Oh that's a great idea. I'll do that tmr. Thank you! You've been a HUGE help in my slow transition to DIY and I really appreciate it.
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Oh that's a great idea. I'll do that tmr. Thank you! You've been a HUGE help in my slow transition to DIY and I really appreciate it.
Not at this stage of my mixing. (as she breaks out in a nervous giggle at the thought of sharing any of her recipes) No, no I come in this thread to learn from a pro. I don't even use many TFA flavors mainly FA except for Hangsen and Inawera tobaccos. I just love reading your posts because of your knowledge and I really like the way your mixing brain works. So Jensy will wait to share until I am somewhat certain that something is really good.
No problem, no pressure, for sure. I just think that if we can get everyone sharing their recipes, this thread will improve dramatically. I don't want to be the only one sharing my recipes. I do want to share what was not easy for me to learn, nor was it quick. I mean it when I say I couldn't make anything that was any good for the first six months, other than my one ADV, Cinnamon Danish, which I'm vaping right now, as usual, I wasn't kidding:
Cinnamon Danish - 10%
Bavarian Cream - 3 - 6%
Cotton Candy - 10%
I made 400 ml of this yesterday, so I guess I'll be vaping it some more for a while.
Thank you for the kind words. If we can understand how the mixing works, then the whole flavor world opens up. Took me a long time, but it's not hard, I'm just a slow learner, I suppose.
Most of what I read was not accurate along the way. Like keep your mixes under 20%. All of my mixes are over 20%. Like if you do go over 15% or so, you'll get a chemical taste. Maybe on some single flavor mixes, but I don't make single flavor mixes. I just like what I'm doing and will continue to play with my flavorings until I get bored, and then I won't care to share.
Thank you for chimin' in here! Good luck!
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I hear you, my friend. I haven't made a tobacco in two years now, myself. Nasty things.....but, I did once upon a time, and many others feel they need a tobacco flavor to vape, and so, I am now accepting the challenge to make a signature tobacco, and have a lot of thoughts about how to do that. By announcing this, I can, and will, share my journey here, so that others can see what and how I did it, and why. Taste is so subjective, though, so what I think is great, may not be great to anyone else, but we shall see.
I know what you mean about always being two flavors short. I only have about 100, and there's at least twice that many, I think. I've never counted, and new flavors are coming out all the time. I just ordered yesterday the frosted donut. How did Linda know I have a weakness for donuts?
I'll share some more along the way, and plan to make new ones at a good pace, as well. Good luck!
Sounds wonderful! A very nice way to break up the day, I think!
I wanted to take a moment this morning to say "Thank you" to everyone that has contributed to the wealth of information posted in this thread. It took me 3 days to read it from cover to cover and am so happy to see that the end has not yet been written.
I think I have learned a lot from all the great info posted. Up until now most of my mixes have been single flavors with a bit of sweet added. I want to post a special shout out to you, Bill. All of the recipes you have posted (and are now saved by me) sound delicious. I have "most" of the flavors I need to make quite a few of them and all of the flavors to make one or two. I will start with those and get to the others once I get more flavors ordered. They are already in my WL shopping cart.
Once I decide which ones I can't live without I will get the big bottles straight from the source of much better prices.
I think I have learned a lot from all the great info posted. Up until now most of my mixes have been single flavors with a bit of sweet added. I want to post a special shout out to you, Bill. All of the recipes you have posted (and are now saved by me) sound delicious. I have "most" of the flavors I need to make quite a few of them and all of the flavors to make one or two. I will start with those and get to the others once I get more flavors ordered. They are already in my WL shopping cart.
Once I decide which ones I can't live without I will get the big bottles straight from the source of much better prices.
Well, I've got a recipie I was tinkering with, but not really sure it's good LOL. I didn't try it right after mixing, I went straight to steep, tried at 2 weeks, then 4. Welcome to tinker with it if you like. I was working with what I had on hand
All TFA
RY4 10%
Butterscotch 5%
Vanilla Swirl 5%
A little spicy, probably needs the RY4 dialed back some. I also bought RY4 Asian, but haven't mixed a test batch yet. Also might try some Bavarian Cream in there.
Here is my Grape Jolly Rancher mix:
Grape Candy 10%
Cotton Candy 2% (was easier to use than EM, basically same thing)
Normally mixed at 50/50 & 12mg. Nothing too fancy here!
Grape Candy 10%
Cotton Candy 2% (was easier to use than EM, basically same thing)
Normally mixed at 50/50 & 12mg. Nothing too fancy here!
Weird. The quote for bill's cinnamon Danish recipe isn't showing
Very nice, my friend. Maybe dial back the RY4 to 6 - 8%, maybe add caramel, and Bavarian cream. That will smooth it out for you. Smooth is a flavor that can also round out the edges. Yummy time!
Great recipe! A favorite. I use Cotton Candy all the time, as well. Vanillas and Creams won't change the flavor, but will add depth and thickness and richness. Two cents.
Hey bill! Regarding that...
So I've been working on my own simple grape juice. Right now it's just 10% grape juice, 2% sweetener and 3 drops of Koolada per 10ml. I added the sweetener just because while I'm getting the "smell" part of it right, the taste part wasn't up to my liking.
1) regarding cotton candy: i know that some people consider it a form of sweetener (I've read that it really isn't), so I guess there's an element of sweetness to it. What would be the difference between using sweetener vs using EM in place of it?
2) thickness and richness: the juice right now smells and tastes good for me. My only gripe is that it's a little "thin" if you know what I mean. I'm using 50/50, and even then the vapor is dense and thick, but it just feels and tastes like it lacks some kind of thickness and richness.
My first thought was that since a lot of people say that EM can be added to give mouth fill and a little body to the taste, I was thinking of dropping the sweetener to 1% and adding 2% EM.
You mentioned that adding vanilla and cream will help me achieve that without affecting the flavor, and I guess I'm a little puzzled as to why. I have both a normal vanilla, sweet cream and vanilla swirl, and they seem to have a very distinct smell to it, so it seems counterintuitive that adding them wouldn't affect the flavor.
Bill,
I hate to keep firing questions too but have you ever used Mt Dew flavoring in your fruits to bring them out a bit. I used it in juicy peach and it really made it pop is all i could say. I only put a couple drops in a 10ml mix but cant remember exact. I guess its a flavor to taste kinda thing for now.
I hate to keep firing questions too but have you ever used Mt Dew flavoring in your fruits to bring them out a bit. I used it in juicy peach and it really made it pop is all i could say. I only put a couple drops in a 10ml mix but cant remember exact. I guess its a flavor to taste kinda thing for now.
I was also wondering how EM compares to cotton candy (as I've read they are interchangeable) and at what ratio. I have EM but not cotton candy. Does the cotton candy match equally with a 10% dilution of EM in PG?
In my experience, EM doesn't sweeten but gives the illusion of sweet. It also doesn't add much of any body to the mix that I can discern but sucralose seems to...
In my experience, EM doesn't sweeten but gives the illusion of sweet. It also doesn't add much of any body to the mix that I can discern but sucralose seems to...
Oh to clarify, my EM is TFA's cotton candy. The ingredient listed is PG and EM.
They also have a cotton candy which isn't EM, but actually cotton candy flavor. that's what I've seen
They also have a cotton candy which isn't EM, but actually cotton candy flavor. that's what I've seen
Thank you for this question/response!
1. I use both sweetener and Cotton Candy, in virtually everything I make, just like the real world does in our food. Why? it tastes better. I have a slight preference for the cotton candy. Tastes better to me, but if you look through my recipes, I use both almost equally.
2. I know exactly what you mean by thin, and it's why I often add creams and vanillas to my mixes. They taste "thicker," to me, whether they are or not.
3. While it not 100% true that flavor is not affected, it's pretty much a taste thing. The creams and vanillas add to and enhance the flatter flavors, like most fruits, and many other single ingredient base flavorings. While you can detect vanilla and cream, they potentiate to expand the base flavoring. The Grape becomes "more grape," for example. So, while you can taste vanilla and cream, because you get "more grape", you don't experience a significant flavor change, but, rather, a more expansive,richer, thicker, creamier grape. I don't know why adding nuances to flavors causes them to expand and become richer, I just know that is what it does, from experience. Also, remember, that taste is totally subjective. The flavors I add and the percentages I use may not be exactly right for you, and that is what makes the journey so interesting to me. You literally HAVE TO figure out your blends yourself for your taste.
I'll give you another example. Try making chocolate using chocolate flavoring. If you can do it without vanillas and cream, I'd like to hear about it. Chocolate was tough for a long time until I began to think about what chocolate really is. Take a delicious milk chocolate, for example. Sure it cacao/chocolate, but that a very bitter taste until you add dairy, vanilla and sweetener, and then it tastes like the familiar chocolate we all love. Flavors work the same way. They are base flavors and must be enhanced with supporting flavors to get them to where you want them. This has been my experience and one of the primary ways that caused my juice to go from lousy to pretty good, I think. I like it.
In an earlier post, a member listed the ingredients for a recipe to make a flavoring like cake for example. How can you make cake without a base, sweetness, eggs, dairy, butter, creams, etc.? Doesn't work unless you do. This doesn't mean that you have to always use all of these ingredients, only that enhancing base flavors is what makes juice great. So very few of the TFA flavors taste spectacular out of the bottle, as single ingredients, at least they don't to me. But add a little of this and that, and suddenly....MAGIC JUICE! So, play around with it yourself and see if it works for you. Maybe the vanillas and creams will so change the flavoring for you that you won't want to go that way...and, of course, that's fine. But give it a try and see if you like it, is all. Best of luck and kindest regards, my friend!
Fire away, and YES I have. The cooler flavors will potentiate with base flavors to expand their flavoring...richer, thicker, delicious. Koolada, watermelon, several berries, all the mints, and many others will do this. Fun stuff, huh?
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My cotton candy is EM. I vape it by the boatload, that and Bavarian cream, particularly together...Yummy!
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