Still smoking support and chat thread

[ShariR]

Got that, how could you resist. You gave me a good chuckle. Fried eggs. Who would have thought. Now I know why tourists get in trouble when they visit other countries with just their little translation books.

Thank you, dear
I am fine, doing 100 things at once, as usual. Sorry to be a rare guest. But I just had to reply when I saw the "Spiegelei"

 

[ShariR]

There is a lot of 50 ce5 in the classys. I thought I read here that one of our own uses them. Don't know if it is a good deal or not. I do not use them.

 

[ShariR]

I just happened to stumble across the big RY4 thread. I mentioned it last night. Here it is:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...views/193327-really-big-ry4-roundup-long.html

Here is a new ry4 thread, discussing them now.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/553960-ry4.html

 

[Timothy Moore]

Nice
Good share

RY4 is my go-to juice.
I mix my own. FlavorArt Ry4.
Can't tell you the %. I play around with it too much.
Basically, right now I have a bunch of 8mg that I mixed up. I think I used 60 drops/30ml. I still have like 150ml mixed of it.
But the flavor was kind of weak, and I needed to up my nic while trying to get switched back to full vaping.
So I take that which I have mixed, add another ten drops, add 1.6ml of 100mg and fill up the remainder of the 10ml bottle with the 8mg weaker stuff.
However, my first juice ever was Halo Tribeca. Still love the stuff, though I don't buy a lot of premade or gourmet juice anymore.

I just happened to stumble across the big RY4 thread. I mentioned it last night. Here it is:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...views/193327-really-big-ry4-roundup-long.html

Here is a new ry4 thread, discussing them now.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/553960-ry4.html

 

[etherealink]

Giggle, giggle. Nobody has called me sweetie for decades. Thank you, that made my night.

What in the world is a mindroid?

Mindroid is an app that combines visual and audio in a way that helps you meditate, sleep and etc. Even just the free version helps me when I cant sleep.

 

[ShariR]

Mindroid is an app that combines visual and audio in a way that helps you meditate, sleep and etc. Even just the free version helps me when I cant sleep.

Ooooooooooo. Is this something that I can get to run on my laptop? Sometimes when I have a migraine I will put one of the soft soundscape channels on in the bedroom while I have my head under the covers. Seems to help but no picture and it seems to be on a one hour loop of music.

I do not have a cell phone. Remember, old lady here that is pretty anti tech.

 

[etherealink]

lol... ya love the name.

18mg ry4 & 24mg menthol
DNA20 Box mod w/ carto @ 7 watts for ry4 and genesis rba @ 15 watts for menthol
No particular triggers other than never feeling satisfied. Less satisfaction with the menthol.
I've tried so many, and don't think it's hardware or wetware.

I thank you for the warm welcome

Thanks. I know the feeling about not being satisfied, up until about 3 weeks ago I could vape 24mg in a dripper (dual coil, sub-ohm) until I sucked the battery dry and still wanted a cigarette; of course, that's considering that I used to smoke almost 3 packs a day.

And since I'm one of the many who have "quit" several times and went back to smoking (I still have ashtrays out to remind me of what I *don't* want to do) to get to my 3 week point... I'll say that even now my taste buds are still coming back.

As far as an adv for more that about a week goes, I tend to get kinda numb to the flavor and get some serious vape tongue until I really shake things up.

And I would definitely recommend that you try a few other flavors. I have only really had juice that I didn't diy from around 4 companies, but I would recommend Pink Spot Vapors very highly. Great customer service, great flavors and solid prices. Best of all, they have sample packs! If memory serves, 6 sample flavors (10ml) and a free bonus 3 ml comes to about $30 before shipping.

And if you're an "adult of a certain age" saying that you're vaping "Pirates Booty" gives you a good laugh lol!

Also there is a site called "premium ejuice samples" (I had to Google it) when I found it.

Hope that helps!

 

[Timothy Moore]

Tis true
Was actually in prayer recently concerning a matter I was taking before the Lord. It is one of those I have some answers but not all the answers.
And I should be thankful (and now am thankful) I actually do have the answers that I have.

But with that being said, at one point I was all, "but Lord, what if this happens, what if that happens, what if, what if, what if."
And it wasn't an actual voice, and it wasn't even that still small voice. More of an impression. But basically the response was "what if I do everything you are asking me to do? What if everything turns out exactly the way you are praying?"

It just showed me that when we 'what if,' we usually do it in worry, fear and doubt. Negativity. Rarely do we ever 'what if' the possibilities. And usually our 'what ifs' are concerning things we have no control of, and the worry in our mind usually doesn't match the reality of the situation anyways. (Sometimes it does, but usually we are looking sooooooo far ahead that the what if is really a moot point.)

And then after that was a response of "and what if all your what ifs happen? Don't you trust Me to work everything to the council of my will according to my glory and also to your ultimate benefit? Don't you trust Me in this situation that I see all the outcomes and am actually working for your good. What if I don't give you exactly what you are asking? Didn't I say if you asked for bread, I would not give you a stone? Do you really think I am going to give you something for you to break your teeth on? Trust Me. And what if I do give you all that you are asking Me, can't you be patient enough to wait for Me to bring it to pass? What if I give you what you are asking? Will you not look back on that day and say 'I did all this worrying for nothing.' Be patient and trust Me."

That wasn't all at once but over a few days of prayer. But you get the point. lol

I absolutely love, love, love what you say about 'what if.' I have wasted too much time and caused myself lots of unnecessary pain and stress opening and closing that Pandora's Box. You have to put that stuff behind you and work on today forward. Draw the lessons from the past but do not dwell there. How right you are.

 

[Timothy Moore]

I use 18650s. I try not to drain them. Even in my mechs. I try to recharge them about halfwayish.
With that being said, I was a heavy smoker. That translates to a heavy smoker, at least for me.
I usually go through about three or four batteries a day. At least. Well, at present, I am vaping at least 10ml a day too. That'll slow down as my smoking slows down. I was hitting the cigs HARD. Harder than normal. Gonna take a few weeks to bring myself back down where I was. Maybe even a few months. But I am not stressing it.

I am like that episode on Absolutely Fabulous, where the one lady was trying the patch. She ended up with multiple patches on and still smoking. Then the young lady started to peel one off and said, "it looks like she is actually refilling the patches."
WARNING - do not attempt this. You will die from nic poisoning. But was funny and reminds me of me. lol

But I digress. Yes the Zmax is an awesome mod. But I do go through the batteries. But it isn't the Zmax's fault or the fault of any other mod.

Yeah, I love my Sigelei -- went to my folks' yesterday for the whole day, so I took it with 2 18350s in it... and it's STILL at 7.6v charge! I won't need to change the batteries till either tomorrow or late tonight, and that kind of staying power is really why I bought it, since I'm also very happy with my iTaste vv3s -- but they're primarily round-the-house devices, at 800mAh -- of course they also have pass-thru, so that's some compensation.

I rarely ever go over 9w; in fact I'm usually pretty happy around 8w, but since I'm getting started again, and now I'm using rayon instead of cotton, I've been keeping it at 9w most of the time, to get more vapor and so more nicotine, and yeah, the flavor absolutely changes with increasing the wattage; the Virginia I love tastes awful over 10w, or in any dual-coil thingie; too much heat just isn't good for this Virginia at all.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

I use 18650s. I try not to drain them. Even in my mechs. I try to recharge them about halfwayish.
With that being said, I was a heavy smoker. That translates to a heavy smoker, at least for me.
I usually go through about three or four batteries a day. At least. Well, at present, I am vaping at least 10ml a day too. That'll slow down as my smoking slows down. I was hitting the cigs HARD. Harder than normal. Gonna take a few weeks to bring myself back down where I was. Maybe even a few months. But I am not stressing it.

I am like that episode on Absolutely Fabulous, where the one lady was trying the patch. She ended up with multiple patches on and still smoking. Then the young lady started to peel one off and said, "it looks like she is actually refilling the patches."
WARNING - do not attempt this. You will die from nic poisoning. But was funny and reminds me of me. lol

But I digress. Yes the Zmax is an awesome mod. But I do go through the batteries. But it isn't the Zmax's fault or the fault of any other mod.

Well, stacked '350s might help a lot; they last MUCH longer that way. As long as you always charge them as a pair, and keep them as a pair, they're fairly safe even stacked, in a regulated mod like these. Don't think I would try it in a mech though, since it has zero protection circuitry.

Andria

 

[alisa1970]

Ahhh yeah - I think I'm going to try the WTA and avoid Snus. Sounds like some sort of sinus infection... lol

As a girl who thinks chew is disgusting, I was VERY wary of going the Snus route. It was more about the idea of a girl "dipping" more than anything that grossed me out. But in case you didn't read our re-introduction posts (mine was quite long), I was between a rock and a hard place with my vaping/smoking. I was having very intense inflammatory reactions to my juices (all of them), and so I'd smoke to get what I needed without the reactions. They made me feel better but at that point I had been vaping for several months and really didn't enjoy smoking. I had tried WTA and it worked, but after some time even those were causing problems. So my only option to stay smoke free and be able to vape less was the Snus. I found that it worked incredibly well for my moods, for feeling physically better, and also kept me from feeling like I "needed" to smoke. And there's NO spitting involved, lol.

What I later discovered was that I had chronic inflammation from an undiagnosed auto-immune disease, and it was coming to a head as a result of quitting smoking. After I got medication going and was feeling more stable, the juices didn't have the same negative effect. At that point, Snus did a better job for me than WTA, so I quit buying it and occasionally use Snus instead.

Yeah, it doesn't help either that tobacco contains four naturally occurring MAOIs. This has been relatively recent buzz in tobacco research. At least, recent buzz to the public.
This is why people are going to WTA.
I remember when I first started vaping. I was in full "no more analog" mode. I must admit that while the nic in the juice did get rid of the cravings, it took a couple weeks to adjust to not having those MAOIs.
I was a bit moody and depressed.
So yeah, makes you "feel better."
I foolishly started smoking again off and on a while back. But now I am kind of in a circumstance where I must keep my head on straight. The repercussions for falling into depression right now too consequential. Ergo, I find the need to keep a pack around. Though trying to cut it back as much as possible and quit altogether once I get my legs fully under me.

I know that sounds like an excuse. And it kind of is. But just some heavy things going on in life right now. My reactions to such have and will have huge affects on those around me. (Not talking about going off nuts or anything. Just the wrong word spoken in depression right now can really hurt people in bad ways, because the people around me are going through it too. And most of them look to me for answers. Or the things that will get messed up if I fall into a negative mindset also affect those around me.)

But I do also find that there is a pivoting point. One or two cigarettes can make me feel good. After that, they start to have a reverse affect. Is it guilt? Is it too much of all the WTA? I dunno. It may have something to do with the fact that if I go full smoking, I am looking at 3 packs a day. That just might be too much of everything lol

Or have I gotten back to the place where I am overthinking everything again?

I think what makes you feel worse after a few cigarettes isn't the WTA but all the other chemicals you're inhaling. While I do understand the potential addictive nature of WTA, for many people who don't have mood disorders (even minor ones that don't need full-on medical intervention) WTA does absolutely nothing. So clearly, there is a chemical component that causes a true need for these MAOI's. I don't know which comes first - the addiction or the lack of enough fundamental neurotransmitters for proper mental function - but clearly there are some people who are more affected when the alkaloids are discontinued. I'm talking long-term, because everyone goes through some mental discomfort when quitting. But when it doesn't subside after a few months of abstinence, such as happened in my case (and I do still use Snus at least 3-4 times a week), then the reality is that either you use a reduced harm method of getting them naturally, through tobacco, or you end up needing a prescription for a synthetic mind-altering substance (which to my mind does more damage than the WTA in tobacco), and a permanent mark of "depression" or worse on your medical records.

 

[Timothy Moore]

Ah, well I went unregulated in order to sub-ohm. Protection comes from making sure you don't have a dead short, aren't running more amps than the battery is rated for and ALWAYS using safe(r) chemistry li-ion batteries.
But this also does cause batteries to run low faster, since you are basically opening them up as much safely as possible.
But even when I was using a 1000mah ego battery, I would go through batteries quicker.
I just always carry backup.

Well, stacked '350s might help a lot; they last MUCH longer that way. As long as you always charge them as a pair, and keep them as a pair, they're fairly safe even stacked, in a regulated mod like these. Don't think I would try it in a mech though, since it has zero protection circuitry.

Andria

 

[Uncle]

JUST AS AN FYI:

I'm in Enfield. Last time I checked there was a couple shops but mostly by the shore. There was one close by in Chicopee but that seemed like a Chinese juice reseller and I absolutely hate dekang/etc for the most part. Tire fire anyone?

Northeast Connecticut Vapers Alliance​

Just - Tell "FactorFiftyTwo" (who knows a lot and happens to run the FB Group) that "Uncle" sent Ya' . . .

 

[loft]

Thanks -- I'll check it out once I'm on a FB friendly pc.

JUST AS AN FYI:

Northeast Connecticut Vapers Alliance​

Just - Tell "FactorFiftyTwo" (who knows a lot and happens to run the FB Group) that "Uncle" sent Ya' . . .

 

[AndriaD]

I think what makes you feel worse after a few cigarettes isn't the WTA but all the other chemicals you're inhaling. While I do understand the potential addictive nature of WTA, for many people who don't have mood disorders (even minor ones that don't need full-on medical intervention) WTA does absolutely nothing. So clearly, there is a chemical component that causes a true need for these MAOI's. I don't know which comes first - the addiction or the lack of enough fundamental neurotransmitters for proper mental function - but clearly there are some people who are more affected when the alkaloids are discontinued. I'm talking long-term, because everyone goes through some mental discomfort when quitting. But when it doesn't subside after a few months of abstinence, such as happened in my case (and I do still use Snus at least 3-4 times a week), then the reality is that either you use a reduced harm method of getting them naturally, through tobacco, or you end up needing a prescription for a synthetic mind-altering substance (which to my mind does more damage than the WTA in tobacco), and a permanent mark of "depression" or worse on your medical records.

I think you're right, about those who already know they have "mood disorders" -- I've fought the anxiety/depression monster my whole life, and although I quit smoking very easily the first time, at the 3wk and 3mo points I was just wretched -- didn't have any cravings, but just miserable, hating myself, the whole world, and everything and everyone in it. With this recent quit, I think one of the factors that was holding me back was my stupendous anxiety about those medical bills -- but once I got that notification from the hospital that my part to pay was less than $1k, a lot of that was gone, so I could get on with the quitting.

I'm still not in favor of Snus, for myself, it just really icks me out, but I'm definitely going the WTA route, starting at the 2wk point after quitting, till 4 wks, and then again a week before the 3mo point till a week after it. I don't know if I'll have cigarette cravings this time, since I didn't before, but I do know how awful I felt, and would really love to avoid that.

I'm going to get the WholeCig WTA, since it's unflavored and lot less costly than Aroma's unflavored, and I can get it in a 17mg strength, not nearly as strong as Aroma's unflavored -- I'll still have to dilute it, no way I can handle nicotine that strong without massive nausea, but with the unflavored, I can add it to all my sweet flavors and still get the benefit.

Andria

 

[etherealink]

Ooooooooooo. Is this something that I can get to run on my laptop? Sometimes when I have a migraine I will put one of the soft soundscape channels on in the bedroom while I have my head under the covers. Seems to help but no picture and it seems to be on a one hour loop of music.

I do not have a cell phone. Remember, old lady here that is pretty anti tech.

Not sure about mindroid on a laptop but basically its a "binaural" beats thing and works best with headphones on...

 

[Topdogie01]

Uhm, im not sure if its compatable or if they have cleaned up the code to make it less bloated, but there is bluestacks for Windows that lets you run android apps on windows. Probably more hassle than its worth though.

 

[ShariR]

I do not have headphones either so won't work for me. Oh well, good try. Thanks.

Not sure about mindroid on a laptop but basically its a "binaural" beats thing and works best with headphones on...

 

[FinallyQuit]

Quick check in, great to have so many posts to catch up on. I can't see siggies on my iPod but I'm pretty sure it's been over 365 days since I put that ticker up. I was only truly smoke-free from July to thanksgiving. The months after that were touch-and-go. I never gave up vaping, just augmented quite a bit with Newport 100's.

From July until November my mood steadily went downhill and ended up in the toilet by December. WTA helped but it was way out of my budget for a lot of months! Early this year I was diagnosed with major depressive disorder and anxiety. I'm currently on 3 prescriptions to keep me functioning. There's been a LOT of stressful crap in my life lately, and cigarettes were always my go-to stress relief.

I finally realized they weren't filling that need for me anymore. That's a huge breakthrough for me, but I still smoke every.damn.time I'm around my sister.

Maybe I'll be truly smoke-free soon, maybe not, I can't stress about it anymore or beat myself up over it anymore. I have to get on with the business of living!

Welcome and good luck new friends, and hello old friends!!! We shall get through this together.

 

[alisa1970]

Sorry to hear about the dx FQ, but glad to hear from you! Hope you're on the mend!!