The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Hi all! So I finally got the following in today:

1.5L VT 100mg nic
1L VG
1L PG
15 different TFA flavors.
30min UC

I've never ever done DIY before, and today's gonna be my first couple of attempts.

I'm thinking it makes sense to start off with a few single flavor juices in 10mls, such as

1) green apple
2) grape
3) double ry4

I know different brands of flavorings do better at different percentages, and I was wondering if 10% seems about right for the above 3?


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You gotta just wade on in. Just keep the mixes in the smaller quantity category, say 3 - 5 ml's to start. I often test with 20 drop mixes. Good is good. Something other than good is NOT GOOD. As mentioned, start low and increase the percentage. I use a sheet like this to find the sweet spot:

View attachment Flavoring Chart.pdf

There are many variations to this chart, but I made it for how I mix and it works for me. Good luck!

 

[TheKiwi]

Well. It's alive. My first three DIY!

A simple DRY4
A simple grape
And a strawberry cheesecake with cheesecake, bav cream, vanilla and ripe strawberry

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[artv61]

And I bet you cant wait to vape them. the good thing is if you dont like them you can fix em.

 

[TheKiwi]

And I bet you cant wait to vape them. the good thing is if you dont like them you can fix em.

Ah yes. I've had them in 2x 30mins UC, and I'm gonna wait a day to try em.

I'm a tad worried about my strawberry cheesecake tho. My total flavoring % is 23%, which apparently is very high. Shakes head.


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[artv61]

you can always cut it with pg/vg to bring the flavor down but keep in mind the nic will go down too

 

[BigLungs]

555 10-20% 2/5
Absinthe Flavor Concentrate 5-10%
Almond Amaretto Flavor Concentrate 5-10% 5/5
American Red Tobacco Flavor Concentrate 3-10%
Apple Candy 15%
Apple Flavor 10-15%, 4.5/5
Banana Cream Flavor 5-15%
Banana Nut Bread Flavor 5-7%
Bavarian Cream Flavor 5-15%
Bittersweet Chocolate (Extra) Flavor 10-15% 4/5
Black Cherry Flavor 5-15% 5/5
Black Honey Tobacco 3-5%
Black Sesame Seed Flavor .1 %
Black Tea Flavor 2.5-12% 3/5
Blackberry Flavor 2-15%
Blueberry 15%
Blueberry Candy 13%
Blueberry (Wild) Flavor 15%
Blueberry Flavor (Extra) 10-13% 6/5
Boysenberry Flavor 5/5 ~1%
Brown Sugar 15-20% 4/5
Brown Sugar Extra 2%-10%
Bubblegum Flavor 10-15%
Butterscotch Flavor 12%
Cantaloupe 10-12%
Caramel Candy Flavor 15-20% 5/5
Caramel Cappuccino Flavor- No more than 2 drop in 10ml base
Caramel Flavor 10-15% 5/5
Chai Tea Flavor 10% 5/5
Champagne Type Flavor (PG) 5-7%
Cheesecake Flavor 5-15%, 2/5
Cherry Blossom (PG) 5%-15%
Chocolate Flavor 10%-15% 5/5
Citrus Punch Flavor 5-7%
Chocolate Mint (Not Listed ) 10% (more chocolate than mint)
Cinnamon Danish 10-12% 4/5 (needs to steep)
Cinnamon Flavor(alc) .25-.5%
Cinnamon Red Hots Flavor 5-10% 5/5
Cinnamon Spice Flavor .5% to start
Cinnamon Sugar Cookie 5%-15%
Clove Flavor 2-3%
Coconut Candy: 5-10% 5/5
Coconut Extra Flavor 2%-10% 5/5
Coffee (Clear) 0.25-5%
Coffee (Kona) Flavor 1drop/10ml 4/5
Cola Flavor 5-10% 5/5
Cotton Candy Flavor 10-20% 5/5
Crème de Menthe 5-14%
DK Tobacco Base Flavor 2%-5%
Double Chocolate (Clear) Flavor 10-12% 4/5
Dragonfruit Flavor 5-12%
Dulce de Leche Flavor 10% - overpowering at 20%
Earl Grey Tea 2-3%
Eggnog 10-20%
Energy Drink Flavor 10%
English Toffee Flavor 5-17%
Espresso 3% or less
Flue Cured Flavor 2%
French Vanilla Flavor 5%-10%
Gingerbread Cookie 8-10%
Graham Cracker Flavor 10-15% 5/5 recommended for combining
Grape Jolly Rancher 8% - 10%
Grape Juice Flavor 8%-12%
Green Apple Flavor 12-20%
Green Tea Flavor 5%-15%
Gummy Candy Flavor 7%
Hawaiian Punch Flavor 12%
Hazelnut Flavor 16% 5/5
Hazelnut Praline Flavor 5% 2/5
Hibiscus Flavor 1-2%
Holiday Spice Flavor 0.5-3% (start at 0.5%)
Honey Flavor 1-5%
Honeydew Melon Flavor 5-10%
Honeysuckle Flavor 10- 15% tank cracker
Horchata Flavor 5%, 5/5
Hpno Type Flavor (alc) 5-10%
Irish Cream Flavor 10 - 12%
Juicy Fruit 10-13%
Kalua & Cream 5%+
Key Lime Flavor 3%-10%
Key Lime Flavor Concentrate 12%
Key Lime Pie 12%
Koolada 10% (PG) .5-1%
Lemon Lime Flavor 5% 4/5
Licorice(not listed) 3%- 10% 5/5 long steep time (weeks)
Lime Flavor (Essential Oil) 1-5% 4/5
Lychee Flavor 2-7%
M Type Premium Flavor 0.5%-1%
Malted Milk Extra (Conc) 5% (best mixed with others)
Mango Flavor 10-15%
Maple Syrup Flavor 10-15
Maraschino Cherry (PG) 5% 4/5
Menthol Arctic: 2 drops/ml 5/5
Menthol Liquid (PG) 2-5%
Mild Black <2.5% (VERY strong)
Milk Chocolate Flavor 4%-20% 4/5
Mint Candy 12% 4/5
Mint Chocolate Chip 10%
Mocha 5%
Mt. Dew 10-20%
Musk Candy Flavor <3%
Nectarine Flavor 11%
Orange Cream Flavor 5-10% 5/5
Papaya Flavor 10% 5/5
Passion Fruit Flavor <20%
Peach Flavor 12-15%
Peach (Juicy) Flavor 5%- 17%
Peanut Butter Flavor 10-15% 5/5
Pear Flavor 10-15% 4.5/5
Peppermint Flavor 5%-15%
Pie Crust Flavor .5-12%
Pina Coloda 15%
Pineapple Flavor 15% 4.5/5 (authentic flavor w/5% EM)
Pizza Flavor ~5% 5/5
Plum Flavor 5-10% 4/5
Pomegranate Flavor 7.5%-14%
Popcorn Flavor 13%-15%
Pumpkin 7%
Quince Flavor 10%
Raisin Flavor 0.5%-3% (Powerful)
Raspberry Flavor 5-10%
Red Bull: 10%
Red Type Blend 5-15%
Red Oak 3% sweet and smokey
Ripe Banana Flavor 8-20%
Rose Candy Flavor 7%
RY4 Asian Flavor 10-15%
RY4 Double Flavor 5%-15%
Smooth Flavor 2 drops per 5 ml
Spearmint Flavor <5% Very Strong
Strawberries and Cream Flavor 10-12%
Strawberry Flavor 3%-15%
Strawberry Kiwi 20% 1/5
Strawberry Ripe 15%
Sweet Cream Flavor 5-10% 4/5 recommended for combining fake butter taste
Sweet Tart: 10% 5/5 Tastes more like Smarties
Sweetener 2%-6%
Tangerine Flavor (oil based) 1-5% 5/5
Tiramisu Flavor 2-5% VERY strong
Toasted Almond Flavor 15%
Toasted Marshmallow Flavor 10-15%
Tobacco Absolute (1. Pure) <1%
Tobacco Blend (Alc) 0.5-2.5%
Tobacco Flavor 10-20%
Tutti Frutti flavor 10-15% 4.5/5
Vanilla (Bourbon) Flavor(alc) 10-15% 4.5/5
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream Flavor 4-8% 4/5 (excellent mixer) *** this containsAcetyl Propionyl, which carries potential inhalation risks.
Vanilla Cupcake 20%
Vanilla Swirl 10%
Violet Candy Flavor 10% - 12%
Waffle (Belgian) Flavor 8-12%
Waffle Flavor 20% 5/5
Watermelon Flavor 15% 4/5
Whipped Cream Flavor 14% 3/5
White Chocolate Flavor 10%
Wintergreen: 20% 5/5
PA Sucralose Sweetener: .5-2%+ 4.5/5

Bumping this up for you Kiwi, keep in mind these are for single flavor mixes and you may want to start a little lower than the suggested percentages and work your way up.

Ah yes. I've had them in 2x 30mins UC, and I'm gonna wait a day to try em.

I'm a tad worried about my strawberry cheesecake tho. My total flavoring % is 23%, which apparently is very high. Shakes head.


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[TheKiwi]

Holy crap that's a GREAT list! Thanks so much! Saved.

That saved my azz. I was gonna try the tiramisu tmr and was thinking of starting at 10% hahahaha.


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[Harleybarbie]

Holy crap that's a GREAT list! Thanks so much! Saved.

That saved my azz. I was gonna try the tiramisu tmr and was thinking of starting at 10% hahahaha.


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Kiwi, I copied that post with the percentages in my notes on my iPad so I didn't have keep looking it up.
It's worth it to have it close to you when mixing

 

[BigLungs]

You are very welcome!
That list is an accumulation from many many many different people, and as we all know everyone's tastes are different. Just keep that in mind. You may personally like lower or higher percentages than what is on the list. I use them as a general starting range and go from there.

Oh and everyone is allowed to add to/change/modify the list. It isn't mine. If you do make changes to the list just put them in bold

Yes 10% on tiramisu would probably be nasty for sure, I remember reading that tiramisu smells funny for a few days after you mix it(cat piss was the actual description I remember reading). I haven't tried it myself so I can't comment on that, but many people love love love that flavor once it has steeped.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Ah yes. I've had them in 2x 30mins UC, and I'm gonna wait a day to try em.

I'm a tad worried about my strawberry cheesecake tho. My total flavoring % is 23%, which apparently is very high. Shakes head.


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Not with TFA, and particularly when you are using creams and vanillas. Most of my creamy, sweet, vanillas are closer to 30%. Straight TFA single flavors can taste "off" or chemically at 23% or higher, but not generally with mixes. You'll see soon enough. Other flavor brands of higher flavor concentrations are too high with that much flavoring, but I have not found that to be true with TFA's. When I started, I heard the same thing, so I kept my flavorings lower and I could never get my juice to the tastes I wanted and liked. I don't have a single juice with less than 20% flavoring, or more than 30.5% flavoring today, and I have over 30 ADV's. Taste, though, is entirely subjective. The point is that the "rules" that I read about right here on this thread often don't apply to everyone, and only by experimenting can we create the juice we like. More important to keep an open mind, make smaller batches, try unusual combinations (the bases of most tobacco flavorings, for example, are combinations of fruits flavorings, which together do not taste like either fruit to start with (not NET's)). Also, on the "LIST," remember that these are a good ballpark for your one or two predominant flavors. When you get into mixes, the secondary flavors are almost always at lower percentages, as has been my experience. Good luck and happy mixing.

 

[dwarfcat]

Staring at all of my pretty new flavors here and im thinking I need to make a pumpkin pie flavor for the upcoming fall and the come back of my fav thing ever the PSL latte from starbucks.

Any advice on the pumpkin spice flavor? Just off the top of my head this was what I wanted to try

7% pumpkin spice
4% whip cream
2%sweet cream
2% graham cracker clear

 

[dwarfcat]

The berry crunch smells just like skoal berry blend and I tasted just a micro drop it taste like it too.

 

[tdtyler]

Staring at all of my pretty new flavors here and im thinking I need to make a pumpkin pie flavor for the upcoming fall and the come back of my fav thing ever the PSL latte from starbucks.

Any advice on the pumpkin spice flavor? Just off the top of my head this was what I wanted to try

7% pumpkin spice
4% whip cream
2%sweet cream
2% graham cracker clear

Taste is so subjective... I have a thought, but it might be totally wrong for you. I, too, love the Starbucks PSL. First, TFA has a pumpkin flavor. I have it because I thought I could use it to duplicate Starbucks PSL. Wrong. The pumpkin flavor from TFA is very authentic which means to me it leans toward the cucumber side of what a pumpkin is. Using it to duplicate Starbucks PSL didn't work. I suspect it might have helped if I'd used *LESS* of it.

The only question I have about your recipe above is the graham cracker flavoring. I get no graham cracker flavor from the Starbucks drink we're talking about. I have used TFA Graham Cracker Clear and it's good. So... I suspect you've used the creams in a combination before so you know what you want.

What about nutmeg and cinnamon? I'd be curious to know if that pumpkin spice from TFA has those flavorings already present. And one more: vanilla...

By all means, whatever you do, please post your thoughts about the outcome and what you eventually end up with.

Tim

 

[tdtyler]

I have citric acid in powder/crystal form. Mixing solids and liquids baffles me. I'm making it harder than it should be.

How do I add citric acid powder to 1 pint of PG to end up with .1% citric acid concentration?

Dope slaps welcome...

Tim

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Taste is so subjective... I have a thought, but it might be totally wrong for you. I, too, love the Starbucks PSL. First, TFA has a pumpkin flavor. I have it because I thought I could use it to duplicate Starbucks PSL. Wrong. The pumpkin flavor from TFA is very authentic which means to me it leans toward the cucumber side of what a pumpkin is. Using it to duplicate Starbucks PSL didn't work. I suspect it might have helped if I'd used *LESS* of it.

The only question I have about your recipe above is the graham cracker flavoring. I get no graham cracker flavor from the Starbucks drink we're talking about. I have used TFA Graham Cracker Clear and it's good. So... I suspect you've used the creams in a combination before so you know what you want.

What about nutmeg and cinnamon? I'd be curious to know if that pumpkin spice from TFA has those flavorings already present. And one more: vanilla...

By all means, whatever you do, please post your thoughts about the outcome and what you eventually end up with.

Tim

Like your thinking Tim. Seems to me that adding Cinnamon Danish to the Pumpkin Spice along with other creams and vanillas, is going to get close to what you're after, or the original poster is after. When I want just a touch of cinnamon, I always find that the CD helps, rather than straight cinnamon, which is difficult to get right and not overpowering. Two cents, guys. Good luck.

 

[tdtyler]

Like your thinking Tim. Seems to me that adding Cinnamon Danish to the Pumpkin Spice along with other creams and vanillas, is going to get close to what you're after, or the original poster is after. When I want just a touch of cinnamon, I always find that the CD helps, rather than straight cinnamon, which is difficult to get right and not overpowering. Two cents, guys. Good luck.

CINNAMON DANISH!!!!! I have to remember that. The cinnamon flavor is so strong I've not been successful with it. Good one, Bill!

 

[dwarfcat]

Taste is so subjective... I have a thought, but it might be totally wrong for you. I, too, love the Starbucks PSL. First, TFA has a pumpkin flavor. I have it because I thought I could use it to duplicate Starbucks PSL. Wrong. The pumpkin flavor from TFA is very authentic which means to me it leans toward the cucumber side of what a pumpkin is. Using it to duplicate Starbucks PSL didn't work. I suspect it might have helped if I'd used *LESS* of it.

The only question I have about your recipe above is the graham cracker flavoring. I get no graham cracker flavor from the Starbucks drink we're talking about. I have used TFA Graham Cracker Clear and it's good. So... I suspect you've used the creams in a combination before so you know what you want.

What about nutmeg and cinnamon? I'd be curious to know if that pumpkin spice from TFA has those flavorings already present. And one more: vanilla...

By all means, whatever you do, please post your thoughts about the outcome and what you eventually end up with.

Tim

For the vape I was more going for pumpkin pie with whip cream and a graham cracker crust. I just plugged the PSL because im excited about it coming back soon. The pumpkin spice TFA smells very spicy in the tube but maybe its more mellow when in a liquid. I was feeling it had Cinnamon and clove already in its flavor profile. I do think that cinnamon danish could add something to the mix tho. Hmm, ill likely whip this up sunday and ill def report back.

 

[dwarfcat]

Maybe involve some vanilla bean gelato in some manner too?

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I have citric acid in powder/crystal form. Mixing solids and liquids baffles me. I'm making it harder than it should be.

How do I add citric acid powder to 1 pint of PG to end up with .1% citric acid concentration?

Dope slaps welcome...

Tim

I make a 10% solution and add at about 1 drop per 50 mls, but depends on dropper size. 20 drops to a mil, use 1 drop per 50ml. 40 drops per ml, use 1 drop per 25 mils. You can get to solution with weight, volume, mass, etc. 9 for 1. How I do it anyway. I'm sure others have other ways and amounts. Good luck.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Maybe involve some vanilla bean gelato in some manner too?

You bet. I use all of the different vanillas and creams that TFA offers in various recipes. Want sweet vanilla, use vanilla swirl. Want creamy, try Bavarian cream, want ice cream or French vanilla, use one of the several different ones. They're all good, imo. I also use both sweetener and cotton candy in my recipes. I have a sweet tooth. Good luck.