now on the other hand.. it is was an emp attack.. we'd all be sitting looking for other options. 
I was surprised to see this thread still open this morning.
*sigh*
I fear it won't be for very long.
I would have liked to see concrete evidence of what Hotwire was speaking of myself. I do realize that there are two sides to everything and am always curious about those two sides. As Hotwire stated that he is too busy to post those links, I too am too busy to look for them. More so because I have no idea where to begin.
A Snapshot of Caffeine's Fascinating Effects On The Brain - Forbes
“There is substantial evidence that caffeine is protective against neurodegenerative diseases like Parkinson’s or Alzheimer’s disease,” said author David Elmenhorst. “Several investigations show that moderate coffee consumption of 3 to 5 cups per day at mid-life is linked to a reduced risk of dementia in late life.” And this study is exciting in that it may point to an actual mechanism for the connection in humans – although there are certainly likely to be multiple mechanisms involved.
Thanks for posting that!
I had heard that there were studies showing very low addictive potential in using the patch for other medical reasons.
But every time I try to look for those studies I can't find them.
hmm brown sugar, or just a lil em??
thing is.. what would happen if.. say a power outage, lasting more than a week, or worse.. has anyone looked at this from that angle??
now on the other hand.. it is was an emp attack.. we'd all be sitting looking for other options.![]()
Was this supposed to be a convincing argument? I'm surprised that you bothered to italicize that you can't be bothered.
Here's a slightly more convincing argument to rebut your scaremongering. You see, the American Academy of Neurology seems to think that nicotine may actually be a good thing:
Neurology Today said:Nicotine obviously carries a lot of baggage, he told Neurology Today, but this paper is based on work we started doing in the late 1980s on the beneficial effects of nicotine in Alzheimer disease. There are now clinical trials of nicotine in Parkinson disease. What we're trying to discover is the range of benefits.
Full article here: January 19, 2012 - Volume 12 - Issue 2 : Neurology Today
Nicotine has the advantage that it is kind of a dirty drug, it covers all types of nicotine receptors, he said. The selective agents that the pharmaceutical industry is studying may miss some subtypes that are important. That's the puzzle: we haven't yet figured out which subtypes matter most.
Yes, which makes me wonder how effective patches are as NRT for smoking cessation. Personally, I don't know anyone who has given up smoking using patches.
I don't think there's been a study done on how addictive the patches are on their own. Perhaps it's only as in the study mentioned, it was noted that there are no addiction problems with using patches as a nicotine delivery system.
Well if it was an emp attack.. I hope someone has the sense enough to stash spares in metal boxes.. otherwise.. there will be none.
U.S. ill-prepared for EMP attack
I'm good. My house is wrapped in aluminum foil and if I'm out and about I can always put my ecig under my hat.![]()
The "he" would be, Paul Newhouse, MD, professor of psychiatry, pharmacology and medicine, and director of the Center for Cognitive Medicine at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine in Nashville.
Hmmm, what baggage would that be and who put the baggage there?
This part is funny in the context of what has been said here,
But it's all just conspiracy theory. I'm sure the scientist meant to say nicotine has no baggage that hinders finding beneficial uses for it and it's the fact of it's shotgun approach that's the real issue.
now on the other hand.. it is was an emp attack.. we'd all be sitting looking for other options.![]()
Certainly not tin foil. But of course, as Robin can tell you, I never, ever wear hats. Not with a mane like mine.
Yeah, adds a whole new level of meaning to the term "hat hair".
Hmm, it's actually possible that this is the article that hotwire was referring to, but he misunderstood the context?
I guess we'll never know...
I quit for 6 months at one time using the patch. I know that doesn't change the "personally" aspect since you don't know me but they can work for some people. As far as the other part...Yes, which makes me wonder how effective patches are as NRT for smoking cessation. Personally, I don't know anyone who has given up smoking using patches.
I don't think there's been a study done on how addictive the patches are on their own. Perhaps it's only as in the study mentioned, it was noted that there are no addiction problems with using patches as a nicotine delivery system.
I did give up smoking wearing patches BUT I was taking Wellbutrin along with the patches. PLUS there wasn't a day that went by where I didn't think of a cig. I used those for 6 months and nothing for the last three. The first time I spent a few days around smokers, I was bumming cigs. It didn't take long before I was back to a pack a day (less than a week).