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It's different mostly because TFA removed the custard notes from their TFA Cheesecake Graham Crust.

CAP NY Cheesecake is stronger, but, it still has the custard notes.

Similar to VZ Vanilla Sponge Cake and FA Pandoro.

None of them taste like a real cheesecake tho.
Kina noticin that now. I've tried 4 diff cheesecakes tuh make strawberry cheesecake an it jus ain't tastin right. I'm Waitin on Cap NY which will b my 5th an final attempt. I'd b curious tuh try uh cheesecake juice thas on the market. Then Proly jus end up ...... off that I couldn't recreate it lol.
 

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Any idea how it would be if I substitute Ripe Banana for Bananas Foster?

Thought I'd share a pretty good recipe. I call this Monkey Business:

Bananas Foster - 12%
Cinnamon Danish - 6%
Vanilla Swirl - 4%
Jamaican Rum - 5%
Brown Sugar - 3%

I make this 30/70 PG/VG using 6% PG Nic and 64% VG added to 30% PG flavoring above. This is a good Bananas Foster recipe...Monkey Business, a family favorite. Very flavorful and not overwhelming. If you like this more as a creamy banana reduce rum and brown sugar and add caramel and butter. Both are very good. Enjoy!
 

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Any idea how it would be if I substitute Ripe Banana for Bananas Foster?

It would be a different banana and 12% would probably be pretty high for ripe banana, or green banana. Also, it would not be a bananas foster recipe. Might try it at maybe 8%, and go for more creams, shooting more for a banana cream, though there is a TFA flavor for that which is better. Ripe banana is good, just different, stronger, and will melt some plastic tanks...
 

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It would be a different banana and 12% would probably be pretty high for ripe banana, or green banana. Also, it would not be a bananas foster recipe. Might try it at maybe 8%, and go for more creams, shooting more for a banana cream, though there is a TFA flavor for that which is better. Ripe banana is good, just different, stronger, and will melt some plastic tanks...

the banana creme flavoring is great. ya the ripe banana melted a layer of plastic off of my kayfun tank.

bill do you have a spot you keep your recipes? reading through the thread and man do you know your stuff. i would love to try out some of your recipes or all of them lol
 

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the banana creme flavoring is great. ya the ripe banana melted a layer of plastic off of my kayfun tank.

bill do you have a spot you keep your recipes? reading through the thread and man do you know your stuff. i would love to try out some of your recipes or all of them lol

I use the juice me up calculator, and excel spreadsheets for production runs, and make all my juices with 30% PG flavor bases. Seems to work pretty well for my purposes. Anything in particular you are interested in?
 

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Thought I would share a chocolate recipe that I have found it pretty spot on. I have an affinity for deserts, and enjoy pies, creams, custards, cereals and candy bars. Here's a chocolate cream pie that is pretty spot on:

Milk Chocolate - 5%
Vanilla Swirl - 5%
Graham Cracker - 6%
Double Chocolate - 4%
Whipped Cream - 3%
Sweetener - 4%
Sweet Cream - 3%

Again, all TFA flavors at a 30% mix. Great immediately. To die for as it steeps/ages. I have found chocolates to be difficult, but the creams and vanillas seem to fix a myriad of flavor sins, and allow a high flavor mix percentage without chemical, floral or spice effects. The high graham cracker is just to keep it barely in the mix. This one is a sweet, delicious chocolate with a creamy topping on a graham cracker crust. The sweetness of the vanilla swirl and the sweetener really make this seem like a real pie, but may be too sweet for some, so just back it off a wee bit. Enjoy!

P.S., just so you know, I don't just whip these up out of thin air. This one went through seven evolutions, after, I figured out all the ingredients.
 
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Hmm. I did a 2% cappuccino, 3% milk chocolate 3% vanilla custard. Damned thing was near unvapeable hahahahah

If cappuccino is as strong as caramel cappuccino than that's the problem. With caramel cappuccino I have gone down as far as one drop flavor per 20ml and it is still strong. It is also a flavor that benefits from a 2+ week steep. It helps take the musky edge off.

Hope that helps. Unfortunately I haven't tried the plain cappuccino
 

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If cappuccino is as strong as caramel cappuccino than that's the problem. With caramel cappuccino I have gone down as far as one drop flavor per 20ml and it is still strong. It is also a flavor that benefits from a 2+ week steep. It helps take the musky edge off.

Hope that helps. Unfortunately I haven't tried the plain cappuccino

Strangely, it was the milk chocolate that was overpowering. I'm actually not getting the cappuccino at all.
 

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Strangely, it was the milk chocolate that was overpowering. I'm actually not getting the cappuccino at all.

Capp may not be near as strong as caramel capp then.
Chocolate vapes are hard for many people. They tend to do better with high a "creaminess" factor. Try lowering the percentage a touch and adding in one or multiple cream flavors.

Also if you happen to have a plain vanilla, or vanilla bean ice cream(or vanilla bean gelato) , try that in place of the vanilla custard
 
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Capp may not be near as strong as caramel capp then.
Chocolate vapes are hard for many people. They tend to do better with high a "creaminess" factor. Try lowering the percentage a touch and adding in one or multiple cream flavors.

Also if you happen to have a plain vanilla, or vanilla bean ice cream(or vanilla bean gelato) , try that in place of the vanilla custard

Ah okay! Thanks for the input! I'm completely new to DIY and it's been a struggle haha. Based on your input, I'm
Gonna try

1% chocolate
3% cappuccino
2% vanilla.

All TFA. hopefully it turns out sweet!
 

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Keep in mind when starting out DIY, it is easier to start with individual flavors.
Begin by perfecting each flavor on it's own, once you have a few flavors already made tasting how you like them(or as good as they can be on their own) then start mixing those together at varying ratios.
You can do this by putting x # drops of liquid A and x # drops liquid B into a bottle/tank/dripper and trying the result out. Repeat and adjust ratios up or down. Once you have a feel for how flavors play together then start going for the complex mixes.

Record everything. Every failure and every success. Keep clear notes so you can understand them and also find what you're looking for when you need it.
I use the eJuice Me Up calculator for this reason. It allows you to save notes right in the recipe.
 

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Keep in mind when starting out DIY, it is easier to start with individual flavors.
Begin by perfecting each flavor on it's own, once you have a few flavors already made tasting how you like them(or as good as they can be on their own) then start mixing those together at varying ratios.
You can do this by putting x # drops of liquid A and x # drops liquid B into a bottle/tank/dripper and trying the result out. Repeat and adjust ratios up or down. Once you have a feel for how flavors play together then start going for the complex mixes.
Record everything. Every failure and every success. Keep clear notes so you can understand them and also find what you're looking for when you need it.
I use the eJuice Me Up calculator for this reason. It allows you to save notes right in the recipe.

Good advice... I might also add that in many cases " simple things are best"
 

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Strangely, it was the milk chocolate that was overpowering. I'm actually not getting the cappuccino at all.

Very strange, as my bottle of TFA Milk Chocolate tastes like water, straight from the bottle.

But TFA Double Chocolate (Clear) is plenty strong.

I'd only go with 1% TFA Cappuccino to start, as I thought it was pretty strong...
 

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in many cases " simple things are best"

I'm finding that to be very true.I have made probably 100 or more multi flavor recipes,but my 3 main juices that i make over and over again are all single flavor mixes.

As for the cappucino,what i have seen says to start at 2%,but i made a batch the other day at 2%,and it seems really weak there,i'm going to let it steep a week,then start bumping it up a bit to see if i can get it at least a bit better.

Kiwi,that recipe sounds like it could be good,keep us posted on how it comes out when you get it where you want it.I don't have any chocolate flavors,but you may have convinced me to get some haha.
 

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I'm finding that to be very true.I have made probably 100 or more multi flavor recipes,but my 3 main juices that i make over and over again are all single flavor mixes.

As for the cappucino,what i have seen says to start at 2%,but i made a batch the other day at 2%,and it seems really weak there,i'm going to let it steep a week,then start bumping it up a bit to see if i can get it at least a bit better.

Kiwi,that recipe sounds like it could be good,keep us posted on how it comes out when you get it where you want it.I don't have any chocolate flavors,but you may have convinced me to get some haha.

I've found better Chocolates with Inawera Chocolate Cream, FA Cocoa, and FA Chocolate IMO.
 

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TFA chocolates have worked just fine with me, but not alone. Adding vanilla and sweetener has consistently gotten me to every chocolate I've reached for. Chocolate or Cacoa is generally a very bitter powder that does not taste very good on its own. However, add butter and vanilla and "sugar" and dairy and eggs and you can end up with one of the best flavors in the world. Works same way with juice flavors. I have not found any single flavor mixes that I like with TFA, but I have dozens of ADV recipes, and do wholesale private label juices to local vendors by the hundreds of bottles every month. For me, it's all about mixes, flavoring to taste, finding flavors to copy, and then enjoying the effort it takes to copy them, searching out other recipes in this forum, but also on many other forums, and making juices in very small batches (drops), then tweaking them over and over again until they work...for me. I have found that others share my taste, so it has worked well. The only problems I ever had was when I tried to make a vanilla custard and tried to use Capella flavors, and I could never get there, after three months of trying. I eventually switched back to TFA, and it's better than ever.

I enjoy mixing juices, and, over time, have learned a lot, and made a lot of good flavors, that everyone else seems to like. If I didn't vape and didn't enjoy mixing, I wouldn't do this DIY thing for anything. It can be expensive, time consuming, frustrating, and I would have given up had I not made about a $500 investment upfront in DIY. So, stayed with it, and after 6 months I got my first ADV. Many have followed, but I have literally hundreds, of flavorings that didn't work, and if one counts tweaking recipes, certainly thousands of recipes that have not worked. Patience is a must for this type of thing. However, once you do begin to understand the combinations, the juice improves dramatically, and anyone can learn to make great juice. On the complex recipes, try finding good recipes and following them. Then tweak them to taste. That is the only way you're going to find out how to do this yourself, imho. Tweaking is just training. It's the experimenting, and how you learn how the blends fit together. I often struggle with a single percentage of two different ingredients trying to find the sweet spot. You know you are really close, and by staying with it, you can close the gap and get the flavor YOU LIKE. If other people like my juice....great. The important thing is that I like it. I made it for my vaping pleasure, and added to what I liked for my family and friends' pleasure. I never had any commercial interests, and still don't, but, then again, I'm not going to ignore 300% wholesale markups, and hourly support of my family members. I already have three jobs. I don't need a vaping job. But if others like it, so be it. Keepin' it real, and just sharing my experiences. I only know what I've done, and certainly am no expert at any of this. Two cents.
 

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Hmm. Well I did try a couple of single flavor mixes.

I was hoping REAL bad for my grape to work out. Unfortunately that turned out awful and was pretty much unvapeable. It had the weirdest smell on exhale.

I also tried a single flavor tiramisu at 2% (apparently it's super strong). That was ok.

I'm gonna spend the weekend trying out more single flavor mixes and incorporate some advice here.

Also quick note: the TFA sweetener I have is Sucralose. (However you spell that). I know it obviously changes the taste, but how about the smell?
 
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