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I'd say if you've cut down from 2 or 3 pks a day to 6-10 cigarettes a day, you have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of!!! I'd give you a high-five if they had an icon like that! :D

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Aww thanks! That's fairly recently though. About a month ago I was still smoking a pack a day. I see so many people who have stopped completely with vaping but I feel a little bitter/angry toward myself since I'm not in that same crowd. Another issue I have is not being able to find flavors I like. Not sure if that's due to me still smoking or something else.
 

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Hi Loft, and welcome to the thread. Glad you found us. Make sure you bookmark us. Read through some of the older posts and you will find that we are a very supportive bunch here. There is no need to feel bad about not making that clean break from smoking. Smoking is like a best friend you grew up with, it is hard to put it aside. It calls to most of us. Heck, I would choose a cigarette over food for most of the 46 years I smoked.

What are you using for equipment and what vendors and flavors are you using? What nic level?

I started a little over a year ago with Vision Spinners and Evods and 510 attys to drip with and 24mg juice. It came together for me when I clicked with a particular juice and I vaped only that as an adv for the first 6 months.

I have since been able to branch out and now have a MVP2 and Provari and I am loving my Russian 91%. I just started Diy. I am a work in progress.

Hang out here with us. You will find some of us still smoke, some of us are struggling, some are fine being dual users and some of us vape only. No judgment here, just talk, advice and commentary. And friendship. Welcome again.



Aww thanks! That's fairly recently though. About a month ago I was still smoking a pack a day. I see so many people who have stopped completely with vaping but I feel a little bitter/angry toward myself since I'm not in that same crowd. Another issue I have is not being able to find flavors I like. Not sure if that's due to me still smoking or something else.
 

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Hi Loft, and welcome to the thread. Glad you found us. Make sure you bookmark us. Read through some of the older posts and you will find that we are a very supportive bunch here. There is no need to feel bad about not making that clean break from smoking. Smoking is like a best friend you grew up with, it is hard to put it aside. It calls to most of us. Heck, I would choose a cigarette over food for most of the 46 years I smoked.

What are you using for equipment and what vendors and flavors are you using? What nic level?

I started a little over a year ago with Vision Spinners and Evods and 510 attys to drip with and 24mg juice. It came together for me when I clicked with a particular juice and I vaped only that as an adv for the first 6 months.

I have since been able to branch out and now have a MVP2 and Provari and I am loving my Russian 91%. I just started Diy. I am a work in progress.

Hang out here with us. You will find some of us still smoke, some of us are struggling, some are fine being dual users and some of us vape only. No judgment here, just talk, advice and commentary. And friendship. Welcome again.

I appreciate the support. I will definitely take a look back and maybe distract myself so I don't smoke.

As far as equipment... I've used everything. Dripping, tanks, home built rigs, etc. I still have a Provari mini, some egos, and some mechanicals but right now I've gone back to basics and am using a 510 carto on my dna20 box mod. I typically vape VaporGod Arctic Wolf @ 24mg but I never feel satisfied. I chain vape to the point my throat is dry/numb from the menthol and still get nothing from it. I don't know if I've become immune to it, or something else... but for the last three days I've been vaping RY4 @ 18mg 80/20 PG/VG ratio and it seems to be helping. I've been toying with mixing in some WTA as it seems it is more readily available now versus when I first looked into it before. Thinking maybe that will get me over the hurdle... who knows. Hardest part for me is a lot of juices I've tried taste like absolute garbage.
 

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These make life much easier ;) I only use syringes for flavoring.

213C2 Karter Scientific Glass Graduated Cylinder 3 Piece Set 10, 50 & 100ml Karter Scientific http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006UKICQS/ref=cm_sw_r_udp_awd_03h1tb05SFM50

I lay out all my empty bottles then add nic base to all them followed by pg/vg followed by sweetener/additives (like AP, smooth, mts) then do individual flavors one bottle at a time.
I agree with you Lox. I always use syringes when I diy, I don't trust that whole *drop* method of measuring anything.

I found that 3ml and 6ml syringes will draw up even straight vg if you hold the plunger and wait for it to happen.

The 1ml syringes are only for flavorings and additives, they get rinsed in between flavors and of course after each mix session.

Oh and the markings on the syringes tends to wear off so put some clear tape over them before using them the first time (I had to reorder my first batch lol).

Also, diabetic syringes will work if you pull the needle out with a pair of pliers.
 

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Hey all. I didn't know this thread existed or I probably would have started posting in it sooner. I, too, am guilty of vaping and smoking. I went a long time without participating in the forums due to this. I felt like I was being a hypocrite. But here I am. I can't seem to kick the analog habit completely. I've been vaping for almost four years and when I started I was between 2 - 3 PAD... but now am at ~6-10 analogs per day. Think part of it is the juice I'm using, I don't feel stimulated at all from it.

I do feel rather ashamed though. I know I shouldn't... but it's definitely there.
Hey Loft

Nothing wrong with admitting to the struggle we all had/have and welcome to "Embrace the Suck 101"!

Let's see if we can get you sorted out here with a couple quick questions...

What juice strength are you vaping?

What are you vaping with/on?

Does anything trigger smoking or vaping for you?

Is there a mod/atomizer/juice/something you'd like to try that you haven't had a chance to yet?

OK, that's enough for now, anyway. A bunch of great people here and no judgemental B/S so no worries and take it an hour at a time if you need to. And keep counting the ones you don't smoke, eventually you'll forget to count..
 

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Hey Loft

Nothing wrong with admitting to the struggle we all had/have and welcome to "Embrace the Suck 101"!

Let's see if we can get you sorted out here with a couple quick questions...

What juice strength are you vaping?

What are you vaping with/on?

Does anything trigger smoking or vaping for you?

Is there a mod/atomizer/juice/something you'd like to try that you haven't had a chance to yet?

OK, that's enough for now, anyway. A bunch of great people here and no judgemental B/S so no worries and take it an hour at a time if you need to. And keep counting the ones you don't smoke, eventually you'll forget to count..

lol... ya love the name.

18mg ry4 & 24mg menthol
DNA20 Box mod w/ carto @ 7 watts for ry4 and genesis rba @ 15 watts for menthol
No particular triggers other than never feeling satisfied. Less satisfaction with the menthol.
I've tried so many, and don't think it's hardware or wetware.

I thank you for the warm welcome :)
 

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I found that I had to vape a sweet tobacco at 24mg to satisfy me in the beginning. The fruits, sweets and desserts did nothing for me. At one point I had over 150 different bottles of juice and I only had the 1 adv. I am a little better now, but I have been smoke free for a year now.

Personally, I do think you need to branch out a little. That ry4 is from what vendor. That flavor is very popular and it is mixed differently by almost all vendors so will taste a little different depending on where you buy it.

WTA is a good possibility for you. Several people in this thread use it and may be able to help you with how to use it. Or go over to the Aroma thread. I hear they have some good info and comments about how to get the most out of it.

I do not know what vendors you are using but if you have not seen this thread it is worth a look to check out possible good vendors.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...discussion/304212-top-5-vendors-e-liquid.html

I appreciate the support. I will definitely take a look back and maybe distract myself so I don't smoke.

As far as equipment... I've used everything. Dripping, tanks, home built rigs, etc. I still have a Provari mini, some egos, and some mechanicals but right now I've gone back to basics and am using a 510 carto on my dna20 box mod. I typically vape VaporGod Arctic Wolf @ 24mg but I never feel satisfied. I chain vape to the point my throat is dry/numb from the menthol and still get nothing from it. I don't know if I've become immune to it, or something else... but for the last three days I've been vaping RY4 @ 18mg 80/20 PG/VG ratio and it seems to be helping. I've been toying with mixing in some WTA as it seems it is more readily available now versus when I first looked into it before. Thinking maybe that will get me over the hurdle... who knows. Hardest part for me is a lot of juices I've tried taste like absolute garbage.
 

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I found that I had to vape a sweet tobacco at 24mg to satisfy me in the beginning. The fruits, sweets and desserts did nothing for me. At one point I had over 150 different bottles of juice and I only had the 1 adv. I am a little better now, but I have been smoke free for a year now.

Personally, I do think you need to branch out a little. That ry4 is from what vendor. That flavor is very popular and it is mixed differently by almost all vendors so will taste a little different depending on where you buy it.

WTA is a good possibility for you. Several people in this thread use it and may be able to help you with how to use it. Or go over to the Aroma thread. I hear they have some good info and comments about how to get the most out of it.

I do not know what vendors you are using but if you have not seen this thread it is worth a look to check out possible good vendors.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...discussion/304212-top-5-vendors-e-liquid.html

The menthol is Arctic Wolf from VaporGod Welcome to VaporGod.com - Eliquid, Cartomizers, Ego Batteries, Atomizers, Electronic Cigarettes and more! and the RY4 is from IkenVape Products

I'll take a look at that vendors list though.
 

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Do you like In Your Face flavors or more complex? These are a few of the good vendors I have tried and liked:

Ahlusion - they have some great tobaccos and wonderful desserts but you have to steep the tobaccos. Caramel Wild Wood has a smokey finish to it

The Plume Room - also some good net tobaccos and all their juices are flavorful

Goodlife vapor - their Deadly Sin is a rich cinnamon desserty tobacco and is very popular, many good full flavors

Fuzion vapor - strong fruits and candy type flavors

I only vape Ahlusion and Plume Room now. I only vaped sweet tobaccos for months. I do not know a lot of the newer, trendier vendors. I do not like the mints and menthols.

You may need to try a few new vendors. I found that I did not like some vendors' base so that meant I like none of their flavors. I got either peppery or chemical taste from some vendors juices.

If you like the ry4 there is a thread just about those juices. You would have to do a search for the thread, I do not have it bookmarked. There is also a thread for the NET tobaccos.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ussion/519685-natural-tobaccos-part-deux.html

The menthol is Arctic Wolf from VaporGod Welcome to VaporGod.com - Eliquid, Cartomizers, Ego Batteries, Atomizers, Electronic Cigarettes and more! and the RY4 is from IkenVape Products

I'll take a look at that vendors list though.
 
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Do you like In Your Face flavors or more complex? These are a few of the good vendors I have tried and liked:

Ahlusion - they have some great tobaccos and wonderful desserts but you have to steep the tobaccos. Caramel Wild Wood has a smokey finish to it

The Plume Room - also some good net tobaccos and all their juices are flavorful

Goodlife vapor - their Deadly Sin is a rich cinnamon desserty tobacco and is very popular, many good full flavors

Fuzion vapor - strong fruits and candy type flavors

I only vape Ahlusion and Plume Room now. I only vaped sweet tobaccos for months. I do not know a lot of the newer, trendier vendors. I do not like the mints and menthols.

You may need to try a few new vendors. I found that I did not like some vendors' base so that meant I like none of their flavors. I got either peppery or chemical taste from some vendors juices.

If you like the ry4 there is a thread just about those juices. You would have to do a search for the thread, I do not have it bookmarked. There is also a thread for the NET tobaccos.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ussion/519685-natural-tobaccos-part-deux.html

To be completely honest... I don't know what I like. RY4 from IkenVape is the only flavor outside of menthol that I've used. I used to try a whole bunch of flavors from freedomsmokeusa, v4l, smoketip, pinkspot vapers... couple other vendors - and they all sucked (for me). That's why I settled on using menthol for the last two years. I spent around a grand taste testing and then decided to give up. And it's not that I can't afford taste testing but I was buying all this juice and getting the same bad results and I thought I was starting to lose my mind lmao.

And Alisa I ordered a couple WTA juices last night but I don't know what Snus is - can't look it up right now as I'm at work. Is it a different kind of juice?
 

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Aww thanks! That's fairly recently though. About a month ago I was still smoking a pack a day. I see so many people who have stopped completely with vaping but I feel a little bitter/angry toward myself since I'm not in that same crowd. Another issue I have is not being able to find flavors I like. Not sure if that's due to me still smoking or something else.

I know what you mean about being angry with yourself; I managed to quit very easily back in Feb, no problem at all; but in June I got very ill, and very dehydrated, and ended up smoking again while I tried to recuperate and fix the dehydration problem. I'd see peoples' banners around the forum with x amount of time smoke-free, and remember that I was actually here before them, with x amount of time smoke-free before they ever got here, and just feel like slapping myself. But it's not a competition, I had to keep reminding myself; if I had kept vaping after my illness, when I was so dehydrated, likely I would have ended up back in the hospital with needles in my veins, and that was no fun even for 1 day with a laparoscopic appendectomy, so I sure didn't want to have to return as an in-patient!

Finding the right taste can be the crux of the matter; it was for me, back in Feb, and it was again a couple days ago when I had finally reacquired my taste for vaping vs. cigarettes -- until I got back to the point that I actually liked my regular all-day-vape Virginia, I couldn't return full-time. Definitely branch out, try some different flavors! If you have any vape stores near you, maybe you can taste some without having to invest in them "blindly". I find all the RY4 flavors much too sweet, just can't stand 'em, so I had to try quite a few tobacco flavors to find one that really suited me -- I smoked Virginia Slims for 30+ yrs of my 39 total as a smoker, so I was QUITE attached to that taste -- when I had my first 30 days smoke-free, someone joked that when I first got here, all I really wanted was a Virginia Slim on a battery! ;) But when I found the PG-blend Virginia at MyfreedomSmokes.com, I was like "EUREKA!" I knew I had finally found the way to quit smoking -- so imagine my chagrin after my illness, when I tried to vape, and it tasted as awful to me as everything else did at that point.

The main thing about vaping though, is harm reduction, and it sounds like you're doing very well on that, reducing your smoking so drastically because of vaping, so vaping is doing its job. Many of us have found that vaping is the ONLY way we could ever have finally quit smoking, so that may still come true for you, but like Shari said, it's kinda like leaving behind an old friend; only natural if it takes some people longer than others to finally say goodbye, I'd got a new friend that won't kill me! :D

hang in there! :thumb:
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Those look nice Lox. But I do not understand how they are to be used. Maybe I am too tired and confused. Are you mixing all the pg/vg for all the bottles at one time? Like making a base mix? When I use the ejuice me up, all the percentages for all the different bottles I am making are all different. I am totally misunderstanding something here. I am still in kindergarten for this diy stuff.

I am amazed that I made something I really like right off the bat since we all know how fussy of a vaper I am. I am dripping the Caramel Pear Black Tea I made today and with the flavors all at 5% it is vaping very nice. I am happy. The black tea is not real present so I will probably have to bump that up a little. I will give it a couple of weeks to see how it ages.

Example using 36mg nic base to make 30mls 18mg juice flavored at 10%

15mls nic base - using graduated cylinder
12mls pg/vg - using cylinder
3mls flavorings using syringe for however many mls of each flavor being used

Measuring nic base or pg/vg with a syringe would take more effort than just pouring it in a cylinder. A 3ml syringe would take 5 fills to get 15mls etc. like baking a cake using a measuring cup as opposed to a tablespoon.
 

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To be completely honest... I don't know what I like. RY4 from IkenVape is the only flavor outside of menthol that I've used. I used to try a whole bunch of flavors from freedomsmokeusa, v4l, smoketip, pinkspot vapers... couple other vendors - and they all sucked (for me). That's why I settled on using menthol for the last two years. I spent around a grand taste testing and then decided to give up. And it's not that I can't afford taste testing but I was buying all this juice and getting the same bad results and I thought I was starting to lose my mind lmao.

And Alisa I ordered a couple WTA juices last night but I don't know what Snus is - can't look it up right now as I'm at work. Is it a different kind of juice?

Finding your adv is just as important as finding the right equip that works for you. Everyone is different. Also keep in mind that there are estimates of up to 2/3rds of vapers are dual users with cigs. I think there are reasons that's high but it still leads me to believe vaping isn't an instant transition for many; i.e. there's a lot of secretive smoking going on. IMO we've been banished to the back porch for too long. LOL!

It might be worth it for you to go to a decent vape shop in person / vape meet or regional meet. That way you could try a variety of flavors before buying and get some that you know worked. Taste buds change and the fact you are still smoking probably alters flavors / mutes them so there's little taste. That's my experience anyway. I needed to look for strong, in your face, smack me type flavors and most, just by reading about them, were NOT flavors I would have picked for myself. Just adding flavor shots doesn't work because too much flavor will actually knock it back down to zero. There is a juice trade in the PIF section that may help too.

I think you'll like the Aroma WTA too. Snus maybe a good option for you too. It's small packets placed between gum and cheek. You want mini packets, General brand and the Swedish stuff. In my state, they don't allow it to be seen from the counter or any advertising so even though it was there - I didn't know it. There's no explaining some of these laws. I think there's others that can explain more and there's a snus thread on ECF also.

I also had to improve my vaping technique, holding it my mouth longer, then exhaling through my nose. Most of the nic is asorbed through mucous membranes in your mouth and nose, not lungs. I was vaping like I was smoking and it helped to change that.

Cig manufacturers have admitted to adding things to cigs to make them more addictive without upping the nic content. I don't think nic is the only thing that keeps me on cigs. I tend to find it easier to vape when I use chemical free RYO rather than commercial cigs. That's so subjective that it's really hard to say for sure, but it helps me and that's what counts. I know that vaping isn't replacing something - WTA helps - but it's still not all of the story. I do believe that this is the golden age of vaping in that we have more available now which allows every smoker to find what they need to quit than ever before.

Some on this forum have taken years before they were able to quit completely (we don't kick people off for not smoking LOL). Some are comfortable with being moderate smokers. Where ever your comfort zone is that's ok. I have found that I need everything as convienent as a cig and others find that fiddling with stuff keeps them focused on vaping. So there's a wide range. I think stress is the most common thing which is why this thread goes off topic (alot). It's about support.

Welcome!
 
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Awwww. Sorry it went for you that way yesterday.
But don't feel too bad. I don't think there is an aspect of vaping that doesn't have some kind of learning curve. We even had to relearn how to draw when we first picked up a cigalike.
I've mixed a lot of juice. But for awhile, it was really hit and miss. You will get there though. Just takes practice.


I am a little embarrassed to even say how this Diy session went. I only mixed juice up 2 times before. It has been a couple of months so I had to figure it out all over again. I could not get the top off the syringe to use the needle so I just took the whole needle assembly off and tried syringe that way. Was fine with the flavors but had trouble with the pg since I could not get the syringe body into the bottle so I tipped it and held it to make a semi seal. Real messy and a Pain in the Bottom. Then I put too much of one flavor in one bottle and could not remember which one it was.

That taught me that I need to make one bottle at a time. Evidently my mind no longer multi tasks as well as it used to. Still came out good though. But I need to come up with a system to follow, better than what I did today.
 

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I have the same thing. It really is a good mod.
That's the other thing. I no more than get all set up and proficient at sub-ohming with mech mods and they make the jump to high wattage devices.
Oh well. I prefer old school anyways.
I usually use my Zmax with a 1.5 resistance build for juices that lose flavor more quickly at high wattage. Running between 9-12 watts usually brings out the flavor more perfectly.
In my experience, I haven't found a lot of juices that retain a lot of flavor when you get past 13 watts.
But that's vaping. Gear for everyone's preference.
Long story short, I am very happy with my Zmax v3

Yep, a Sigelei Zmax v3. I've heard the v3s are being phased out now, in favor of the v5s, since they came out with the high wattage devices, so I'm glad I got my v3 while DesertVapes had them for $39.95!

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Me too. Some of the stress I was talking about is related to that. I mean everyone has problems, but I have a nasty habit of overthinking things - everything. I must say I am blessed that I am being forced right now to take things more simply.
And I am learning how awful the words "what if" truly are. They don't give you any help for tomorrow. They just make today more difficult.

That is a great idea, Top. I tend to overthink stuff and make it more difficult than it needs to be.
 
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Well, I did pretty good for about three days. As soon as my jaw was healed up enough to handle smoking, I fell off the wagon. That was last night.
But it wasn't simply that I got past the "dry socket" window. Had a rough couple nights. So going on diminished sleep and all the stuff going on, I ended up smoking a pack and a half from last night to today.

Not really complaining. Just kind of giving an update. Don't like people left in the dark after I told them one thing then the situation changes.

Point is I went three days without a cigarette. I put the other half of the second pack far away from me outside and am vaping again. I am not saying I am never going to smoke again. Just saying I am reminded from the last three days that I can do better, I really DO enjoy vaping more and I don't have to give up after a slip. Nothing I didn't already know. Just when you go through so many slips, it's nice to have a win.
Also keeping the cigs outside - I am probably going to end up smoking when I am outside for extended periods of time, at least while my situation is what it is (with everything going on). But keeping them outside where I work is going to GREATLY diminish my smoking.
Plus living in Vegas, they will probably be pretty dry by morning. Dry cigarettes are always a deterrent to smoking. lol

I am considering those three days a win.
I am considering putting the second half of the second pack outside a win.
Even with my slip last night and this morning, I am vaping more, which is a win.

Thank y'all for being here

three days is a great accomplishment!! Wahoo!!!
glad to hear your past the dry socket stage.... that sucks! Been there done that!

I have been paying attention to by body when I smoke more... and using that in my mind, leveraging myself to vape more.. if that makes any sense.
 
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