The future of vaping?

[mishakal]

I had a couple friends laugh at me when I told them I was going to start vaping. They said they had tried and they sucked, they all used cig alikes. Then after I got my Ego and Vivi nova let them try and there like "Whoa the one I tried was nothing like this" I laugh at them now and tell em they should of did there homework.

Now I am saving up for a Provari

 

[vsummer1]

Lol... we do have a lot of passionate folks here don't we?

In truth I really don't see anything wrong with standardization. We all have to think of the big picture. As the market is now with the only apparent standard being the 510 (which has a form factor that will be off putting to most new comers that are already being stretched to accept e-cigs talk-less of accepting a bigger form factor) i think its safe to say the vaping is still in the hobbyist and early adopter realm.

I don't see that market ever going away. those of us that want to take pride in our ihybrids or provaris can always do that, same way how those analogers that wanna take pride in a $300 cigar can do that too. But for vaping to become mainstream, to really be an everyone thing; it has to be made easy to the point where someone shouldnt have to come to a forum to find out what works and doesnt. And its that simple.

It has to get to a point where the average vaper shouldn't have to worry about battery threads, resistance, volts....etc. They should literally be able to just walk into a store, pick up a pack of cartos and screw that onto their "generic" batteries. As it stands cartos from some brands are good for about 75-150 puffs. They should standardize that s*** so everyone knows what they are getting from any carto regardless of brand.

I don't see how this will affect the hobbyist in any way, but can see how much better this will be for every other smoker out there.

Umm, I don't think you really understand what 510 is. When you have a "thing" that screws onto a battery, the "thing" has threads. Those threads are 510 threading. Any 510 threading, including the Blu cartridge, will fit on any 510 threaded battery. I can use Blu cartos on each and every one of my PV's because they are standardized with 510 threading for example. Even my big old AGA-T is 510 threaded, but to put that on a Blu battery (if I still had one) would only be hilarious. But nothing gives better flavor than good old mesh and a coil put into something 510 threaded on an IMR battery.

 

[Lorddeff07]

Im going to assume by your join date and number of posts that youre new to all of this and take it easy on you.

Most new vapers come to a forum like this for a couple of reasons but the main one is because they are looking for something better than what they picked up in a gas station or convenience store.

The vast majority of come in here saying they want something that looks and feels like a cigarette but end up changing their minds once they realize that they cant get what they need in that small of a form factor.The technology doesnt exist yet and it might not 10 years from now either.

Mods and APV are the future and the reason why your comment was insulting is because it discounts all the hard work and progress thats been made (mainly by fellow vapers on THIS forum) in those areas in favor of YOUR preference for a cig-alike.

You have things a little backwards in regards to vaping. The people on this forum are the mainstream of vaping. Most of those buying cig-alikes try em once or twice, end up dissatisfied and throw em into a drawer somewhere and forget about em.

Hey, take it easy on him... I am new here too but this isn't about that. It also doesn't mean he like yourself isnt making some good points. But to adress some of the things you said.

The ppl here are not the mainstream. We are the enthusiast, the hardcore.... rightfully so cause we tried or put in more of an effort to get exactly what we want. Even in some cases, if it means making it ourselves. The mainstream just want to walk into their gas station, best buy or where ever and buy something knowing it will work with that battery they have in their pocket. They want buy batteries cause it has a cool blue light on it and is not much longer than a standard analog and just screw something on it and smoke it. They don't want to know that that thing is called a cartomizer. That is the mainstream, they just want things to work and be cheap and affordable.

As for mods, there is no reason why both camps can't coexist. I mean such symmetry exists everywhere else doesn't it? There are $20k cars and there are $200k cars. Both have the same basic function. Then there are $5 analogs for 20 sticks and then there are $500 cigars. Both have the same basic function. I hope you get my point.

As for the tech, a looooot can happen in one year and more in ten 10 years. A LOT. With standardized e-cigs the business model will be different obviously. Manufacturers will expect you to have your batteries (Think your lighter). And along those lines imagine a zippo battery..... so basically all you or anyone will have to do is buy a pack of cartomizers as opposed to a pack of analogs. I don't see why this could be a problem in ten years and how this puts the mod community at risk.

I started looking at e-cigs simply cause I saw a blu commercial on tv. I did some research and found apollo. I went through the gamut of their products. I also wanted something that looked like normal cigs but as you said, realized what was on offer though adequate... wasn't convenient for me. I had the money to spend so i started looking at their other options. I eventually ended up with an eGo kit. There are obviously ppl like me and maybe you (us) out there. But believe me when I say we are the minority.

 

[308hjute]

How is having something cigarette sized that performs similar to the bigger devices you have going to make it any less better though?

Social acceptance / assurance? As I said earlier, the obvious form factor difference between my Twist / Vivi Nova goes a long way towards assuring people that what I am doing is not "smoking". If the device I am using was similar to a cigarette in looks or size, that assurance is much harder to achieve.

My 2 cents worth.

 

[Leal]

How is having something cigarette sized that performs similar to the bigger devices you have going to make it any less better though?

Unfortunately there is no such animal yet. The technology hasn't gotten that far. I totally agree with the fact that we are much indebted to the hobbiest out there that are looking to improve the vaping experience. Everyone that tinkers and builds thank you. I am in awe because I do not possess such skills. Some of what to your eyes may look like ugly big mods are in fact quite beautiful craftsmanship such as provari, gg, zenesis.

 

[vsummer1]

Please, everyone new here, READ WHAT A 510 THREADED THING IS. You CAN go into a store and BUY A CARTO that is 510 threaded. If I was in a pinch, I could buy a Blu carto and put it on my PV. I can buy Blu carto's at any walgreens and I hear they are making a huge push to put them in gas stations as well.

 

[308hjute]

And another not so minor thing (at least while pv's are relatively new). How many current smokers would initiate a conversation with you to find out what the alternative is if you have a device that looks exactly like a cigarette? The more different the device looks, the better the chance of having that conversation and converting someone who would otherwise not have known there is an alternative.

 

[Erncig]

Social acceptance / assurance? As I said earlier, the obvious form factor difference between my Twist / Vivi Nova goes a long way towards assuring people that what I am doing is not "smoking". If the device I am using was similar to a cigarette in looks or size, that assurance is much harder to achieve.

My 2 cents worth.

Are you perhaps ashamed/insecure about being seen as a smoker? I'm not.

I'd rather people thing I'm smoking than some weirdo/druggie with some big looking device.

There is no reason why you can't have both worlds.

A mini ecig that looks exactly like a cigarette and others that are the same size/weight but have a blue light or something else that makes it not look like a real cigarette.

This is about advancing technology, making vaping as simple as can be and giving the masses what they want.

 

[Lorddeff07]

Umm, I don't think you really understand what 510 is. When you have a "thing" that screws onto a battery, the "thing" has threads. Those threads are 510 threading. Any 510 threading, including the Blu cartridge, will fit on any 510 threaded battery. I can use Blu cartos on each and every one of my PV's because they are standardized with 510 threading for example. Even my big old AGA-T is 510 threaded, but to put that on a Blu battery (if I still had one) would only be hilarious. But nothing gives better flavor than good old mesh and a coil put into something 510 threaded on an IMR battery.

I know what 510 is, and better now thanks to your explanation. But I am talking about standardization. especially in the cig-alike category. I am not here saying thats what I want... as is I am considering buying a ihybrid kit and i havent even received my apollo eGo
ce4 yet which is my first ever vaper. But I know not all are like me, and that analog smokers in general will usually always start of with something that feels familiar. Is it wrong to wish that something was a lot better than whats in the market right now without requiring people to come to forums?

 

[Leal]

And another not so minor thing (at least while pv's are relatively new). How many current smokers would initiate a conversation with you to find out what the alternative is if you have a device that looks exactly like a cigarette? The more different the device looks, the better the chance of having that conversation and converting someone who would otherwise not have known there is an alternative.

Interesting point. My dad was completely not interested in trying to switch to ecig when I showed him my cig alike. Even with repeated attempts. But he took to the ego right away and is happily vaping. Which may go to show sometimes people do want a different form than cigs. Honestly, I don't care what it looks like as long as it dependably works.

 

[TheDarthVap3r]

Are you perhaps ashamed/insecure about being seen as a smoker? I'm not.

I'd rather people thing I'm smoking than some weirdo/druggie with some big looking device.

well it seems you have a social need to look like a smoker. vaping not trendy enough for you ?

and im sorry but ...? you think because we choose performance we now look like "weirdo/druggies"

think you should stick to your little trendy circle of smokers my friend.

starting off in forums by insulting the mods people make and infact those we choose to purchase .

 

[zapped]

Hey, take it easy on him... I am new here too but this isn't about that. It also doesn't mean he like yourself isnt making some good points. But to adress some of the things you said.

The ppl here are not the mainstream. We are the enthusiast, the hardcore.... rightfully so cause we tried or put in more of an effort to get exactly what we want. Even in some cases, if it means making it ourselves. The mainstream just want to walk into their gas station, best buy or where ever and buy something knowing it will work with that battery they have in their pocket. They want buy batteries cause it has a cool blue light on it and is not much longer than a standard analog and just screw something on it and smoke it. They don't want to know that that thing is called a cartomizer. That is the mainstream, they just want things to work and be cheap and affordable.

As for mods, there is no reason why both camps can't coexist. I mean such symmetry exists everywhere else doesn't it? There are $20k cars and there are $200k cars. Both have the same basic function. Then there are $5 analogs for 20 sticks and then there are $500 cigars. Both have the same basic function. I hope you get my point.

As for the tech, a looooot can happen in one year and more in ten 10 years. A LOT. With standardized e-cigs the business model will be different obviously. Manufacturers will expect you to have your batteries (Think your lighter). And along those lines imagine a zippo battery..... so basically all you or anyone will have to do is buy a pack of cartomizers as opposed to a pack of analogs. I don't see why this could be a problem in ten years and how this puts the mod community at risk.

I started looking at e-cigs simply cause I saw a blu commercial on tv. I did some research and found apollo. I went through the gamut of their products. I also wanted something that looked like normal cigs but as you said, realized what was on offer though adequate... wasn't convenient for me. I had the money to spend so i started looking at their other options. I eventually ended up with an eGo kit. There are obviously ppl like me and maybe you (us) out there. But believe me when I say we are the minority.

I dont where to start here. Id suggest that both of you guys take a look around and read as many threads and absorb as much information as you possibly can on the subject before making comments that arent true. Im not saying this to be mean Im saving this to save you some embarrassment in the future.

There isnt a company producing electronic cigarettes anywhere in the world that has cartidges that hold between 75-150 puffs of e-liquid. Im not even sure if my tanks hold that much to be honest.Its a lie that unfortunately youre still inexperienced enough to believe.

The good news is if you want to learn and experience all that vaping has to offer youre in the right place. You just need to get rid of some of those preconceived notions you have and read, read, read everything you can.

Will be interesting to talk to you in 6 months and see how far youve come and how much your opinions have changed

 

[308hjute]

Are you perhaps ashamed/insecure about being seen as a smoker? I'm not.

I'd rather people thing I'm smoking than some weirdo/druggie with some big looking device.

There is no reason why you can't have both worlds.

A mini ecig that looks exactly like a cigarette and others that are the same size/weight but have a blue light or something else that makes it not look like a real cigarette.

This is about advancing technology, making vaping as simple as can be and giving the masses what they want.

No mate, not ashamed or insecure at all. Smoked for 20 odd years, so was second nature. What I am trying to say is that it is easier for me to sit in a pub with my eGo/Nova and vape, then easily assure anyone who asks that I am not smoking, than it would be with a device that looks like a cigarette.

Granted, in ten years time that argument may be obsolete. Look how far batteries and atomisers have come in the last year or so.

But, society in general still need to come to terms with the fact that there is something happening that, upon first glance, looks like smoking, but isn't. Having devices that perform well, that don't look like tobacco cigarettes surely makes that easier to achieve?

Kev

 

[Erncig]

well it seems you have a social need to look like a smoker. vaping not trendy enough for you ?

and im sorry but ...? you think because we choose performance we now look like "weirdo/druggies"

think you should stick to your little trendy circle of smokers my friend.

starting off in forums by insulting the mods people make and infact those we choose to purchase . frankly you deserve to have all the chemicals smoking offers .

Wow and you call me offensive?

Grow up and stop getting offended about a piece of plastic.

It's not about being "trendy" I speak for most young adults and teens.

I never insulted anyone personally ....., I said I'm not comfortable and don't like using a large heavy device....yeah I deserve to die because of that

 

[Lorddeff07]

And another not so minor thing (at least while pv's are relatively new). How many current smokers would initiate a conversation with you to find out what the alternative is if you have a device that looks exactly like a cigarette? The more different the device looks, the better the chance of having that conversation and converting someone who would otherwise not have known there is an alternative.

Not quite, a black cig looking thing that doesn't smell and has a blu light is as different as it really needs to be to initiate conversation from smokers. And if they sample what you are smoking, and like its flavor, feel a TH, they would ta least want to try it for themselves.

Some here seem to be taking this us against them stance, always a problem with enthusiast... there is nothing wrong with mods... just last night a spent 3 hrs drooling over peoples set ups. But that deosnt mean thats what everyone wants. It also doesnt mean that the cig-alikes is also what everyone wants. But this much is certain, if i had something that was the same size of a cig, performed as well as my incoming eGo, and had all the benefits of vaping... does that make me any less of a vaper than you or anyone else on this forum?

 

[zapped]

Are you perhaps ashamed/insecure about being seen as a smoker? I'm not.

I'd rather people thing I'm smoking than some weirdo/druggie with some big looking device.

There is no reason why you can't have both worlds.




A mini ecig that looks exactly like a cigarette and others that are the same size/weight but have a blue light or something else that makes it not look like a real cigarette.

This is about advancing technology, making vaping as simple as can be and giving the masses what they want.

Just like I told your friend, will be interesting to see how much your opinions change in 6 months time after you become more knowledgeable about vaping. Until then read everything you can on these forums....comment less....read more and then go read some more after that. You'll be glad you did.

 

[ThetaReactor]

How is having something cigarette sized that performs similar to the bigger devices you have going to make it any less better though?

It won't. If we can figure out how to produce an excellent vape from a cig-sized device, then the big vortex-spewing lightsaber mods will become even more mind-blowingly awesome. There's plenty of room for both the users that simply want to replace cigarettes and those who see vaping as its own pursuit.

 

[TheDarthVap3r]

Wow and you call me offensive?

Grow up and stop getting offended about a piece of plastic.

It's not about being "trendy" I speak for most young adults and teens.

I never insulted anyone personally ....., I said I'm not comfortable and don't like using a large heavy device....yeah I deserve to die because of that

yeh your clearly the voice of a generation.. ill stick to looking like a " weirdo/druggy "

 

[308hjute]

Not quite, a black cig looking thing that doesn't smell and has a blu light is as different as it really needs to be to initiate conversation from smokers. And if they sample what you are smoking, and like its flavor, feel a TH, they would ta least want to try it for themselves.

Some here seem to be taking this us against them stance, always a problem with enthusiast... there is nothing wrong with mods... just last night a spent 3 hrs drooling over peoples set ups. But that deosnt mean thats what everyone wants. It also doesnt mean that the cig-alikes is also what everyone wants. But this much is certain, if i had something that was the same size of a cig, performed as well as my incoming eGo, and had all the benefits of vaping... does that make me any less of a vaper than you or anyone else on this forum?

Agreed, hence why I said "looks exactly like a cigarette?". I still think though, the more visual difference between your device and a cigarette, at the moment, the greater the advantage.

 

[Lorddeff07]

I dont where to start here. Id suggest that both of you guys take a look around and read as many threads and absorb as much information as you possibly can on the subject before making comments that arent true. Im not saying this to be mean Im saving this to save you some embarrassment in the future.

There isnt a company producing electronic cigarettes anywhere in the world that has cartidges that hold between 75-150 puffs of e-liquid. Im not even sure if my tanks hold that much to be honest.Its a lie that unfortunately youre still inexperienced enough to believe.

The good news is if you want to learn and experience all that vaping has to offer youre in the right place. You just need to get rid of some of those preconceived notions you have and read, read, read everything you can.

Will be interesting to talk to you in 6 months and see how far youve come and how much your opinions have changed

sigh.....

ok...so i made a mistake with the 75 puffs thingy. But pls, the title of this thread is in 10 years and I was just trying to make a point!!! but you know what, I started this discussion to basically share opinions and see where the general mindset of ppl lay with the future of this thing I just started. Thats what ppl are supposed to do on forums, discuss and share opinions. I am not arguing with what I dont know and am willing to take correction.

But this has taken a somewhat ugly turn. And you are even beginning to single out ppl that don't COMPLETELY agree with what you are saying?

Fine then, lets see if six month will make me think that technology can improve in ten years and that vaping will be easier to get to if it was in a more accessible and familiar form factor.

and sorry, when last did you buy a cartomizer, you the know that the cartomizers that come with the Apollo standard kit (cig-alike) is rated to offer 300 puffs which is equivalent to 1 pack or analogs? The only reason I didnt go with that was cause refillable cartomizers can only be filled 5-7 times before requiring replacement which is why i went with a tank system cause there isnt a place for me to just walk into and buy new cartos where i stay. Now even if that is a bull.... number on their site, those cartos will at least offer 100 puffs. Which is why i said 75-150 puffs.

you simply shouldn't take this kinda stance when having discussion with ppl, its arrogant to say the least and you shouldn't just assume that cause others think different? they have no idea what they are talking about.