TC beyond Ni200: Nickel Purity, Dicodes; Ti, SS, Resistherm NiFe30; Coefficient of Resistance

[funkyrudi]

1: it may not be the 'best' way to do it, depending on the definition of best, but if you don't have to worry about knowing the actually temperature, it's going to be the cheapest.
We the user do not need to know the actual temperature, we just need it to remain there once we like it.

2: I'm puzzled by the comment about resistance changing as the juice level changes. I have no idea where that is coming from.

3: Yes, simpler to implement is what I'm focusing on.
Your statement about kanthal increasing resistance by 0.01 up to 972 degreeF is incomplete.
Perhaps you are referring to a 1 ohm length of kanthal?
I've been looking for kanthal temperature coefficient of resistance, but so far haven't found it.

Temperature control is still new. All I'm saying is when cars were new, a rolls Royce would have been nice, but people bought their fords, and voltswagens

Temp. coefficient Kanthal A1


C250 - F480 ------ 1,01
C500 - F930 ------1,03
C800 - F1470 ----1,04
C1000- F1830 ---1,04

Kanthal Datenblatt
I guess, they have a problem with columns in this document.

Interesting, on page 2 is a K70 called wire which is a Ni70Fe30 pure wire.

 

[TheBloke]

I really need to get a second Infinite chip. I'm just not sure which. I already have two Flasks (only one with Infinite), the Zero looks nice but it's not spring loaded, and the VS has the screen on the bottom which I will hate (and is useless for any TC testing.)

I could just get another Flask I suppose.. I do like dual battery.

But I will wait at least a week to see what else might come out

 

[TheBloke]

Temp. coefficient Kanthal A1


C250 - F480 ------ 1,01
C500 - F930 ------1,03
C800 - F1470 ----1,04
C1000- F1830 ---1,04

Kanthal Datenblatt
I guess, they have a problem with columns in this document.

Interesting, on page 2 is a K70 called wire which is a Ni70Fe30 pure wire.

That's not a coefficient exactly. It's relative to one ohm. And actually those are rather different figures to the ones I saw on the English Kanthal A1 datasheet:

• 100°C / 212°F = 1.00
• 200°C / 392°F = 1.00
• 300°C / 572°F = 1.00
• 400°C / 752°F = 1.00
• 500°C / 932°F = 1.01
• 600°C / 1112°F = 1.02
• 700°C / 1292°F = 1.02
• 800°C / 1472°F = 1.03

So a one ohm coil will increase in resistance by 0.01 by the time it reaches 500°C / 932°C, then the increase is slightly faster after that.

Completely useless for any resistance-based TC I would assume -- but then there is yet another mod recently announced, this time by innokin, that also claims it does it on "any wire". The way it is described sounds very similar to the iJoy so probablt they are using the same chip.

It's really quite a mystery as to what they could be doing.

Re Ni70Fe30, yeah that sounds almost identical to Resistherm? Which is Ni 69 Fe 30 Al 0.6 Cr 0.3 Mn 0.5. Actually is that also known as Nifethal? If so then yes that was mentioned earlier. Question would be could we get any to try - if it's only used in industry then they won't be selling small quantities, only in kilos/tons most likely.

 

[funkyrudi]

UK regulation will likely be the general European regulation that is being mooted - nicotine tax, devices have to be 'leak proof' and all that nonsense.

What's wrong with FT and German customs? They are stopping all packages? Maybe they figured out that "Gift - $20" was a little bit incorrect. Or in fact, a huge lie I really hope that doesn't happen with UK customs.

Yeah I thought the same about the Dicodes chip. If they made a box mod I would have to buy it, cost be damned. But they have always made tubes and I guess they think they're good. Really sucks. I guess I will contact them to ask, can't hurt to tell them there are people out there wanting a different form factor.

It would be a shame if they wouldn´t offer this brain in a box mod. Okay, they had to redesign the board and new display..... Seems to be the most inovativ board so far. And for 200€ it`s not expansive.

20$ Gift is what made FT famous. The customs always had focused eyes for FT letters - the reason why FT offers letters with no FT logo - but now many offices seem to have been espressly instructed to look for vape gear and FT. Many shipments were sent back, or destroyed. Many buyers had to visit the customs. The arguments: no german manual, missing CE ( even on attys ), product piracy, product safety .....
FC and GB shipments have less problems and special shipping options. But it depends on the office and region

Btw: I have my VF Mini since 10 days and love it. It seems to work better than the Waidea and Hcigar HB40. My FeV V3 has never been so jummy ( taste, not vape amount )- before this, the FeV was a allday workhorse and not bad. I tried several temperatures on the other mods, but the taste was never as good as using the VF Mini - very strange. I have to make some measurements and compare the traces.

I hope all the best for the UK vapors.

 

[funkyrudi]

That's not a coefficient exactly. It's relative to one ohm. And actually those are rather different figures to the ones I saw on the English Kanthal A1 datasheet:

• 100°C / 212°F = 1.00
• 200°C / 392°F = 1.00
• 300°C / 572°F = 1.00
• 400°C / 752°F = 1.00
• 500°C / 932°F = 1.01
• 600°C / 1112°F = 1.02
• 700°C / 1292°F = 1.02
• 800°C / 1472°F = 1.03

So a one ohm coil will increase in resistance by 0.01 by the time it reaches 500°C / 932°C, then the increase is slightly faster after that.

Completely useless for any resistance-based TC I would assume -- but then there is yet another mod recently announced, this time by Innokin, that also claims it does it on "any wire". The way it is described sounds very similar to the iJoy so probablt they are using the same chip.

It's really quite a mystery as to what they could be doing.

Re Ni70Fe30, yeah that sounds almost identical to Resistherm? Which is Ni 69 Fe 30 Al 0.6 Cr 0.3 Mn 0.5. Actually is that also known as Nifethal? If so then yes that was mentioned earlier. Question would be could we get any to try - if it's only used in industry then they won't be selling small quantities, only in kilos/tons most likely.

Yes, the Ni70Fe30 ( my name design ) belongs to the Nifethal family. Nickel-iron (NiFe) wire — Kanthal
The k52 sounds good too. I guess Zivipf.de will get some new wires soon.

ohms - coefficient - factor , I don`t care, just use it Kanthal`s temp coef is not interesting - even in Clapton coils we can forget it.

We`ll see what Innokin offers and how it works. There will me new ideas every day - I don`t want to know whats common in 2 years, when we have to find ways to .........

There are several parameters that could be implemented - do we need them?

 

[KenD]

but then there is yet another mod recently announced, this time by Innokin, that also claims it does it on "any wire". The way it is described sounds very similar to the iJoy so probablt they are using the same chip.

It's unlikely that they'll use the same chip. Innokin is known for developing their own, with the exception of the chip in the SVD 2 which is made by Evolv, and exclusive to Innokin.

 

[TheBloke]

Talking of new wires, one thing that intrigued me in Dicodes' manual was that they listed a TCR for Tungsten, and it was high - between Titanium and Nickel, around 420 I think. So I wonder if that is a usable wire as well?

 

[TheBloke]

It's unlikely that they'll use the same chip. Innokin is known for developing their own, with the exception of the chip in the SVD 2 which is made by Evolv, and exclusive to Innokin.

Yeah you're right, now I've looked at it in more detail it does seem different. The claims are somewhat similar but not the same.

I think the Innokin is promising 'normal' TC (temperature setting) just with Kanthal as well, where iJoy is offering some new style where you vape first then 'lock in' your 'best taste'. And claiming it works on all wires.

Best thoughts currently on the Innokin thread is that their method requires special attys which include temp sensing right next to the coil. So not a general solution.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

a bit OT but I am so tempted to go for the dicodes dani extreme v2...someone talk me out of it... helpp!!

 

[TheBloke]

a bit OT but I am so tempted to go for the dicodes dani extreme v2...someone talk me out of it... helpp!!

Can I come round and play with it when you get it?

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Can I come round and play with it when you get it?

You, my friend, would be more than welcome!

...although i might worry you might want to strap on some unobtainium/dilithium/adamantium alloy wire you discovered and try to calibrate it etc... lol

 

[TheBloke]

You, my friend, would be more than welcome!

...although i might worry you might want to strap on some unobtainium/dilithium/adamantium alloy wire you discovered and try to calibrate it etc... lol

Plutonium-239, internal heating effect helps reduce power requirements and improve battery life. Pleasant taste. Slight monsterism.

(In Soviet Russia, coil heats you!)

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Talking of new wires, one thing that intrigued me in Dicodes' manual was that they listed a TCR for Tungsten, and it was high - between Titanium and Nickel, around 420 I think. So I wonder if that is a usable wire as well?

yeah i was wondering about tungsten. Havent been able to find any damning study about W toxicity...might be worth a punt. shouldnt be hard to get hold of (just crack open a light bulb lol). Dry pulsing should provide for some nice room lighting as a side effect!

 

[TheotherSteveS]

......too late. Just pulled the trigger on the dicodes dani extreme v2 from germany....This vaping lark is very expensive... I see divorce in my future...still, who needs to eat right?!?!

paypal exchange rates are daylight robbery...still cheaper than buying it from Uk...oh well!

 

[druckle]

Talking of new wires, one thing that intrigued me in Dicodes' manual was that they listed a TCR for Tungsten, and it was high - between Titanium and Nickel, around 420 I think. So I wonder if that is a usable wire as well?

Tungsten wire would be a really strange one. It has no protective oxide, is extremely susceptible to oxidation .... It's not one I would immediately think of. Same goes for Niobium. I thought of that but discarded it for the same reasons.

 

[TheBloke]

****..too late. Just pulled the trigger on the dicodes dani extreme v2 from germany....This vaping lark is very expensive... I see divorce in my future...still, who needs to eat right?!?!

paypal exchange rates are daylight robbery...still cheaper than buying it from Uk...oh well!

Good man! Link? I only looked briefly and saw it on the dread UKe EBlag Store, ditto the 2380.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Good man! Link? I only looked briefly and saw it on the dread UKe EBlag Store, ditto the 2380.

Dicodes Dani Extreme V2 " L " | Dicodes Dani Extreme V2 | Dicodes | Akkuträger | Greek-Mods

I threw in a 25R because they have them for <£6 but the mod came out about £15 cheaper than ecig store so not so bad. Should get it next week some time! I'll post when ity turns up and show some pics etc!

 

[ndb70]

Felt like doing a water test on my dani extreme v2 with the samplenof dicodes wire that they give you with the mod (TCR 320).
I just threw 6 spaced wraps on ID 3mm on my squape, coming out at about 0.40, programmed the TCR, watered the wick and fired...
Damn, this thingbis absolutely on the spot! Every time I get a temperature btw 95 and 102 Celsius!
Don't have time to try and vape it right now, will try later in the afternoon and report back.

 

[soulseek]

Felt like doing a water test on my dani extreme v2 with the samplenof dicodes wire that they give you with the mod (TCR 320).
I just threw 6 spaced wraps on ID 3mm on my squape, coming out at about 0.40, programmed the TCR, watered the wick and fired...
Damn, this thingbis absolutely on the spot! Every time I get a temperature btw 95 and 102 Celsius!
Don't have time to try and vape it right now, will try later in the afternoon and report back.
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I'm quite happy with my Dani V2 as well although I feel the temperature is not 100% accurate all the time. I got a laser thermometer to try and check it out. Quite happy with it although it's quite heavy; they could have made the tube walls thinner by machining out some SS from the inside but this is just details.

Also I'd like to point out that they had the Ti coefficient wrong to begin with in their manual until I emailed them about it

 

[ndb70]

I'm quite happy with my Dani V2 as well although I feel the temperature is not 100% accurate all the time. I got a laser thermometer to try and check it out. Quite happy with it although it's quite heavy; they could have made the tube walls thinner by machining out some SS from the inside but this is just details.

Also I'd like to point out that they had the Ti coefficient wrong to begin with in their manual until I emailed them about it

As a dani v2 owner, can I ask you one thing?

As I posted a few messages back, I got the impression that the chip doesn't have on-board temperature sensor so that it assumes resistance calibration is done at 20 °C, and if that's not the case you have to compensate for the delta from 20 °C in the max temp you set for vaping.
Do you have the same understanding from reading the manuals and/or you have any further insight about that?
That's really the only thing (apart from the tube-ness thing) that bugs me and really makes little sense given the apparent high level technology they've used.
I tried to ask dicodes directly, but got no answer after 3 days, so I'm losing hope in an official statement...

Oh, and what's then the correct TCR to use for Titanium? I have the manual stating 320, is that already after your suggestion?