The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[tdtyler]

I seen that post the other day,and meant to comment when i got home,but forgot.As far as ry4 double and ry4 asain,they are very different tastes.I really like the ry4d but the asian is some funky stuff haha,if you want to try it,i would buy the small sample size so you dont spend more than you need to if you dont like it.There are alot of people who thinkit's really good,just like alot think m-type is really good,personally i can't stand either.


On the same note as tobacco flavors,it has been a really odd time the last month or so.I quit smoking back in march,and have been fine up until mid august.I dont know what changed,but now every time i start to get stressed,i get those really bad cravings,getting jittery,etc.,it's horrible haha.I'm thinking part of the cause may be that i have moved fairly quickly,in making changes to my vaping.I started out with tobacco flavors at 24mg,after a month,i started going for fruit/bakery type flavors and never went back to tobacco flavors,but i still felt fine,no cravings,etc.,around mid july i dropped from 24mg down to 18mg,and still felt fine,but less than a month later,i start getting these horrible cravings.I have 2 thoughts to try and help work this over.First i am going to make 1 mix with 24mg,that way i can have it ready if needed,but i also think i am going to try my hand at making a tobacco extract like the ones in the top of this forum section.It's a pretty simple process,just not sure how good it will taste haha.I figure between these 2,that should definitely help me work through this crap haha.

On one more note,i feel like kicking myself.I woke up this morning,and placed my flavor order,just like i do every thursday morning before i go to work.I didn't realize until after the order was complete,that the orange mandarin,that i am positive i added to my cart last night,was in fact not in my cart haha.I think i must have thought i clicked the buy button,and apparently didn't.Oh well,at least there is another thursday haha.

Don't - whatever you do - don't pick up a stinkie... It's not worth it. I agree with Bill. I think we go through stages and there are triggers out there that I *STILL* haven't gotten through. You probably passed over a trigger and didn't know it. Don't forget the psychological aspect of our little nasty addiction. It can jump up at any time. Your idea of some extra nic is spot on. Do it.

As for the RY4 Asian - okay. Small bottle to start. What you said actually encourage me because my wife and I both vape M Type Premium and like it a lot. So... Maybe the RY4 battle isn't over.

HA!

Tim

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Back to the chocolates (above)...

When we do any chocolate baked goods, most bakers add a wee bit of coffee. Not enough to actually taste it however. It's just a complimentary flavor and it tends to bring out ALL flavor notes of the chocolate that you're using in your recipe. Have you found this the same in juice making? Or, have you tried this method even?


Thank you for the boat load of info. My day turned into a nightmare.... so it was nice to come back to something VERY cool!!!!!!!!!!

Coffee is used in all sorts of recipes, including my own, particularly kona coffee. Depends what you are going for. If you want a very dark chocolate that has a bitterness to it, you can add coffee to the chocolate. Personally, the chocolate flavorings from TFA have no problem in that direction. They are already dark and bitter, just mix bitter chocolate with dark chocolate and tell me if it needs coffee. No, the TFA chocolates require sweet vanilla creams to bring out their full potential for me, and I have played around with them for a long time. Many juice makers cannot make a good chocolate because they require high flavor mixes of several flavorings, and many juice makers have some "artificial" 15 or 20% flavor ceiling which makes it really hard to do without long, long steeping periods, or, pretty much the exact opposite of how I make juice. Hope that answers your question. Just my experience. There may be other experiences.

Where I see chocolate and coffee together most often is in coffee drinks, not chocolate ones. Not unusual at all to add chocolate to coffee drinks of all types, though they are not really on my radar much. I like to drink coffee, not vape it. I like the active ingredients in coffee, not it's flavor so much. Just a personal preference.

Glad you like the Primer Post, Ren. Maybe it'll help some folks along the way. Sure would have helped me the first six months.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I AM doing the happy dance however, because TODAYYYYYYYYYYY came my new mod from MadVapes!!!!! Batteries are charging now. Went to my fav B&M to get a crash course in coil wrapping (he's got me sup ohm'ing right now at .5-not sure if that is appropriate for my mixing). Sooooooooooooooo the question is....should I go for a higher ohm coil for taste testing or leave it? I want my wonderful TFA flavors to taste the best they can!!!!!!!

I try and design my flavorings for my vaping, and not for drippers, necessarily, and you should too. Reason is that different vaping techniques will affect your taste experience of the juice. Some juices are good in some devices, others not so much. Also, nicotine must usually be reduced when dripping versus say a Protank, and the juice could easily be adjusted for either experience.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

We make are own juice so we have the luxury of tuning the Nic to anything we want. We don't have to go by So why such a jump in Nic level? Nothing wrong with going from 24mg to 21mg before 18mg making it easier to transition thus a happier you. I feel a 3mg reduction is better suited in those ranges. No doubt builds, gear, and juice play a huge roll in the Nic delivery. I ADV over 100 watts so 6mg pretty much blows me head off. I make juice for myself at 0, 3, 4 and 5mg and can tell the difference on my setups. A lower Nic is great for some mornings and before bed. Not only tuning flavor to your own preference but many other variables like Nic level make DIY so awesome over store bought juice. Take advantage of them all!

I hear you, my friend, and heartily agree.

 

[tdtyler]

I like to drink coffee, not vape it. I like the active ingredients in coffee, not it's flavor so much. Just a personal preference.

That's what my son says every time I ask if we should try a coffee recipe. I've tried a couple TFA Coffee recipes and they came out tasting like stale, dirty, half-dry dish rags. That's NOT a comment on the flavor from TFA - it's my "mixing" and I use the term very loosely.

Tim

 

[jagstownville]

Made this a few days ago.... so freaking good. Depth of flavor is unreal. Share with a friend who loved it. Need to make more tonight. Made the base and let that sit for a couple of days because I had other juice to vape first. I vaped this Strawberry Shortcake all day for 2 straight days.

Strawberry Shortcake

Strawberry 10%
Vanilla Cupcake 10%
Graham Cracker PA 3%
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream 2%
Whipped Cream 2%

Going to try to make same as above but sub out 10% Strawberry for 5% of Pineapple... should be close to Pineapple upside-down cake???

Good luck and enjoy!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Bookmarked your short TFA guide for some comp's with pub and practice. Capella is more elusive in their consistency.

Thx Bill.

Good luck.

Yep, know exactly what you mean. I started off with Capella flavorings, as many swear by them. I've had better luck with TFA, and more practice. You can probably work with any of them and eventually learn to make just about everything if one tries hard enough. TTYL

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Made this a few days ago.... so freaking good. Depth of flavor is unreal. Share with a friend who loved it. Need to make more tonight. Made the base and let that sit for a couple of days because I had other juice to vape first. I vaped this Strawberry Shortcake all day for 2 straight days.

Strawberry Shortcake

Strawberry 10%
Vanilla Cupcake 10%
Graham Cracker PA 3%
Vanilla Bean Ice Cream 2%
Whipped Cream 2%

Going to try to make same as above but sub out 10% Strawberry for 5% of Pineapple... should be close to Pineapple upside-down cake???

Good luck and enjoy!

Sounds truly great! Good job.

I posted a shortcake recipe very similar to this a while back too. I so much prefer my strawberry shortcake to my strawberry cheesecake. Thanks for this. I don't use graham cracker or vanilla bean, but use the others and add sweetener. It's good stuff. I'll have to try your recipe sometime. Sounds great. Me likee.

 

[b.m.]

Don't - whatever you do - don't pick up a stinkie... It's not worth it. I agree with Bill. I think we go through stages and there are triggers out there that I *STILL* haven't gotten through. You probably passed over a trigger and didn't know it. Don't forget the psychological aspect of our little nasty addiction. It can jump up at any time. Your idea of some extra nic is spot on. Do it.

As for the RY4 Asian - okay. Small bottle to start. What you said actually encourage me because my wife and I both vape M Type Premium and like it a lot. So... Maybe the RY4 battle isn't over.

HA!

Tim

Oh yeah,definitely no worries about picking up a cigarette,my wife still smokes,and i can't even stand the smell of it anymore,i have to leave the room when she lights up it's so bad,which is why the cravings threw me for a loop haha.The bottle of rwhy4 i found in my cabinet may be my savior in this,it was made when i was still mixing at 24mg,and now that it has sat several months,it has a nice strong tobacco taste to it so it covers both bases i was thinking about.Speaking of which,since you already have the ry4 double,if you have never tried that recipe,i highly reccomend it,it's in the recipe section,it's good at the start,but this is one that definitely benefits from steeping as long as you can possibly stand to wait,as the tobacco flavor really starts to come alive after a long while.And i agree,if you both like m-type,then you may very well like the ry4 asian,neither of those were my thing,i despised the m-type haha,at 2% i couldn't take it,i let it sit for almost 6 months,as i heard it improved over time,i still could not take it,so that experiment ended here a few weeks ago,when i finally took the flavors i knew i would never use again,and traded with another member for some different types of flavors that i had not tried before.One of which is totally wicked pecan pie,whoa it's almost as bad as the m-type was to me haha.I should have looked up that flavor and tried to find a reccomended % to start at,but i thought 10% sounded like a good start,i was WRONG haha.


Hey jagstownville,that sounds like it may be very good using pineapple,keep us posted on how it comes out.As i posted yesterday,i came to the realization that vaping a strawberry flavor is not for me,which sucks because i really wanted to try that strawberry shortcake too,one of my favorite desserts,but now i know it would be a waste of time for me,because that really bad taste i get from the strawberry flavoring.Although,i really like pineapple too,so your idea may be a winner,and a definite way for me to still try that recipe,in a way anyway.I think i will go ahead and try your idea here in the next few days whenever i get a chance to make some more mixes.Thanks for sharing your idea,i can never get my brain to think beyond what's listed in a recipe,so trying to think of substitutions is way beyond my thought process,as you can tell i am not a very creative thinker haha.

 

[renilyn]

Coffee is used in all sorts of recipes, including my own, particularly kona coffee. Depends what you are going for. If you want a very dark chocolate that has a bitterness to it, you can add coffee to the chocolate. Personally, the chocolate flavorings from TFA have no problem in that direction. They are already dark and bitter, just mix bitter chocolate with dark chocolate and tell me if it needs coffee. No, the TFA chocolates require sweet vanilla creams to bring out their full potential for me, and I have played around with them for a long time. Many juice makers cannot make a good chocolate because they require high flavor mixes of several flavorings, and many juice makers have some "artificial" 15 or 20% flavor ceiling which makes it really hard to do without long, long steeping periods, or, pretty much the exact opposite of how I make juice. Hope that answers your question. Just my experience. There may be other experiences.

Where I see chocolate and coffee together most often is in coffee drinks, not chocolate ones. Not unusual at all to add chocolate to coffee drinks of all types, though they are not really on my radar much. I like to drink coffee, not vape it. I like the active ingredients in coffee, not it's flavor so much. Just a personal preference.

Glad you like the Primer Post, Ren. Maybe it'll help some folks along the way. Sure would have helped me the first six months.

Understood, more vanilla flavs in the cart LOL

As far as out in the real world.... you actually probably don't even realize that the coffee is in choco foods you've ate. Typically chocolate cakes, frostings, cookies all have a WEEEEEEE bit of coffee in them. For whatever reason, it just brings the chocolate to the forefront-so bakers have been doing this forever. When I was first learning to bake sweet goods, I thought the recipes were just WRONG. So I never added it. Went to a local family run Dutch bakery we have here and happened to watch one of the bakers while waiting in line for my turn. Sure as heck, she was adding (gack!) Tasters Choice to her chocolate cake batter. I got to talking with her (ok, I stayed for 1.5 hours lol) and found out that is how to bring out chocolate flavor in food, add a bit of coffee (instant if you're watching your liquids, espresso or just richly brewed coffee if you're not). I had no idea. Apparently it was something she learned when going to the Culinary Institute of America (the yummy CIA, not the other one!). It was an enlightening experience. I can't WAIT to tell her about this stuff!!!

The primer you posted earlier was I-N-C-R-E-D-I-B-L-E! Thank you for putting it all in one place. Now I may just print it out (I've written down most of those items from earlier posts in a notebook).

 

[renilyn]

Haha,yeah that's why i cut down,i had been using pro tanks,and switched over to dual coil rba's and rayon wicks,talk about a kick whoo hoo, haha.That's when i dropped the mg,but i think maybe now,i am getting to where my tolerance is back up,so my body thinks it wants more.Luckily they do pass within 30 minutes or so,with the help of a little chain vaping haha,but that is a horrible feeling,not so bad when i'm not at work,because then i can vape it away,but today,it hit me real good while at work,an hour before break,that was horrible,lasted all the way until break time,it was a stressful day to start with,which i think is what made it so bad today.

<---- NO NO NO NO NO! I may be only speaking for myself, but I doubt it seriously....If you have that issue again, PM or if you can't, I'll give you my email if its easier. It's true, we have triggers, we're addicts....That's the facts! But we should always be able to get over the hurdle with support-and I for one am willing to help. Besides!!!!!!!! What good would it do to get back on stinkies?!?!?!? You have all these beautiful TFA flavors!!!!!!!

 

[renilyn]

Seems like i'm at bankrupt right now, lets hope my wife dont find this out lol...

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GREAT order Felipe!!!!!!! I won't tell your wife, I swear! (If you don't tell my hubby lol)

 

[jagstownville]

Hey jagstownville,that sounds like it may be very good using pineapple,keep us posted on how it comes out.As i posted yesterday,i came to the realization that vaping a strawberry flavor is not for me,which sucks because i really wanted to try that strawberry shortcake too,one of my favorite desserts,but now i know it would be a waste of time for me,because that really bad taste i get from the strawberry flavoring.Although,i really like pineapple too,so your idea may be a winner,and a definite way for me to still try that recipe,in a way anyway.I think i will go ahead and try your idea here in the next few days whenever i get a chance to make some more mixes.Thanks for sharing your idea,i can never get my brain to think beyond what's listed in a recipe,so trying to think of substitutions is way beyond my thought process,as you can tell i am not a very creative thinker haha.

I just mixed the Pineapple UpsideDown... Pineapple at 5% may be a bit strong... Smells good but man, that pineapple really stands up and reminds you that it's strong! I'll let it sit and check it each day. The strawberry shortcake sat in a base stage for 3 days and it is exceptional. Like you, I'm not a huge fan of strawberry heavy vapes. I think the vanilla bean and whipped cream help to round this flavor out a bit as well as give it a ton of depth. Close to eating a warm slice and it kind of melting in your mouth.

Thinking that I may add 1%-2% of caramel to the pineapple mix as that cake has a good amount of syrup with it. Well, at least the ones that I've eaten.

 

[jagstownville]

Did anyone come close to a real milk flavor that you'd get in a bowl of cereal? Wanting to make Crunch Berries but want to get that milk just right. At this moment, Bavarian Cream is getting me close. Still feel like I'm missing something. I know Bill has been chasing this a bit too in the past. Vanilla swirl with a little sweetener? Thought about adding a couple of drops of marshmallow just to see... because I strange like that?

One of the best juices I've ever had was Uncle Mike's Bedrock Breakfast (fruity COPYRIGHTDMCA) and the exhale was a light creamy flavor. So smooth and just enough to make you had a spoon full of cereal in your mouth.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Understood, more vanilla flavs in the cart LOL

As far as out in the real world.... you actually probably don't even realize that the coffee is in choco foods you've ate. Typically chocolate cakes, frostings, cookies all have a WEEEEEEE bit of coffee in them. For whatever reason, it just brings the chocolate to the forefront-so bakers have been doing this forever. When I was first learning to bake sweet goods, I thought the recipes were just WRONG. So I never added it. Went to a local family run Dutch bakery we have here and happened to watch one of the bakers while waiting in line for my turn. Sure as heck, she was adding (gack!) Tasters Choice to her chocolate cake batter. I got to talking with her (ok, I stayed for 1.5 hours lol) and found out that is how to bring out chocolate flavor in food, add a bit of coffee (instant if you're watching your liquids, espresso or just richly brewed coffee if you're not). I had no idea. Apparently it was something she learned when going to the Culinary Institute of America (the yummy CIA, not the other one!). It was an enlightening experience. I can't WAIT to tell her about this stuff!!!

The primer you posted earlier was I-N-C-R-E-D-I-B-L-E! Thank you for putting it all in one place. Now I may just print it out (I've written down most of those items from earlier posts in a notebook).

Thanks Ren! The information on the coffee and chocolate is very interesting to me. We can learn so much from food preparation in our mixing. Some times they translate really well, other times not so much, but we never really know until we try! Keep it up, I can't wait to see your signature recipes emerge.



The joy of this hobby is about 80% of it....just showing up and trying. I think Woody said that, and he was right. If mixing is not your thing, it's hard to create new recipes, though still easy to follow them. It's still hard for me to believe that I can get up in the morning and vape just about anything I can conceive of. Since I'm very happy with my gear, my coils and wicks, my tools, and my juice, I have reached my personal vaping Nirvana. But the first year, when I was searching for that elusive perfect vape (for me), I just felt so driven, I bought a lot of different vaporizers and tanks and drippers, made maybe 20 different coils, tried half a dozen wick materials, and a lot of juices. Now that I've found my sweet spot in these areas, I'm very content to just vape my .... off, and play with it a little bit. I do love the mixing part. What else is left? If I'm happy with my gear and my heating/wicking elements, and my tools, what's left? JUICE BABY!!!

At one point I had 35 (A)PV's, about 25 tanks and drippers, about 50 clearos, about 20 carto tanks and gear, and I wasn't satisfied with my vape. I've sold and PIF'd all but 5 APV's, all but 10 tanks, and just mix juice when I'm in the mood. I get inspiration from real life food/dessert websites like Yummly. Go there and search for chocolate or vanilla, or cake or pie, and you'll have all the ideas imaginable! Then to TFA to order, then to the poorhouse, right? Now I buy bases by the 5 gallon bucket, Nicotine by the gallon, have 90% of all flavorings available (TFA and FW), and I couldn't be more content. Might as well share the experience, because I know it took me a good while to learn much about anything. Rather than ask a lot of questions, I just bought stuff and tried it myself. Sure I bought recommended items, but I had to see for myself what all the fuss was about. I loved my clearo phase, my carto phase (loved, loved, loved these), then finally RTA's entirely. A good Taifun with a precise micro coil and KGD with good juice on my Taifun Eye at 15 watts - That's my dream vape these days. I've tried most everything out there except perhaps some of the more recent exotic coil builds (l leave those for the youngsters), and I couldn't be happier about vaping. Even so, I'll probably give this up some day in the next year or two.....we'll just have to see. Right now......LOVIN' IT! Glad to be on this journey with all of you too! Makes it so much more fun. If I can ever do anything to help anyone in this regard, please let me know. My best to you all! And thank you Ren for always being there for everyone! It's special, and this thread needs you!

P.S. I still have a weakness for drip tips...I have well over 200 and still buy them.

 

[DebiK]

I'm still waiting to try out Bill's Cinnamon Danish recipe. I received a flavor order on Monday, but instead of Cinnamon Danish, they sent Cinnamon.

I've been typing up all of the recent recipes on this thread so I can have them all ready to try out. Of course, I am missing an ingredient or two on most of them. My vaping budget is extremely small, so it's going to be a while before I can get all of the flavors I need. I only have around 50 right now. That's why I had asked about the different vanillas. I can't just grab them all at once. I have to get the ones that are the most versatile and get the others later.

At first I was only writing down recipes I wanted for myself. Then I got to thinking that if I could convert a smoker to vaping, it would be good to have recipes that I could make for those who don't have the same taste as I do. So, even if you don't think a recipe sounds good for you, save it anyway, just in case.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Did anyone come close to a real milk flavor that you'd get in a bowl of cereal? Wanting to make Crunch Berries but want to get that milk just right. At this moment, Bavarian Cream is getting me close. Still feel like I'm missing something. I know Bill has been chasing this a bit too in the past. Vanilla swirl with a little sweetener? Thought about adding a couple of drops of marshmallow just to see... because I strange like that?

One of the best juices I've ever had was Uncle Mike's Bedrock Breakfast (fruity COPYRIGHTDMCA) and the exhale was a light creamy flavor. So smooth and just enough to make you had a spoon full of cereal in your mouth.

Dulce de Leche will do it for you. Perfect bottom of the cereal bowl flavoring. Literally PERFECT!!

 

[jagstownville]

Dulce de Leche will do it for you. Perfect bottom of the cereal bowl flavoring. Literally PERFECT!!

I have that and will make a run at the recipe with it too!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I just mixed the Pineapple UpsideDown... Pineapple at 5% may be a bit strong... Smells good but man, that pineapple really stands up and reminds you that it's strong! I'll let it sit and check it each day. The strawberry shortcake sat in a base stage for 3 days and it is exceptional. Like you, I'm not a huge fan of strawberry heavy vapes. I think the vanilla bean and whipped cream help to round this flavor out a bit as well as give it a ton of depth. Close to eating a warm slice and it kind of melting in your mouth.

Thinking that I may add 1%-2% of caramel to the pineapple mix as that cake has a good amount of syrup with it. Well, at least the ones that I've eaten.

Make small batches Jags. Taste test them immediately. Remix if not right until you find what you want. Try 100 drop mixes (1 drop = 1%). You can make almost anything in 800 drops or less, and most good mixes in 400 drops or less....Promise! High percentage flavor mixes do not have to steep for long periods, and can be corrected immediately to suit your tastes. This is why mixes are between 20% and 30%. Ready to go right out of the can. Sure, a bit better a day or two later when flavor bonds are all done, but you can make good/great juices immediately this way, and not take days and weeks to see if it's your cup or tea, so to speak. Just sayin'....

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Speaking of Vanilla, ya'll, try this mix:

Vanilla Swirl - 4%
Vanilla Bourbon - 2%
French Vanilla - 4%
Bavarian Cream - 3% OR
French Vanilla Cream - 3% OR Both!!
Vanillin - 3%
Cotton Candy - 2%
Sweetener - 2%

That's 20% - 30% Vanilla! You can add dulce de leche at 2% and Vanilla Bean at 4% to give it that thick vanilla milkshake flavor. Adjust and sweeten to taste. Yes, Ren, we need our vanillas!