Stocking up for Potential Ban Pics

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maxx

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I think....if a ban should come down on a national level (aside from just import siezures), there will be some warning. Lots of people watching the FDA like hawks. Best to wander out of the V4L forum sometimes and check out the news, legal and campaign forums occasionally to keep up on things. Also...plenty of good information in the DIY forums. As far as state bans go....everything I am hearing is that even if Illinois passes the bill into law on e-cig bans....they would still be available online, which is where we buy anyway. Generally speaking....states are not allowed to step on federal toes in matters of interstate commerce. ;)
 

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I think....if a ban should come down on a national level (aside from just import siezures), there will be some warning. Lots of people watching the FDA like hawks. Best to wander out of the V4L forum sometimes and check out the news, legal and campaign forums occasionally to keep up on things. Also...plenty of good information in the DIY forums. As far as state bans go....everything I am hearing is that even if Illinois passes the bill into law on e-cig bans....they would still be available online, which is where we buy anyway. Generally speaking....states are not allowed to step on federal toes in matters of interstate commerce. ;)

And from what I hear, California is changing the wording of the bill to ONLY ban sales to minors. I don't know if this is the last draft, but at least I see a glimmer of hope. I don't mind paying taxes as long I have legal access to nicotine. God know I'm an adult and I know what I'm doing. As long as cigs are legal, how can they ban things that are much less harmful? Are cigarettes approved by the FDA? Is booz? What a bunch of nonsense.
 

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True, but MaryKay, I really think we all need to be SunVaporers. I need a long time to stock up, and many of us can't stock up for only one person. There are smoking neighbors, friends, and relatives too. There are even friends and neighbors we haven't met yet, who can end up being smokers and in need of help from someone who stocked up. Thanks for the ideas, MaryKay, I will also need about 300 blank carties for a few years, for me alone. If I stock up for 2 relatives or friends, or future friends, I'll need about a thousand carties and plenty of passthroughs.
 

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You are a kind person! I like that. But you are also thinking end of the world. true a ban will be hard on us but I believe it won't stand for long..somebody will come out with "legal" crap. That will reopen the door.
Also you are in the vaping is forever mode of thinking. To some of us it may come to an end (God willing). To be smoke free and vape free is my dream.
 

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You are a kind person! I like that. But you are also thinking end of the world. true a ban will be hard on us but I believe it won't stand for long..somebody will come out with "legal" crap. That will reopen the door.
Also you are in the vaping is forever mode of thinking. To some of us it may come to an end (God willing). To be smoke free and vape free is my dream.

Even if the worst happens, they can't ban no-nic juices and batteries and stuff. The ban is on tobacco products. So I'll use my stash of snus and Stonewall, or I'll get a patch or gum, and I'll vape 0 nic. What's the problem? There are solutions, and loopholes, and, well, this is still America. They tried prohibition before. Didn't work so well, did it? And look how well we're doing with our war on drugs, and prostitution is also illegal in this country, isn't it? Come on guys, no need to hoard and go nuts. You're just parting with your money. It's all going to be fine.
 

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But I AM a showoff so here goes:


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I have about 3-4 months of juices, nothing really photo worthy. I'm not organized enough to make it pretty.

There is a bit of hope- at least for the immediate future in a couple of states that were targeted. The Maryland ban bill died in committee ("safe for this year") and the California bill was amended only to prohibit sales to minors. It's possible that vaper's voices did make a few politicos actually look at the background. I agree with Maxx- check out the campaigning forum - for example here's one person at the FDA who needs our cards and letters...JMSharf1@fda.hhs.gov

from Bill Godshall
Josh Sharfstein is the Deputy Commissioner of the FDA in charge of its drug office that issued the notice adding e-cigarettes to Custom's import restriction list, that has overseen all enforcement actions against e-cigarettes, and that refuses to classify and regulate e-cigarettes as tobacco products.

Sharfstein also organized and ran the FDA's July 22, 2009 press conference where he knowingly and intentionally misrepresented the evidence about e-cigarettes. One of the so-called public health experts who Sharfstein brought in to trash e-cigarettes at the press conference was Jonathan Samet, who was recently rewarded for his e-cigarette demonization and prohibition activism by being named Chair of the FDA tobacco scientific advisory committee.

From 2003 to 2007, Sharfstein was Henry Waxman's legislative staffer whose responsibility was to lobby other members of Congress to enact the FDA tobacco legislation (after Waxman and Sharfstein were involved in negotiation and agreeing to the legislation with Philip Morris).

Sharfstein is an abstinence-only tobacco/nicotine prohibitionist who has gone to great lengths since 2003 to mislead the public to inaccurately believe that all tobacco/nicotine products (except NRT products marketed as smoking cessation aids) are similarly hazardous, to mislead the public to believe that smokefree tobacco products are being target marketed to youth (instead of to adult smokers), and to oppose every effort to amend the FDA tobacco legislation to thruthfully inform the public that smokefree tobacco/nicotine products are 99% less hazardous alternatives to cigarettes.

this was my 300th post- does that mean I'm super too?
 
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Learn to DIY, read the forums. Find a source for tobacco flavorings and check out the other flavorings..LorAnn's Bickfords faries finest and capela are a few. They do not compare to V4L but if you can't order..you will vape them.

Check out places to buy P.G. V.G. and Glycerin. Tractor suppy sells P.G. for 20.00 to 25.00 a gallon.

Find a source for Nicotine unflavored liquid.

Totally agreed. Not only is DIY easy, it's a lot of fun. You get to act like a mad scientist mixing things up. Just recently I purchased 625ml of 60mg unflavored. Since I normally use 20-ish, it'll stretch pretty far.

As a side note, don't get curious and vape the 60mg unflavored. It's not pleasant.
 

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Are there sources other than China even if in the blueprints? I didn't think about it till now, but what about China (not the FDA), couldn't China shut the plants down? Or, on the other very opposite hand, couldn't China lobby-bribe our lawmakers on our behalf?


v1John--China has 10 factories that bang out e-cigs. It is good business for them and they are not going away. Remember we are talking about a Country that is all about exporting their wares and does not care how much pollution they create. Did you see how long they had to shut down the factories in China just so we could see though the smog for the Summer Olympics?

As for China ponying up any money to help out the cause here----it has not happened yet and I wish they would, but I think their plan is to let some other entity do it---like SE and NJOY as Suppliers fighting the battle on their own. Those Manufactures in China really left us with a mess on our hands to say the least.


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Ahhhhnold didn't get my vote the last time around, but I'll place his framed photo on my wall if this works out because of him. May even rent all his films to watch while vaping. :thumb: Actually, he's done a few other surprisingly good things during his reign, too.

I'm with you jeffree! He surprised me a lot during his tenure as governator. In a good way. ;)
 
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