TC beyond Ni200: Nickel Purity, Dicodes; Ti, SS, Resistherm NiFe30; Coefficient of Resistance

[Eric Auer]

It seems to be.

Eric

 

[f1vefour]

It is safe on standard devices, it's why I chose SS430 for my vaping needs.

The resistance of 28g is very similar to kanthal, or at least it seems to be. I don't use 28g kanthal.

*edit*
gauge for gauge SS430 is about 65% lower ohm than kanthal.

 

[DeareN]

Can anyone add to the wire wizard the new NiFe48 wire from zivipf.de?

Looks really promising I already ordered to try it but I don't have any TC knowledge.

I only understand the TCR number which is 400 or sth so I guess very close to Ti TCR number

 

[WileE]

I think Zivipf has it named incorrectly. It is 48% iron so it should be called NiFe52 not 48 &it's labeled Nifethal 52 on Wire Wizard.

 

[DeareN]

It's not the same TCR or ohm/m with the one on wire wizard though

 

[Lemwise]

The Dani Extreme V2+ will soon be available. The + version has a spring loaded centre pin which makes it a serious contender. There will also be an upgrade available for the regular V2. It's not clear at this point if it's some kind of software update or a hardware update in which they replace the centre pin for a spring loaded one.

 

[funkyrudi]

I think Zivipf has it named incorrectly. It is 48% iron so it should be called NiFe52 not 48 &it's labeled Nifethal 52 on Wire Wizard.

No, the name is right for chemical formulas
First: main element
Second: sub element
Third: percentage of sub element

Dicodes calls their wire - made by Isabellenhütte - NiFe30 for the same reason. Kanthal calls their NiFe30 wire NiFe70, but this is just a name and not a normed chemical formula.

I don`t care what they call their wires - they have to work. Today some german customers got the NiFe48/52 and they are happy with it. It works on all tested devices very good so far. One guy used it on a 2x18650 Mod and was excited too.
Next week I´ll get my wires

 

[funkyrudi]

It's not the same TCR or ohm/m with the one on wire wizard though

It´s listed NiFe52 (alloy52 ) and the parameters are right

There was some confusion because Kanthal`s handbook from 2012 listed different resitrivities, but they made a new datasheet in 2013 with corrected values.

 

[AlaskaVaper]

Strange. I think was @AlaskaVaper that was having probs with the same atty and coils? Maybe he'll chime in soon.

I have been using the Crown tank with the SS coil head on several mods quite successfully now. My original problem was found to be the coil head not being sufficiently tight on the base and I was attributing that to the Apollo mod at that time. Since curing that issue I am now successfully using the Crown in TC on the Apollo and my Zero mod both of which use the SXK chip with the NP function. I have the NP set at 11 and both are doing fine with the SS coils. Additionally I am using my Zephyr Buddha with a 16 Ga single SS coil 4mm ID, .12 ohm 10 wraps (that I believe is 304 SS but not sure as it is wire I had left from wiring crab pots years ago) on my X-cube II ver 1.06 in TC nickel mode with the TCR at its lowest setting availabe on the Ni setting and temp set at 290F with fairly good results. At least far better than in watts mode. TP functions reasonably well with those settings. I do not as yet have the firmware upgrade for the X-Cube. I have not tried using SS as yet on my Evic VTC so I really can't shed light on how it would do but I would imagine in Ti setting with the correct temp offset that SS would be ok there as well. I might have tried it awhile back but can't recall if I did. I am currently running my Evics with Ti and am very happy with the vape experienced with TI. Sorry for the rambling, I hope it is somewhat useful. I am not a scientist nor an engineer and I do not play one on TV-lol

 

[cigatron]

I have been using the Crown tank with the SS coil head on several mods quite successfully now. My original problem was found to be the coil head not being sufficiently tight on the base and I was attributing that to the Apollo mod at that time. Since curing that issue I am now successfully using the Crown in TC on the Apollo and my Zero mod both of which use the SXK chip with the NP function. I have the NP set at 11 and both are doing fine with the SS coils. Additionally I am using my Zephyr Buddha with a 16 Ga single SS coil 4mm ID, .12 ohm 10 wraps (that I believe is 304 SS but not sure as it is wire I had left from wiring crab pots years ago) on my X-cube II ver 1.06 in TC nickel mode with the TCR at its lowest setting availabe on the Ni setting and temp set at 290F with fairly good results. At least far better than in watts mode. TP functions reasonably well with those settings. I do not as yet have the firmware upgrade for the X-Cube. I have not tried using SS as yet on my Evic VTC so I really can't shed light on how it would do but I would imagine in Ti setting with the correct temp offset that SS would be ok there as well. I might have tried it awhile back but can't recall if I did. I am currently running my Evics with Ti and am very happy with the vape experienced with TI. Sorry for the rambling, I hope it is somewhat useful. I am not a scientist nor an engineer and I do not play one on TV-lol

Thanks for the info @AlaskaVaper . Now that things are all cleared up for you with the Crown ss/Apollo combo I have a question for ya. Are you running higher than needed wattage so that the Apollo stays in tp while vaping or a lesser wattage so that tp is only engaged when the wick runs dry (empty tank)? Reason I ask is because others have noticed a pulsey vape using ss as the Apollo goes in and out of tp.

 

[AlaskaVaper]

Thanks for the info @AlaskaVaper . Now that things are all cleared up for you with the Crown ss/Apollo combo I have a question for ya. Are you running higher than needed wattage so that the Apollo stays in tp while vaping or a lesser wattage so that tp is only engaged when the wick runs dry (empty tank)? Reason I ask is because others have noticed a pulsey vape using ss as the Apollo goes in and out of tp.

have been keeping the watts at 55 and the vape is very steady until battery voltage begin to decline after some varying time of use. As voltage declines the actual watts that are available to reach the set temp dynamically declines during a vape as TP engages, yet the watt setting remains at original setting when fire button is released. As the battery continues to release its charge the vape weakens as TP becomes more frequent until battery voltage finally reaches the cutoff point. The vape gets wispy but there never is a very distracting or very abrupt cut off as vapor declines. The vape is quite smooth all the way down without abrupt pulsing is the best way I can describe it. Therefore (and I may be totally incorrect on this) It seems to be that when TP is activating as voltage available to reach the temp set originally is not sufficient TP is activating at the highest temp that can be reached given the remaining battery strength. I hope this is not too confusing to you because it is a bit confusing to me. Clear exposition has never been my strong suit!

 

[f1vefour]

Ah my battery is almost dead, I will change it out and try the Reliant again to see if it helps with the pulsing.

 

[AlaskaVaper]

have been keeping the watts at 55 and the vape is very steady until battery voltage begin to decline after some varying time of use. As voltage declines the actual watts that are available to reach the set temp dynamically declines during a vape as TP engages, yet the watt setting remains at original setting when fire button is released. As the battery continues to release its charge the vape weakens as TP becomes more frequent until battery voltage finally reaches the cutoff point. The vape gets wispy but there never is a very distracting or very abrupt cut off as vapor declines. The vape is quite smooth all the way down without abrupt pulsing is the best way I can describe it. Therefore (and I may be totally incorrect on this) It seems to be that when TP is activating as voltage available to reach the temp set originally is not sufficient TP is activating at the highest temp that can be reached given the remaining battery strength. I hope this is not too confusing to you because it is a bit confusing to me. Clear exposition has never been my strong suit!

I must correct my statement above where I said "yet the watt setting remains at original setting when fire button is released" - that is not correct. The watts shown on the screen when not firing gradually declines on the screen as battery voltage declines. Sorry for the mis-statement. I got confused with my Zero mod.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

The Dani Extreme V2+ will soon be available. The + version has a spring loaded centre pin which makes it a serious contender. There will also be an upgrade available for the regular V2. It's not clear at this point if it's some kind of software update or a hardware update in which they replace the centre pin for a spring loaded one.

I'll be getting me one of those for sure!

 

[dwcraig1]

I'll be getting me one of those for sure!

It would be nice if they offered an upgrade (that one) for my Taifun "the Eye"

 

[TheotherSteveS]

It would be nice if they offered an upgrade (that one) for my Taifun "the Eye"

Agreed. Be nice if SS made a TC-friendly version., I love those mods!!

 

[jmarkus]

ralph from unkamen just hit me back with the ss430 composition. seems we've got ss430 and not the f variant.

 

[f1vefour]

ralph from unkamen just hit me back with the ss430 composition. seems we've got ss430 and not the f variant.

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I see it does have a minute amount of nickel, %0.52 is pushing the envelope for what can be called 430 stainless steel. Supposed to be a maximum of 0.5%.

I mean it's super low nickel content, but it's not 0 nickel as claimed. I can live with that, Ralph should rethink the listing though.

Thanks for posting material sheet @jmarkus

 

[ThunderDan]

Just got my SS430 in from unkamen. Should I try contact, or spaced coils?

 

[pevinsghost]

With the 317L, both worked fine, but contact was easier to wick without deforming.

Just watch out for the springiness, expect the coils to come out at least 0.2mm larger than whatever you wrap on.

Whichever is more comfortable for you.

I got my order in over the weekend, and I'm a 2 hour drive from them, so I hope to see some 430 this week as well.