The future of vaping?

[Pav]

For some reason the big mods of today remind of when cel phones used to be like this.

Sure they used to get the job done, but when this came along who still wanted those bricks?

 

[trishdadish]

no doubt, wee have so much great choice right now, will we lose our great niche suppliers because off big business players killing then off. I can't imagine the technology getting much better on the hardware side, but the juice supply could be greatly improved. imagine when the flavour on the bottle is exactly how it tastes? wouldn't that be a great day?

 

[trishdadish]

Oh, you mean like Blu and other gas station cigalike disposables? "200-300 puffs" my hairy fundament!

if I had started n those I probably wouldn't have kept with it. I luckily had a vaper store nearby, and even though it sucked caca, I might have given up if my only option had been online ordering. ...I really owe a debt of gratitude to my new store, they have nurtured, educated and completely indulged my habit...

 

[Lorddeff07]

no doubt, wee have so much great choice right now, will we lose our great niche suppliers because off big business players killing then off. I can't imagine the technology getting much better on the hardware side, but the juice supply could be greatly improved. imagine when the flavour on the bottle is exactly how it tastes? wouldn't that be a great day?

Then you better start imagining my friend, I don't see the juices being too much of a problem, those will naturally get better and better. The hardware though, is definately going to naturally get better. Even if they don't want to, the time will come when at the current sizes batteries will last 3-5 times longer, at that point a trade off will be made. make the batteries smaller and still give double the longevity vapers are currently used to then make the tanks bigger. Or the entire units will become smaller. Improvements in wicks or cart mesh tech.

I'm a tech guy at heart, and can already list at least 4 developing techs that will benefit vaping, like something else i read a while back, though not designed for vaping but I could see it application especially when we have the batteries to make it practical. Its a way of using a magnetic field via a coil around a cylinder (think our tanks) to constantly push a fluid in the cylinder in a particular direction. This will make cartomizers and tank wicks obsolete overnight. As the field around the tank in the e-cig will always make sure our vuices is always pushed to the atty. Beautiful thing tech is.

 

[Michael James]

I see the future going back to the cigarette look, but better, science is working fast, as they get closer to nano batteries I can see a batt like the blu reg lasting weeks, among other tech being worked on. and I'm sure juices and delivery will advance, probably slower burning juices that last longer, and new ways to deliver it, like maybe the carto with ss mesh type delivery. that example doesn't make sense, but I just see things getting a lot more efficient in smaller systems.

 

[Theken]

I see the future going back to the cigarette look, but better, science is working fast, as they get closer to nano batteries I can see a batt like the blu reg lasting weeks, among other tech being worked on. and I'm sure juices and delivery will advance, probably slower burning juices that last longer, and new ways to deliver it, like maybe the carto with ss mesh type delivery. that example doesn't make sense, but I just see things getting a lot more efficient in smaller systems.

If cigarette size can pack the wallop of my 18650 without the taste of burning silica, I am game but I seriously doubt it. I think they will look different all together, perhaps like iPods or iPhones with the ability to recharge directly from your phone. I make a point to buy up any stock for companies who deal with vaping and e-cigarettes because I feel they will control this industry in the VERY near future. First comes the prohibition then comes legalization (and taxation).

Edit: Oh yeah, I believe that porous ceramic wicks will soon be what is hot.

 

[Magnetbox001]

i went on a little rant about the future of vaping before reading all of the previous statements....so, statement decline

 

[ageispolis]

I gotta admit I didn't read the previous 19 pages of replies, but the last people on earth I'd want to depend on ecigs from are the big tobacco companies. I'd either tough it out and quit, or start looking into DIY e-liquids.

I think they will look different all together, perhaps like iPods or iPhones with the ability to recharge directly from your phone.

I did smile a little at the idea of Apple getting into the vaping business.. Coming soon - the iCig 5..

Seriously though, I just feel like I'd trust smaller vendors more. If not, well, back to the DIY e-liquid idea.

 

[Blurgas]

His mission is create an ecig where the user can't tell the difference between an ecig and a real one.

That's an issue for me. While the prospect of a high-quality ecig that's in the same general size of a real cig isn't an issue, I do not want the taste of a real cig.
It's why I switched to ecigs in the first place, to get away from the tobacco flavor/smell

 

[ukeman]

There's so many categories of gear right now, different types of vapers too, so its hard to predict.
You have some who are satisfied to stick with good old convenience even if it isn't the most advanced gear.
You have diy'ers who participate in the functional parts of advanced gear; they are innovators too.
Advanced gear can be ridiculously complicated...

I'd like to be on the consumer end of high tech gear, but convenient and easy to use. There's a long way to go.

 

[zapped]

Some of you new guys arent going to want to hear this but Blu, Greensmoke, Apollo none of those guys are the future of vaping. They're the sleazy used car salesmen of vaping. They dont care about you, me or the vaping community.All they care about are their profits and that's not going to change anytime soon.

They sell their products at convenience stores and gas stations on purpose.They want it to be an impulse purchase and could care less if you quit smoking or not. If they did they would offer something better or teach their salesmen not to lie to customers about how you cant refill their cartridges. They dont want you using anyone elses juice thats why they tell you that. Walk up to any one of them with an APV in your hand and start asking questions and you'll soon realize they dont know what theyre talking about. Thats if you dont walk away in disgust at the lies they'll try to tell you first.

The future of vaping is on this forum. Half of the innovations and advances that have been made have been pioneered right here in the modders forums.Chinese suppliers datamine this forum to steal ideas for mods,accessories and anything else they think they can make a profit on.

Theres a small niche market for people who prefer cig-alikes but thats all it is a niche. Spend some time on these forums looking around and reading as much information as you can and you'll see the truth of my words.

You guys are either misguided, misinformed or severely lacking in knowledge when it comes to vaping. Thats the only explanation I can find for some of the ludicrous statements about how everyone wants a cigarette sized pv and how they are the future.

If that was truly the case Id go buy a pack of cigarettes right now.

 

[spainman]

I think the point of this thread is just personal opinions... I can sort of agree with most of the people that have posted, or at least see where they're coming from. Since I started vaping I have no interest in going back to a cig-a-like style pv, BUT I, as well as many others initially had a desire to find something that would simulate smoking as much as possible. If I had found a cig-a-like on par with an eGo, that's what I would've went with. Had those packed the same punch, I bet many of us would still be puffing on em. Technology always moves towards smaller and efficient. It wouldn't surprise me to one day see an all day cig-a-like style battery. Now on the other hand, the more popular vaping gets, the more normal the better pv's will become so perhaps no one will care for cig-a-likes as cigarettes will start to become more and more passe...

idk nevermind I'm sleepy lol...

 

[Erncig]

Some of you new guys arent going to want to hear this but Blu, Greensmoke, Apollo none of those guys are the future of vaping. They're the sleazy used car salesmen of vaping. They dont care about you, me or the vaping community.All they care about are their profits and that's not going to change anytime soon.

They sell their products at convenience stores and gas stations on purpose.They want it to be an impulse purchase and could care less if you quit smoking or not. If they did they would offer something better or teach their salesmen not to lie to customers about how you cant refill their cartridges. They dont want you using anyone elses juice thats why they tell you that. Walk up to any one of them with an APV in your hand and start asking questions and you'll soon realize they dont know what theyre talking about. Thats if you dont walk away in disgust at the lies they'll try to tell you first.

The future of vaping is on this forum. Half of the innovations and advances that have been made have been pioneered right here in the modders forums.Chinese suppliers datamine this forum to steal ideas for mods,accessories and anything else they think they can make a profit on.

Theres a small niche market for people who prefer cig-alikes but thats all it is a niche. Spend some time on these forums looking around and reading as much information as you can and you'll see the truth of my words.

You guys are either misguided, misinformed or severely lacking in knowledge when it comes to vaping. Thats the only explanation I can find for some of the ludicrous statements about how everyone wants a cigarette sized pv and how they are the future.

If that was truly the case Id go buy a pack of cigarettes right now.

Hmm you need to ask yourself why do cigarettes look the way they are?

Because they work very very very well.

Small, light and require a quick draw.

(good performing) Mini ecigs are the future of vaping.

 

[Theken]

Some of you new guys arent going to want to hear this but Blu, Greensmoke, Apollo none of those guys are the future of vaping. They're the sleazy used car salesmen of vaping. They dont care about you, me or the vaping community.All they care about are their profits and that's not going to change anytime soon.

They sell their products at convenience stores and gas stations on purpose.They want it to be an impulse purchase and could care less if you quit smoking or not. If they did they would offer something better or teach their salesmen not to lie to customers about how you cant refill their cartridges. They dont want you using anyone elses juice thats why they tell you that. Walk up to any one of them with an APV in your hand and start asking questions and you'll soon realize they dont know what theyre talking about. Thats if you dont walk away in disgust at the lies they'll try to tell you first.

The future of vaping is on this forum. Half of the innovations and advances that have been made have been pioneered right here in the modders forums.Chinese suppliers datamine this forum to steal ideas for mods,accessories and anything else they think they can make a profit on.

Theres a small niche market for people who prefer cig-alikes but thats all it is a niche. Spend some time on these forums looking around and reading as much information as you can and you'll see the truth of my words.

You guys are either misguided, misinformed or severely lacking in knowledge when it comes to vaping. Thats the only explanation I can find for some of the ludicrous statements about how everyone wants a cigarette sized pv and how they are the future.

If that was truly the case Id go buy a pack of cigarettes right now.

I agree with you fully, not a single person that I meet has ever said (after trying my APV) that they prefer their cigarette styled e-cig. They prefer the low price (up-front) and some doubt the long-term expense of these e-cigs (blu, green nicotine, etc. I would love to see someone who has had experience with a quality APV and a good tank system (genesis or even dcts) that prefers the cigarette styles.

 

[Theken]

Hmm you need to ask yourself why do cigarettes look the way they are?

Because they work very very very well.

Small, light and require a quick draw.

(good performing) Mini ecigs are the future of vaping.

My stock portfolio would love this (Lorillard) if you were right but I hope you are wrong. Cigarettes look the way they do because they are Cigar(ettes) or smaller cigars and they are shaped that way because they need to be for function. I doubt anyone, in the history of mankind, has started smoking because they were enticed by the small cylindrical design. I myself would never go back to analogs and would be even less likely to go back to the "mini ecigs".

 

[Erncig]

I agree with you fully, not a single person that I meet has ever said (after trying my APV) that they prefer their cigarette styled e-cig.

Most people DO prefer cigarette style ecigs, but most of them don't work good enough!

When the tech improves to a good enough point, vaping is going to be massive and the mini ecigs will lead the charge. End of story.

 

[StereoDreamer]

The owners of this forum probably don't want to hear this, but if things go the way the FDA and Big Tobacco/Big Pharma want, the "future of vaping" will mean that nearly EVERYTHING discussed on this forum will be a felony in 10 years. Mods, DIY juice, juice vendors without FDA-approved labs--ALL that stuff will be made illegal, and anyone trying to do it will be prosecuted just like they were running a bootleg distillery or a .... lab.

Wake up, people.

The future of vaping as we know it is under attack by some very greedy, sociopathic, control-freak wack jobs who will say, do or print ANYTHING to make us look bad, and to get the public to believe THEIR position.

They WILL demonize us. They WILL falsify study data. They WILL fabricate evidence. They WILL even go so far as to intentionally sabotage juices, mods and batteries and insert them into the marketplace to make us look like a dangerous threat to the safety of ordinary people. They will maim, injure and even kill to get their way.

We're not dealing with rational people, here folks. We are dealing with sociopaths--people who are mentally disturbed--people who will lie, cheat, and even kill to gain control over our lives. We are dealing with dangerously criminally insane animals who are only masquerading as humans, and who are in high positions of power--financial, scientific and political power. We are dealing with an enemy that isn't merely greedy--they are insane and dangerous like a rabid dog backed into a corner--and they have absolutely no shame or conscience.

We need to know that, and admit it to ourselves, and be willing to deal with the consequences of the battle we are throwing ourselves into.

And unless we start turning out in BIG numbers at EVERY state legislature, city council meeting and FDA hearing to support the current Status Quo of vaping, the "future of vaping" is going to look a lot like the future of Tobacco and Big Pharma--controlled, regulated and monopolized by the people with the money and power--which is NOT us.

The future of vaping is going to be crappy-tasting and crappy-performing cig-a-likes with terrible battery life and rotten performance.

The future of vaping might even require a doctors prescription.

And the added taxes will make it even MORE expensive than cigarettes are now.

So unless we can rally the troops--EVERY person who is using an e-cig, from the lowliest Blu and Finiti user to the most rabid Provari and GG collector--we are looking at one of two choices we will be faced with:

1) settle for the overpriced, over-regulated and under-performing garbage that Big tobacco and Big Pharma are going to give us, or
2) become participants in the "black market"--and essentially become the same as drug dealers in the eyes of the law.

It's not good enough to just call or write your legislators and FDA people. It's time to HOUND them--to let them know--in no uncertain terms that destroying our way of life is simply unacceptable.

It's time--as they said in the movie "Zombieland"--to nut up, or shut up, folks.

At the very least, it's time to join a group like CASAA, and start getting politically ACTIVE...

http://casaa.org/

 

[zapped]

Hmm you need to ask yourself why do cigarettes look the way they are?

Because they work very very very well.

Small, light and require a quick draw.

(good performing) Mini ecigs are the future of vaping.

My Provari is small, light and an even quicker draw than a cigarette (no lighting required)

Have you actually tried anything else other than a cig-alike? If not you dont know what youre missing and thats a shame. Form factor is mostly in your mind.

A small number of people prefer cig-alikes and thats alright, whatever works to get you off of cigarettes.. Whats not is dismissing everything else out of hand based on your own mental roadblock and thinking that you respresent the majority of vapers out there.

 

[Karen N Daytona]

I too have read everything in the newbie info thread, down to how to inhale... but I think you are missing one little point. Like what he and I are generally saying, at least for the parts we agree on, you like him, like most other people here started with the generic minis.

I only got the generic because I did not have knowledge of this forum and the many different available options. If I would have been smart, I would have done my homework first. I might have finally quit smoking and found what worked for me a lot sooner.I finally did quit smoking, but I want to continue learning here and experience different upgraded versions of what I currently have. I never want to stop learning.

 

[wickitiwack]

The 2 biggest tobacco companies are in the market, Lorillard with the Blu and Phillip Morris are in development. I doubt that they can come out with anything decent and will continue with the crappy cig-a-likes.

As for standardization, that would be the 510 connection. And there are many, many great PV's and mods out there that can deliver.

As for just going out and buying something to just screw on them, go to walgreens and buy the Blu cartos if you want to spend a lot of money for barely any juice.

I have to say I totally agree. The hardest part is going to be keeping "big money" tobacco companies from dirtying something so much better and healthier. I f you look at the findings from 2009 that helped to taint the e-cigarette, the poisonous chemicals they barely found were in pre-packaged at a plant like Blu or GreenCig or Cleancig. You have to watch out for Vapor shops too. I currently mix large volumes for a local distributor(I sell the juice wholesale) and to a local shop in OKC, and have tested some local shops juices. One I found to be only half the nicotine content it was claiming, and was cut with too much vodka!, an ingredient I do not use or care to use, since it burns much faster than anything....talk about refilling constantly, and the rest is flavor AND SWEETENER, way too much. Everyone seems to like this place, but thats because it is just like vaping an alcoholic Pixie stick. Do not waste your time on a disposable. The battery life and atomizer taste/life alone is worth just buying an eGo or something else.