANTZ doesn't observe holidays and that state is next to ban online sales w/ 48 hr notice. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ctronic-cigarettes-minors-4.html#post12908391
Shari - I'm glad you finally got your big dinner. If I recall right, you holidays were messed up last year.
I know there's some from Fl. here. I guess ANTZ doesn't observe holidays and that state is next to ban online sales w/ 48 hr notice. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ctronic-cigarettes-minors-4.html#post12908391
Hey y'all! I'm back at work now, yippee, played catch-up all day long. Now it's finally time for a breather!
All my hard work and white knuckles abandoned me over the weekend. I smoked about 3 cigarettes with my sister. Being sick and feeling like crap anyway, I figured what the hey! Well, I really enjoyed the sensation and the mental satisfaction, and also went home and never gave it another thought. The WTA and the very low wattages are still keeping me sane.
This means I might be able to be an occasional smoker, although I don't think it's a great idea, because it might lead to more than occasional use. At least if I want to indulge, I can stop beating myself up and worrying about going back to a pack-a-day habit.
Hope you all had a great holiday! See you around.
All my hard work and white knuckles abandoned me over the weekend. I smoked about 3 cigarettes with my sister. Being sick and feeling like crap anyway, I figured what the hey! Well, I really enjoyed the sensation and the mental satisfaction, and also went home and never gave it another thought. The WTA and the very low wattages are still keeping me sane.
This means I might be able to be an occasional smoker, although I don't think it's a great idea, because it might lead to more than occasional use. At least if I want to indulge, I can stop beating myself up and worrying about going back to a pack-a-day habit.
Hope you all had a great holiday! See you around.
WOW! I just read that entire post, and I love and agree with your points. Clear as muddy water and very very sneaky. Fingers crossed that it all works out, and thank the Lord "we" were paying attention and might be able to challenge it in court. . .
Congrats on getting rid of the crud and a successful recovery (including smoking)! Good job.
Yea, I think I would be worried about the occasional smoke becoming too frequent myself too. That's always been kind of a slippery slope for me in the past. It's a hard call to make. But I'm glad it worked out ok this time. I do have several friends who have always been able to be casual smokers without getting hooked. I used to envy them and really tried to be like that. No luck. Your may be different.
I do know it's much, much easier for me to substitute vaping for smoking when I do RYO (natural tobacco) vs commercial cigarettes. Big difference between the two. I've bounced around enough now that I can't keep telling myself it must be my imagination.
Yea, I think I would be worried about the occasional smoke becoming too frequent myself too. That's always been kind of a slippery slope for me in the past. It's a hard call to make. But I'm glad it worked out ok this time. I do have several friends who have always been able to be casual smokers without getting hooked. I used to envy them and really tried to be like that. No luck. Your may be different.
I do know it's much, much easier for me to substitute vaping for smoking when I do RYO (natural tobacco) vs commercial cigarettes. Big difference between the two. I've bounced around enough now that I can't keep telling myself it must be my imagination.
I always envied the occasional, weekend, out at the bar and having a couple cigarettes while they drink people. My sister in law was like that for years. I know a couple other people who claim that they only smoke when they drink. I never could do it.
I wonder if it has something to do with some kind of addiction switch some of us may have in our particular DNA. Now the doctors talk about pre-diabetes. That did not exist 10-20 years ago. You were diabetic or you were not. But it is true. The body has some kind of switch in it that once you cross that line, there is no turning back.
I wonder if it has something to do with some kind of addiction switch some of us may have in our particular DNA. Now the doctors talk about pre-diabetes. That did not exist 10-20 years ago. You were diabetic or you were not. But it is true. The body has some kind of switch in it that once you cross that line, there is no turning back.
Until this weekend I was convinced that I had crossed that line, it had to be all or nothing for me. In the recent past smoking just one or two PUFFS would have led to weeks of white-knuckling and running from the craving monster. I don't think the results are repeatable, so I'll just say it worked this one time, and I'll try to resist any other times!
I just recently got out from under that stress, I'm not looking to start that all over again. Better not try my luck!
I know in my state it is illegal to sell tobacco without a whole list of chemicals added. It's illegal to order online for that reason and most sites won't ship to here. But I did find a couple. I'm sure I'll get a letter from the state at some point as all credit cards report to the state. I thought about prepaid, but some require addresses and some don't. I don't know which and then there's balances left over, surcharges on some and blah, blah, bah. Too much.
I did find figures that after the master settlement and after the FDA took over the role of oversight of cigarettes that less people were smoking and more people were dying, by a LOT. Cigarettes became more lethal under the FDA. They have also not complied with the full measures of disclosure of their ingredients (I don't think) just the most common ones - which also turns out to include a lot of the flavors were vaping. Flavors aren't such an unknown wild card after all - some of the bakery/creamy types might be. But traditional cigs also include stuff like caffine. That was surprising. The tobacco companies claim all this stuff has been fully tested ya, ya, ya. It's really a wicked web of regulations that are still onging for at least a decade. I was also challenged finding really clear reporting on the current state it's in. What I did find didn't make me very happy. I've got notes on some of the stuff. It was just too unreal.
I really do not want vaping to fall into the hands of BT or BP however. I'll help build an underground nic lab to avoid that if needed. With my bare hands. I find mail boxes with forwarding to ship nic and vape products to people who need it. I'm already looking for others that might be players in a black market if it comes to that level. The more I learn about tobacco companies the less I like them and even less is my trust. The lowest of the lows. Under bankers even, which are still a few rungs under cockroaches.
I've bounced around enough with this stuff that I need to face the fact that I'm not going to be able to do both successfully either. Nice idea while it lasted. Pt2's are rebuildable coils in case of the vapoclyoplse (yea, I really can't spell). I've been reviewing tanks and drippers and just don't see the advantage YET - for me, someone who can sit still unless I'm driving and the idea of drivng and dripping sounds worse than texting and driving. I need too much ready to go and flip between flavors too often to sink $50-$100 into something that quite often still has issues.
I'm not convinced the clones are that bad at fast tech, in fact there's a few that people say are better than the original - but just a few and that's a challeng when there's so many of them. Some of the mods sound drool-worthy. There's a m16 (or m11) brass that's good to go out of the box for $11. And I've always wanted the fuschia k100 just because. The nemisis = great too. A lot of them if you can sort through all the rest. Mods they got. Tanks and rda's? Passable, maybe. There's a kayfun for $22 that sounds ok - and others. I don't want just ok maybe, maybe. That stuff will improve.
A piece of good news - I LOVE Free State Vapor Co-Co-Nut (actually I need to look up that name again). Nice creamy smooth base with a subtle hint of vanilla undertone and fresh tasting real coconut mid tones. Not too rich, not too sweet and very real tasting. It's bliss. It also holds up to a large tank without fading. Very comfortable vape. No issues with coughing, burning, hayfever-clogging up. Yes!
Bad news - I was to test Tetra vapes in exchange for a review and they are awful. I don't want to write a review. They did a good job of matching me up to flavors I should like. I was really excited to try the chocolat mint and on the inhale it tasted just like a chocolate mint swirl ice cream. Mint, not menthol dominated. On the exhale I expected to blow soap bubbles any minute. i really wanted it to work. Tried about all I had, including steeping longer and no such luck. I don't want to finish it. That was the best one. The coffee started strong and black - at last found, but finished with a nasty, nasty aftertaste I can't quite place. Almost a lavender if you can picture that with coffee. I can't and didn't like it. Plum was non existant. Probably closest to a neutral smoke with no flavor. Not even the sweetness of VG.
I don't know how obligated I feel about leaving a review. All the others are positive. I know if I do leave one that I can't fake it, I'll be honest. I've learned that even vendors who say it's ok good or bad, usually don't really mean it and it can turn into a hassle. I'd rather let it go. Then I also get tired of seeing positive reviews of crappy products. Anyway, Tetra was a dissapointment.
I did find figures that after the master settlement and after the FDA took over the role of oversight of cigarettes that less people were smoking and more people were dying, by a LOT. Cigarettes became more lethal under the FDA. They have also not complied with the full measures of disclosure of their ingredients (I don't think) just the most common ones - which also turns out to include a lot of the flavors were vaping. Flavors aren't such an unknown wild card after all - some of the bakery/creamy types might be. But traditional cigs also include stuff like caffine. That was surprising. The tobacco companies claim all this stuff has been fully tested ya, ya, ya. It's really a wicked web of regulations that are still onging for at least a decade. I was also challenged finding really clear reporting on the current state it's in. What I did find didn't make me very happy. I've got notes on some of the stuff. It was just too unreal.
I really do not want vaping to fall into the hands of BT or BP however. I'll help build an underground nic lab to avoid that if needed. With my bare hands. I find mail boxes with forwarding to ship nic and vape products to people who need it. I'm already looking for others that might be players in a black market if it comes to that level. The more I learn about tobacco companies the less I like them and even less is my trust. The lowest of the lows. Under bankers even, which are still a few rungs under cockroaches.
I've bounced around enough with this stuff that I need to face the fact that I'm not going to be able to do both successfully either. Nice idea while it lasted. Pt2's are rebuildable coils in case of the vapoclyoplse (yea, I really can't spell). I've been reviewing tanks and drippers and just don't see the advantage YET - for me, someone who can sit still unless I'm driving and the idea of drivng and dripping sounds worse than texting and driving. I need too much ready to go and flip between flavors too often to sink $50-$100 into something that quite often still has issues.
I'm not convinced the clones are that bad at fast tech, in fact there's a few that people say are better than the original - but just a few and that's a challeng when there's so many of them. Some of the mods sound drool-worthy. There's a m16 (or m11) brass that's good to go out of the box for $11. And I've always wanted the fuschia k100 just because. The nemisis = great too. A lot of them if you can sort through all the rest. Mods they got. Tanks and rda's? Passable, maybe. There's a kayfun for $22 that sounds ok - and others. I don't want just ok maybe, maybe. That stuff will improve.
A piece of good news - I LOVE Free State Vapor Co-Co-Nut (actually I need to look up that name again). Nice creamy smooth base with a subtle hint of vanilla undertone and fresh tasting real coconut mid tones. Not too rich, not too sweet and very real tasting. It's bliss. It also holds up to a large tank without fading. Very comfortable vape. No issues with coughing, burning, hayfever-clogging up. Yes!
Bad news - I was to test Tetra vapes in exchange for a review and they are awful. I don't want to write a review. They did a good job of matching me up to flavors I should like. I was really excited to try the chocolat mint and on the inhale it tasted just like a chocolate mint swirl ice cream. Mint, not menthol dominated. On the exhale I expected to blow soap bubbles any minute. i really wanted it to work. Tried about all I had, including steeping longer and no such luck. I don't want to finish it. That was the best one. The coffee started strong and black - at last found, but finished with a nasty, nasty aftertaste I can't quite place. Almost a lavender if you can picture that with coffee. I can't and didn't like it. Plum was non existant. Probably closest to a neutral smoke with no flavor. Not even the sweetness of VG.
I don't know how obligated I feel about leaving a review. All the others are positive. I know if I do leave one that I can't fake it, I'll be honest. I've learned that even vendors who say it's ok good or bad, usually don't really mean it and it can turn into a hassle. I'd rather let it go. Then I also get tired of seeing positive reviews of crappy products. Anyway, Tetra was a dissapointment.
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