Stopped by the Cops. Mini's have their place.

[Mac]

You should move to another country then because that cop was doing his job. The fact is that 90% of the modded devices look like drug paraphernalia.

I should move to another country? Which country would you suggest? Or were you being insincere?

So you support a totalitarian society where the police are all powerful and their actions may not be questioned? If so then it is you and not I who is in the wrong country. A country founded on the principles of being free from tyranny. Free from oppression. Free from invasive measures by government agents. If you want to live under a dictatorship where the ruling body may do whatever it wants and you have no voice, no say and no right to question that body. Then I submit that it is you and not I who should move to another country.

I hear russia is nice.

 

[Jim Davis]

So a cop can pull anyone over that "may" have a pen in their mouth. got it

But a "pen" blowing clouds of vapor? Possibly.

 

[brownbrown4]

I understand there are two sides to everything Mac, but in my case, I travel 100% for work. My wife is alone in the house for weeks at a time. I welcome any cop who will stop to check out anything suspicious looking in my neighborhood.

good point... very very good point....
and the fact that you were hanging out in the Ghetto, gives more of a reason for them to be more safe than sorry.
But i think mac was commenting on my post. i was in Malibu, and Burbank. high scale areas of Cali....

 

[brownbrown4]

I hear russia is nice.

Top 6 hottest women in the WORLD! But COLD as crap.

 

[Mac]

I understand there are two sides to everything Mac, but in my case, I travel 100% for work. My wife is alone in the house for weeks at a time. I welcome any cop who will stop to check out anything suspicious looking in my neighborhood.

I get what you are saying, Jim I really do. No one wants some crackhead creeping around on his or her lawn. No one wants violent criminals or narcotics gangs around their family. But there has to be a standard. There has to be accountability. You holding some weird looking black thing that a cop doesn't recognize does not equate to him having the right to detain you and certainly not to force you into a physically submissive position in my opinion.

 

[brownbrown4]

But a "pen" blowing clouds of vapor? Possibly.

crack doesnt make very much smoke (lol, i watch lots of "Intervention")
but ,TU CHE in any case.

 

[BigJimW]

just because something is "standard procedure" does NOT make it ok.

Police work is dangerous enough as it is. Would YOU want some high crackhead walking towards you with his hands in his pockets? For all you know, he'll pull out a gun and blow your head off.

Sure, there are a few bad apples in the police bunch, but the majority of the people working on the police force in this country are hard working and honest. And they put their lives on the line daily.

I see nothing wrong with Jims situation. Apparently a drug situation was going on in the neighborhood and he was vaping in the area, raising an officers suspisions. Officer told Jim to interlace his hands behind his head and walk towards him (which by the way, would SAVE your life, as any sudden move will get the cops gun out. The interlace behind your head is not a bully tactic at all, it's there to protect both officer and suspect). Jim complied, talked to the officer, and that was that. Jim was let go to go on his merry way.

Now, if the officer beat the living crap out of Jim like Rodney King, then I'd have a problem.

 

[Mycide]

I have been waiting for this to happen to me. I use my mod in public. It the flashlight maddog used extended to hold a 18650. On top is a usb connection to my 510 atty. On the body is a switch and an led.

To me it looks like I am holding some sort of remote detonator. Its a device with a switch, led, and what looks like an antenna on top. I would not go walking in to any high security area with it in my hand, and often wonder when someone around me is going to call the police over suspicion of what it could be.

 

[SLDS181]

Police work is dangerous enough as it is. Would YOU want some high crackhead walking towards you with his hands in his pockets? For all you know, he'll pull out a gun and blow your head off.

Well.... I've got a few friends in narcotics, and they definitely don't handle it like they did with Jim. They are alot cleaner in their approach, and not as confrontational.

I don't have a specific problem with how the officer who approached Jim handled himself. He saw something suspicious, he acted, and once he found it he misread the situation, it was defused and done with, and he apparently acted pretty reasonably. I'd call that ok (not great, but ok) in my book. And I'm critical. VERY critical

 

[Mac]

Police work is dangerous enough as it is. Would YOU want some high crackhead walking towards you with his hands in his pockets? For all you know, he'll pull out a gun and blow your head off.

Sure, there are a few bad apples in the police bunch, but the majority of the people working on the police force in this country are hard working and honest. And they put their lives on the line daily.

I see nothing wrong with Jims situation. Apparently a drug situation was going on in the neighborhood and he was vaping in the area, raising an officers suspisions. Officer told Jim to interlace his hands behind his head and walk towards him (which by the way, would SAVE your life, as any sudden move will get the cops gun out. The interlace behind your head is not a bully tactic at all, it's there to protect both officer and suspect). Jim complied, talked to the officer, and that was that. Jim was let go to go on his merry way.

Now, if the officer beat the living crap out of Jim like Rodney King, then I'd have a problem.

Have you ever met a crackhead? I have and let me tell you, you can see them coming a mile away. I would be willing to bet that Jim doesn't fit the description.

I am absolutely not anti-police. I understand that they are necessary and why. I am only saying that they have bit too much authority. Remember that what they can make you do is often based on their personal opinion and not fact. If a cop sees someone breaking the law he is in his rights to detain question and arrest that person. But if a cop sees something odd that he doesn't understand, he shouldn't just be able to make you assume the position. In my opinion that is too much power for a human to wield. I agree that most of them are good people who took the job to help. And yes you only have to meet one bad cop to put a bad taste in your mouth toward law enforcement that lasts a lifetime.

In short I see what you are saying but, disagree.

 

[Jim Davis]

Police work is dangerous enough as it is. Would YOU want some high crackhead walking towards you with his hands in his pockets? For all you know, he'll pull out a gun and blow your head off.

Sure, there are a few bad apples in the police bunch, but the majority of the people working on the police force in this country are hard working and honest. And they put their lives on the line daily.

I see nothing wrong with Jims situation. Apparently a drug situation was going on in the neighborhood and he was vaping in the area, raising an officers suspisions. Officer told Jim to interlace his hands behind his head and walk towards him (which by the way, would SAVE your life, as any sudden move will get the cops gun out. The interlace behind your head is not a bully tactic at all, it's there to protect both officer and suspect). Jim complied, talked to the officer, and that was that. Jim was let go to go on his merry way.

Now, if the officer beat the living crap out of Jim like Rodney King, then I'd have a problem.

Just one correction BJ;
I never had to walk backwards or anything like that. I was sitting, and he came up next to me and asked if I would stand. He was polite and calm, but obviously ready to grab me if I tried to bolt. No tension, or rudeness.

 

[Adverb]

lol, i didnt want to say it (DWB) hehe,funny thing is , im only HALF the other half is WHITE. where's the love!

Obama?

 

[Robert]

depending on who and where you are and what your wearing jacket or not, when he said put your hands up- and you did not comply but instead......went to put you you PV in your pocket....... things could of went different....here in San Diego is pretty cool but in LA those cops pull the trigger at anything with hands moving towards there chest... going for a gun or a phone it don't matter....


I have alllways done what ever I damn well please...without hurting anyone

I want a big shinny any black 6volt PV and I know this is going to happen to me, when I finnally get one...

I'm sure everything in your interogation went welll, and I'm glad, but I hope you see my point- be carefull

Hey Drew...Allmost Done?

 

[wrecktangle]

I believe it was Terry v. Ohio, a Supreme Court decision that established reasonable and articulable suspicion. Now Terry established the Stop and Frisk, but the "reasonable and articulable" part is what most police act on when stopping an individual. Keep in mind, that unless an officer tells you that you are under arrest, you can reasonably ask if you can leave. Most times it's "What's your name and address, and what are you doing here."

While I see some can interpret that as an unnecessary intrusion into your privacy, it IS one of the tools police use to keep us safe as a society.

Of course Mac alluded to the reasonableness of police. But one person's reasonableness is another person's insanity.

btw, my creds are over 2 decades in a large metropolitan police department and 3 years with the DEA.

I've found that most people are reasonable when you explain to them why they are being stopped before intruding into their privacy. At least it worked for me (mostly).

 

[BigJimW]

Have you ever met a crackhead? I have and let me tell you, you can see them coming a mile away. I would be willing to bet that Jim doesn't fit the description.

I am absolutely not anti-police. I understand that they are necessary and why. I am only saying that they have bit too much authority. Remember that what they can make you do is often based on their personal opinion and not fact. If a cop sees someone breaking the law he is in his rights to detain question and arrest that person. But if a cop sees something odd that he doesn't understand, he shouldn't just be able to make you assume the position. In my opinion that is too much power for a human to wield. I agree that most of them are good people who took the job to help. And yes you only have to meet one bad cop to put a bad taste in your mouth toward law enforcement that lasts a lifetime.

In short I see what you are saying but, disagree.

I have to try and see it from the officers prosprctive. If I were a cop on the beat in a neighborhood infested with drugs, knowing there were busts in the neighborhood that day and that most dealers in the neighborhood would much rather see me trail blood on the sidewalk, all the while seeing a guy with some plastic tube in his mouth that emits smoke, that would definately raise an eyebrow.

In this scenario, I believe that the officer only wanted to talk to Jim about what was happening to clarify it. But given the fact that this officer doesn't know Jim from a hole in the wall, and if it may be a possible drug situation, he made sure that the situation was safe for the confrontation.

While I do not believe that police harassment just on the basis of someone using an e-cig is right, I do believe, given the unique situation Jim has described, the officer acted prudently and took reasonable steps to not only insure both his and Jims safety, but to clarify what Jim was actually doing. Which is why the officer let him go.

Personally, I'd rather walk towards a cop with my hands behind my head to answer a question, than to NOT have a cop around if I'm being murdered.

Puts things in perspective.

 

[Jim Davis]

depending on who and where you are and what your wearing jacket or not, when he said put your hands up- and you did not comply but instead......went to put you you PV in your pocket....... things could of went different....here in San Diego is pretty cool but in LA those cops pull the trigger at anything with hands moving towards there chest... going for a gun or a phone it don't matter....


I have alllways done what ever I damn well please...without hurting anyone

I want a big shinny any black 6volt PV and I know this is going to happen to me, when I finnally get one...

I'm sure everything in your interogation went welll, and I'm glad, but I hope you see my point- be carefull

Hey Drew...Allmost Done?

I don't want to give everyone the wrong idea here. I was holding the PV over my shirt pocket at the time. It was a work shirt, and the pockets stick out a bit. I just let it go, and it fell straight in. No sudden moves. Requests (not commands) were polite and calm.

 

[BigJimW]

YouTube - Chris Rock - How not to get your ... kicked by the police!

 

[brownbrown4]

Obama?

lol, nope, would NEVER BE A LAWYER!!
there's more of us than you know (b&W people that is)

 

[jexmex]

I have to say, I am always worried somebody will think I am smoking a crack pipe, because its a lot like it. Being a new PV user, maybe thats normal, but I dont try to flaunt mine in public because of that reason.

OP,
Glad to see the cop was decent, some of them are very forward and feel no matter what they are right, while others are just good ppl.

 

[jexmex]

YouTube - Chris Rock - How not to get your ... kicked by the police!

That is awsome. Chris rock is great.