i don't know how if i did i would put up wildly dancing banana's... this day marks 2 years off analogs and vaping strongly.
Congrats, JJ!!! Good work!
Here ya go on the manic bananas.
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Congrats, JJ!!! Good work!
Here ya go on the manic bananas.
Hi, Mak. It seems like you're on to something that will work for you. Cutting down to 2 or 3 cigs a day is a huge improvement and something to be proud of. Keep up the good work! 
Hi Mak and welcome to the thread. Read what you posted here today. You are already a winner. Sticking with vaping for over 5 years and upgrading your gear and the ability to keep trying makes you a winner.
Great to hear that you found gear that works for you. Those last 2 or 3 cigarettes a day, especially for a long time smoker, are the hardest. It is more of an emotional and psychological addiction than a physical one. It is hard to give up your best friend. Keep exploring, find some juices that you love and can vape over an extended time. And stay engaged.
Think about whether you really want that cigarette and vape your brains out until the urge leaves. Can you get some higher level nic to vape for when you are feeling those cravings? That seems to help many get past those urges to smoke. WTA juice works for some people too.
You are doing fabulous. You really are. I bet your doctor thinks so too. Going from multiple packs a day to 2 or cigarettes a day is a major accomplishment.
Hang out here for a while, read back through the thread. There is a link a ways back that for the 1st Smoking thread and the read from the beginning through that summer of 2013 has lots of great stuff and insights on how several of us deal with vaping and smoking/not smoking.
Great to hear that you found gear that works for you. Those last 2 or 3 cigarettes a day, especially for a long time smoker, are the hardest. It is more of an emotional and psychological addiction than a physical one. It is hard to give up your best friend. Keep exploring, find some juices that you love and can vape over an extended time. And stay engaged.
Think about whether you really want that cigarette and vape your brains out until the urge leaves. Can you get some higher level nic to vape for when you are feeling those cravings? That seems to help many get past those urges to smoke. WTA juice works for some people too.
You are doing fabulous. You really are. I bet your doctor thinks so too. Going from multiple packs a day to 2 or cigarettes a day is a major accomplishment.
Hang out here for a while, read back through the thread. There is a link a ways back that for the 1st Smoking thread and the read from the beginning through that summer of 2013 has lots of great stuff and insights on how several of us deal with vaping and smoking/not smoking.
(((HUGS)))
i don't know how if i did i would put up wildly dancing banana's... this day marks 2 years off analogs and vaping strongly.
Wowza, Congrats! Good vibes! You can do it!
Took me 7 months as a dual user, before I finally quit smoking. It'll be 6 months on April 17th, yet last weekend I was jonesing for a cigarette worse than ever.
I upped my nic level and vaped through it, but it was a close call. Remember, it's the ones you don't smoke that count!
Shari, try 1ml batches, take lots of notes and get "ejuice me up" great juice calculator and free recipes all for free.
Holy carp, over 30% flavor! I normally don't break 18%!I like the VT TH nic just fine, though honestly I'm not sure I can tell a lot of diff compared to wizlabs' nicotine -- I still use Flash to really accentuate the TH -- but I love the price of that TH nicotine -- just $10 for 120ml, and I think it's less than $50 for a whole liter.
I had quite a few frustrating attempts at making something blueberry that I really liked; like others have said, I was in a self-defeating rut -- I couldn't make anything that tasted just like sweet-vapes' blueberry muffin, so I thought that meant I was a failure. But then I started reading in the TFA thread, about using creams and vanillas and sweetener, about using high levels of flavoring to avoid that tedious steeping thing, and I got some Inawera Shisha Strawberry and mixed it with some TFA DX bavarian cream, vanilla swirl, CAP sweet cream, and some sweetener -- OH YEAH, THAT'S GREAT!!!!!!!!!!! No failure there at all! It's been my ADV for more than 3 months, it's so yummy!
Inawera Shisha Strawberry 16%
TFA DX Bavarian Cream 6%
TFA Vanilla Swirl 4.50%
CAP Sweet Cream 2%
TFA Sweetener2%
It's a real gunker, with all that flavoring, but I don't even care! It's delicious! Diketone-free, too!
Andria
High-flavor-mix technique is normally 25%-35% flavoring, to avoid steeping, or keep it down to just hours instead of days or weeks.
Andria
I like the VT TH nic just fine, though honestly I'm not sure I can tell a lot of diff compared to wizlabs' nicotine -- I still use Flash to really accentuate the TH -- but I love the price of that TH nicotine -- just $10 for 120ml, and I think it's less than $50 for a whole liter.
I had quite a few frustrating attempts at making something blueberry that I really liked; like others have said, I was in a self-defeating rut -- I couldn't make anything that tasted just like sweet-vapes' blueberry muffin, so I thought that meant I was a failure. But then I started reading in the TFA thread, about using creams and vanillas and sweetener, about using high levels of flavoring to avoid that tedious steeping thing, and I got some Inawera Shisha Strawberry and mixed it with some TFA DX bavarian cream, vanilla swirl, CAP sweet cream, and some sweetener -- OH YEAH, THAT'S GREAT!!!!!!!!!!! No failure there at all! It's been my ADV for more than 3 months, it's so yummy!
Inawera Shisha Strawberry 16%
TFA DX Bavarian Cream 6%
TFA Vanilla Swirl 4.50%
CAP Sweet Cream 2%
TFA Sweetener 2%
It's a real gunker, with all that flavoring, but I don't even care! It's delicious! Diketone-free, too!
Andria
Holy Cannolli. That is a LOT of flavoring. I've rarely heard of 20% even with higher % brands like TFA / FW /NF (which I don't use). I stick to lower % brands like SC/Bakers/FLV/NN/FA and some INW. There's a couple others I haven't tried yet but 5% total is about the max. Bakers has got some excellent creams, although they are a PITA to get. I wish there was more activity on the flavoring PIF thread. It'd be nice to swap out flavorings that I don't use for ones I haven't tried yet.
Well I just learned last week that per the Nicotine Comparison thread that when they say "peppery" they are not reffering to flavor but the the "peppery tingle" nic can have. The VT-TH is said to not have a taste, but it's got that tingle. I'm going to have to break down and try it. NN has a 15ml sample that can be ordered for $2 + shipping. They also sell a number of flavor enhancers I like.
The NN problem was one batch, and that was replaced. Most of their customer base is wholesale and I was surprised at how many premium juices use it. One of my favorites is Open Source and they use VT. I've had nic from WL, MFS, RTS and NN. Out of those NN was tops for clean and no TH (I hate TH). I'm going to try VT next. Bull City Vapes is another source for VT and I think shipping is less.
DIY is trial and error. Some people are lucky to fall into what works for them fairly easily (and even then I think it's selective memory). Ask me in a month and I'll have changed my opinion about everything. Just the way it goes I guess. I think it's worth it to find whatever it is you like best. I'd like to get into the tea flavors. I got some peach tea that I vaped in a day it was so good - then it was discontinued!!! I hate that.
I do use max VG and there's no way around long steep times because of it's thickness. No extra flavor is needed with proper steeping which inclues fruits when in VG. I steep for up to 5 months. Makes a huge difference. It's part of the price I pay for VG. There's a new sub on Reddit dealing with flavor molecules.
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Yeah I don't taste anything peculiar in that TH nicotine; but maybe I use less of the Flash, since I started using the TH nic. I discovered about 8 months ago that I VASTLY prefer the sweet/fruity/creamy/bakery type vapes, instead of the tobacco flavors, but unfortunately I'm not satisfied with a vape if there's not a substantial TH, so 1) TH nic, 2) Flash, and 3) high PG for ME!
The only real problem with high-flavor-mixing is the extreme coil gunking it causes -- and, yet to be determined, if there are any hazards associated with inhaling food flavors. I avoid diketones as far as Im able (that strawberry recipe is as diketone-free as I can make it, but since that shisha strawberry is an organic flavor, there might actually be some naturally-occurring diketones in it -- I really don't know).
Andria
Flash is just an additive, in the same manner as "Smooth," but I guess it does kinda the opposite -- it accentuates whatever tingle is present from the nicotine/PG combo -- it doesn't do much by itself, but in the presence of nicotine, it's sort of an amplifier.
That is very true about over-flavoring, with some flavors -- I've found it very true of blueberry, and frankly, over-flavoring with tobacco flavors is just... awesomely, epically BAD. The key to this high-flavor-mix thing is to use as much of the main flavor as you can without it getting muted or disgusting... and then match that percentage with assorted creams, vanillas, and sweetener, to "bolster" the main flavor. That's actually what we taste in any given food product, a combination of flavors, but most people don't mentally catalog everything they taste in a hard candy, or a doughnut, or a cupcake, they just yum the yum.
The fact is that every single thing that goes into making a cake or a pie or anything else is part of the taste, which is why it can be very difficult to replicate the flavor of, say, an apple pie.Andria
Have you tried steeping with a hot water bath? 150-160° water (low crock pot) can make a complex flavor steep in just a few hours instead of days. Just make sure you steep in glass bottle.
It's been so many years since I even got the crockpot out of the box, I really have no idea if it still works, and I really don't have counter space to spare, with that mess of vape stuff all over one of them. I've tried hot water, just refreshing it as it cools, but I could never tell much difference. I prefer to mix it strong, and not need to steep it at all -- usually with juices I steep, I just forget about, and end up throwing away.
Andria
Aik,
I'm right there with you on the th and max vg. I tend to keep unflavored on hand for when I'm playing with new flavors.
I haven't tried NN nicotine base yet, but I have NicSelect that I got from MFS that is smooth and crisp even down at 3mg and 85% vg.
Have a link for that reddit thread?
Fair point. If you get a chance to try it let me know what you think.
Well, I broke out the credit card and bought a liter of VapersTek 100mg/ml in pg for $125.00 and free shipping. I sure do hope that it is as good as many say it is. I also went on Amazon and picked up a quart each of pg and vg and a dozen 4oz boston round amber bottles. I figure I will split the nic into the bottles and freeze it and take the last bottle and break that down into 30ml blue glass and make it 50mg/ml 50/50. Freeze all but one at a time.
I have read a good part of the DIY Forum here but either I can not find or do not understand how I figure my percentages for when I tweak a recipe. Let's say I make a Caramel ry4 as follows: 12mg nic in pg, 8% ry4double, and 1% caramel, in a 70/30pg/vg. I make this, taste it and tweak it with another 1% caramel. I use ejuicemeup.
How do I update that original recipe? If I just change the caramel from 1% to 2% in the recipe it changes all the values. Is tweaking a recipe a guessing game or am I totally missing something. My gut tells me it is a guessing game.
I do not want to make DIY into a mad chemistry project, but I would like to know how you all here do this part of your DIY. I am pretty dense until I get how it works. Thanks for any help here. I know I will understand you all (and I do not want to appear as dumb as I am in the TFA thread).
You all can laugh at me, but don't tell anyone else....
I have read a good part of the DIY Forum here but either I can not find or do not understand how I figure my percentages for when I tweak a recipe. Let's say I make a Caramel ry4 as follows: 12mg nic in pg, 8% ry4double, and 1% caramel, in a 70/30pg/vg. I make this, taste it and tweak it with another 1% caramel. I use ejuicemeup.
How do I update that original recipe? If I just change the caramel from 1% to 2% in the recipe it changes all the values. Is tweaking a recipe a guessing game or am I totally missing something. My gut tells me it is a guessing game.
I do not want to make DIY into a mad chemistry project, but I would like to know how you all here do this part of your DIY. I am pretty dense until I get how it works. Thanks for any help here. I know I will understand you all (and I do not want to appear as dumb as I am in the TFA thread).
You all can laugh at me, but don't tell anyone else....Well, I broke out the credit card and bought a liter of VapersTek 100mg/ml in pg for $125.00 and free shipping. I sure do hope that it is as good as many say it is. I also went on Amazon and picked up a quart each of pg and vg and a dozen 4oz boston round amber bottles. I figure I will split the nic into the bottles and freeze it and take the last bottle and break that down into 30ml blue glass and make it 50mg/ml 50/50. Freeze all but one at a time.
I have read a good part of the DIY Forum here but either I can not find or do not understand how I figure my percentages for when I tweak a recipe. Let's say I make a Caramel ry4 as follows: 12mg nic in pg, 8% ry4double, and 1% caramel, in a 70/30pg/vg. I make this, taste it and tweak it with another 1% caramel. I use ejuicemeup.
How do I update that original recipe? If I just change the caramel from 1% to 2% in the recipe it changes all the values. Is tweaking a recipe a guessing game or am I totally missing something. My gut tells me it is a guessing game.
I do not want to make DIY into a mad chemistry project, but I would like to know how you all here do this part of your DIY. I am pretty dense until I get how it works. Thanks for any help here. I know I will understand you all (and I do not want to appear as dumb as I am in the TFA thread).
I would put in nic at 100mg (if that's what you have) and you are following a reciepe to use one of the calculators. The tweaking's been done (not really - keep good notes and re-enter based on your new reciepe). It's not perfect.
Personally, I'd work without nic and mix apx 15ml of a base. Then split into 3x5ml's. Tweak each one, keep notes and then mix the final using the calculator based on your notes. There's always going to be guessing when you tweak a reciepe.
The other piece of advice would be to know your flavors. Put a drop into 4 to 8 oz of water and drink it. Doing that gives me an idea of intesity and tones. It's not precise. Just a place to start from.
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