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If its an sxk zero ... its a fixed 510 pin and it sits too low for some atties

I get their flasks and sharks with floating 510 and they work really well especially for the price

Fore see the fixed 510 issue so gave them a miss
That's exactly what it was , I adjusted the pin and it works flawlessly now . I didn't realize the tank I was using had such a short 510 . Thanks
 

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I prefer Coil Genius because of its "visual" user interface. For me, this is much more intuitive and a joy to use. Regarding the topic of this thread, the ability to add your own wires is a big plus. SS, NiFe, Tungsten, whatever you like... Saving builds in MC Pro seems to be useful at first, but it's not needed if making a new build is a matter of seconds without torturing my brain by scanning all the buttons for each and every input parameter. Last but not least, Coil Genius is half the prize.

I'm finding my MicroCoil Pro app matching Steam Engine, while Coil Genius is off at least on this build, see for yourself.

BASE SETTINGS:

Titanium G1 26 gauge
3mm coil
6 wraps
5mm leads

MicroCoil Pro RESULTS:
0.28 ohms
Wire length = 77.2mm
Coil width = 2.43mm
Heat flux = 0.31


Coil Genius RESULTS:
.32 ohms
Wire length = 84.9mm
Coil width = 4.3mm
Heat flux = 0.28

Ohms and coil width being the most out of sync. MicroCoil Pro matches closer to Steam Engine site, for whatever that's worth.
 

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I'm finding my MicroCoil Pro app matching Steam Engine, while Coil Genius is off at least on this build, see for yourself.

BASE SETTINGS:

Titanium G1 26 gauge
3mm coil
6 wraps
5mm leads

MicroCoil Pro RESULTS:
0.28 ohms
Wire length = 77.2mm
Coil width = 2.43mm
Heat flux = 0.31


Coil Genius RESULTS:
.32 ohms
Wire length = 84.9mm
Coil width = 4.3mm
Heat flux = 0.28

Ohms and coil width being the most out of sync. MicroCoil Pro matches closer to Steam Engine site, for whatever that's worth.

There are several things wrong with your comparison. Let's do it right...

1. Each of the three calculators take a different input for lead/leg length:
- Steam engine takes the total leg length (of both ends), measured from the center of the coil to the screws.
- MC Pro takes a single leg length (one end), measured from the center of the coil to the screws.
- Coil Genius takes a a single leg length (one end), measured from the edge of the coil to the screws.

Therefore, 5mm total leg length in Steam Engine correspond to
- 2.5mm in MC Pro (5mm/2)
- 1.0mm in Coil Genius (5mm/2 - 1.5mm)

2. We want each candidate to do its calculation based on the same data. Now, Coil Genius uses a slightly different resistivity for grade 1 titanium: 0.49Ωmm²/m instead of 0.47Ωmm²/m, which is used by Steam Engine and MC Pro. As there are different kinds of grade 1, both values are reasonable. So, I defined a new wire with resistivity 0.47Ωmm²/m in Coil Genius for this comparison.

Results: Here is the Steam Engine build (26g, 6 wraps around 3mm, 5mm total leg length):
Screen Shot 2015-10-18 at 23.48.47.png


Now, here are the results of the apps with equivalent inputs:

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IMG_3477.PNG


As you can see, the results from Coil Genius are exactly the same as those from Steam Engine. On the other hand, MC Pro calculates a different wire length for the coil, which leads to different resistance, and so on. In this example, the length (and therefore the resistance) is about 6% less than what Steam Engine and Coil Genius report.

The different results produced by MC Pro are not a matter of different data (e.g. specific resistivity for a particular wire) used by the app. Rather, they come from different calculations of the wire length. In other words, MC Pro uses less wire to make 6 wraps than Steam Engine and Coil Genius do! The difference even grows with thicker wire: with 24g around 3mm it is almost 10%.

Edit: MC Pro also gets the coil width wrong.
 
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I have NiFe52 from AWG 30 to 26. AWG 27 with 3.8 Ohm/m is the one I use most.

On the kanger I would go for a AWG 27 or 28 to get some more Ohms in case of getting sometimes static restistance


Total static res on all three of my Evic/STmini combos is .01-.015 when compared to SE Ti build calculations for my Ti builds.

Interesting though is the consistent increase in res by .01 ohms after a couple of low wattage dryburns and then another .01 after a dozen or so dryburns. From that point onward the res no longer increases, or hasn't so far after 22 (7watt) dryburns.

The STminis continue to be solid performers for tc.
 
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There are several things wrong with your comparison. Let's do it right...

1. Each of the three calculators take a different input for lead/leg length:
- Steam engine takes the total leg length (of both ends), measured from the center of the coil to the screws.
- MC Pro takes a single leg length (one end), measured from the center of the coil to the screws.
- Coil Genius takes a a single leg length (one end), measured from the edge of the coil to the screws.

Therefore, 5mm total leg length in Steam Engine correspond to
- 2.5mm in MC Pro (5mm/2)
- 1.0mm in Coil Genius (5mm/2 - 1.5mm)

2. We want each candidate to do its calculation based on the same data. Now, Coil Genius uses a slightly different resistivity for grade 1 titanium: 0.49Ωmm²/m instead of 0.47Ωmm²/m, which is used by Steam Engine and MC Pro. As there are different kinds of grade 1, both values are reasonable. So, I defined a new wire with resistivity 0.47Ωmm²/m in Coil Genius for this comparison.

Results: Here is the Steam Engine build (26g, 6 wraps around 3mm, 5mm total leg length):
View attachment 499608

Now, here are the results of the apps with equivalent inputs:

View attachment 499599 View attachment 499602

As you can see, the results from Coil Genius are exactly the same as those from Steam Engine. On the other hand, MC Pro calculates a different wire length for the coil, which leads to different resistance, and so on. In this example, the length (and therefore the resistance) is about 6% less than what Steam Engine and Coil Genius report.

The different results produced by MC Pro are not a matter of different data (e.g. specific resistivity for a particular wire) used by the app. Rather, they come from different calculations of the wire length. In other words, MC Pro uses less wire to make 6 wraps than Steam Engine and Coil Genius do! The difference even grows with thicker wire: with 24g around 3mm it is almost 10%.

Edit: MC Pro also gets the coil width wrong.

Nice work, lots for me to digest. Will play some more. Thanks for the more in depth info and numbers! I knew leg lengths had something to do with the discrepancys. Unlike you I could not find out for sure how these 3 apps measure the legs. Seems there should be a standard way, and of course mentioned and posted, not glossed over. Appreciate your interest and help!
 

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Nice work, lots for me to digest. Will play some more. Thanks for the more in depth info and numbers! I knew leg lengths had something to do with the discrepancys. Unlike you I could not find out for sure how these 3 apps measure the legs. Seems there should be a standard way, and of course mentioned and posted, not glossed over. Appreciate your interest and help!

I totally agree with you that the different leg lengths are a little unfortunate. In Coil Genius, it is shown in the app's coil graphic and stated in the documentation (app intro): "outside jig only". That way, the legs are independent from the coil diameter. For example, in steam engine, a total leg length (measured from the middle of the coil) that is shorter than the coil diameter is possible but just doesn't make sense, because that meant the screws to be "inside" the coil.

For the discrepancies, it all seems to boil down to the simple question: "How much wire with diameter d does it take to bend a circle with inner diameter D?" From my personal experience I'd say that the road taken by Steam Engine & Coil Genius gives me very good results.
 

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So the question is "how much wood does a Woodchuck chuck" ? Must be about time to chuck some clouds.

I've been chucking wood, firewood, early every morning before work and I'm sick of it.:mad:. I would hire it done but it keeps me in shape.:thumb:

I'm looking forward to getting a whiteout dna200 whenever they release it. If it takes much longer I may get an hcigar vt200.
 
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