The future of vaping?

[SirSteve]

I would rather big tobacco stay out of it. I can see the small form factor catching on if it could deliver any where near what some of the mods do. I can't imagine being stuck having to pay the outrageous prices that big tobacco would charge. One thing vapors have going for them now is that there is a lot of competition, at least online, which helps to keep prices down. I also like the idea that people can make their own ejuice, with all the flavors out there the possibilities for the DIY are almost endless.

 

[Ryedan]

At this point we're at kind of a peak as far as options go, really VW is the latest innovation, really anything new now is mainly cosmetic. I really don't see anything new come out as far as delivery after the ceramic wicks make it into production. Now I think it will start focusing more on streamlining what we have. Smaller devices that pack the same punch as the big mods. Just shrink em down as much as we can with what we have currently. There will still be big mods. But I think size will start to be the focus now.

I could not disagree more MJ. I think there is huge room for improvement in today's e-cig technology and that as the vaping population increases this development will happen. I just hope that political and $$ factions will not stifle it.

 

[Blurgas]

Unfortunately Steve, they're already into e-cigs as Lorillard(NewPorts, OldGold) bought up Blu. It's why you're seeing commercials for the Blu on TV more often.
Thing is the general concensus around here is while the Blu batteries are decent, the carto's and such are drek, so BT is gonna have to step up their game quite a bit to get the approval of most vapers

 

[Kable]

Hmm... the future of vaping. Hard to say, so many variables. Like many here it seems, I often worry that these are the glory days of vaping and that other interests will ruin our slice of heaven.

Are mini ecigs the future of vaping? I sure hope not. That may be a good form factor for some looking to make the switch, but I don't think form factor is or should be that much of a concern for people once they break the habit. Yeah, at first many people want something that seems familiar so the transition is easier (I personally didn't care what the thing looked like when I started, other than I wanted it to be distinguishable from a real cig), but anyone who has been vaping for any length of time will tell you that it's different than smoking. You have so much more control than with smoking.

I certainly hope BT doesn't come in and standardize the market. I don't see that going well for vapers, in either the hardware or the juice market. I like having lots of choices. I would like to see better delivery systems, atomizers that are easier to clean or swap out in tank systems. Batteries will get more efficient and size will be reduced, but I think the cig-a-like form factor is an unnecessary limitation.

I imagine we might see some standards become more prominent, but I hope there are still options in the future. I could imagine a vw device coming into the market, maybe like an ego, that doesn't bother with watts, but instead has a control that goes from cool to warm.

 

[Shofixti]

10 years from now, Apple will release an IVape.

 

[Lorddeff07]

OP, Is it your opinion that this would do GOOD for the industry? Because my personal take on it is that once the big tobacco companies get into the game, they will contaminate the hell out of the eliquid to make it more addicting, just like they did with tobacco, and you'll be smoking arsenic and 4000 other poisons with your ecig. I'd rather not go into a store and buy my eliquid from Marlboro, and get it from independent manufacturers who supply to the hardware makers or directly to the consumer.

LMAO!!!! So true, and also something that concerns me. I don't know what will be good for vaping or not in 10 years. I just know that the tech by then would have developed to the point where the issues we have with vaping today in any form factor will be non existant. Then PVs will be choices simply outta a need for variety or preference and not outta necessity. Then it will become really stupid to smoke analogs when there is such a very very very good viable alternative. Then, the big tobacco will absolutely be unable to just keep ignoring vapers cause vaping would have become the single biggest threat to their bottom line.

They will get their hands into it, no matter what... and the best business model that will work for them is one that will have us buying carts like we buy a pack of analogs. I can see the sense in it from a it will be easier to get into and market perspective, though I dread how much everything will become adulterated and controlled. Catch 22.

If i really want anything, its for the independents here right now to take certain initiatives and differentiate themselves from analogs, distance themselves as much as possible and establish standards that will be shaped by those already vaping and that will be best for vapers. The technology will come, its everything else in between that is the problem. If the independents dont do anything about anything, then big tobacco will, we will start seeing proprietary brand based threads, so you can only use malboro batteries with Marlboro carts and so on..... scary stuff.

However, just to clarify, to say what the OP said about "everyone wanting a mini ecig" is just closed minded and uninformed.

Just my two cents.

I don't recall ever saying "everyone wants mini ecigs" If i did say that I must have been loosing my mind especially considering that my first e-cig purchase isn't even a mini e-cig. I did say that nearly everyone that gets into e-cigs tries out a mini e-cig as their first port of entry into vaping though. And that smokers will naturally gravitate towards the mini ecigs simply outta familiarity.

I agree with everything you have said though and thats basically what I was trying to say too. I am sure i am going to love my eGo ce4. But I would not have got it if the Apollo standard kit with a PCC could perform just as well and had carts that I could reuse more than 6 times. I was just very lucky to have actually done research on e-cigs in general before I pulled the trigger.

At this point we're at kind of a peak as far as options go, really VW is the latest innovation, really anything new now is mainly cosmetic. I really don't see anything new come out as far as delivery after the ceramic wicks make it into production. Now I think it will start focusing more on streamlining what we have. Smaller devices that pack the same punch as the big mods. Just shrink em down as much as we can with what we have currently. There will still be big mods. But I think size will start to be the focus now.

Makes sense, I believe the next breakthroughs will be in battery tech. Everyone and their dog is currently talking about battery development right now. And I said earlier, that when that tech leap in batteries do come, ecigs will definitely start getting smaller and smaller. Especially the battery parts, the tanks may actually become bigger. But I expect the units overall to get smaller. When a Mod makes an ecig unit that fits perfectly in and is no bigger than a clenched fist with enough power to last 2 days and a tank that can hold 6-10ml of juice... most here talking about big mods will see it as the second coming. I know most of that may sound far fetched lol, but I am just trying to make a point. things get better, and in this day and age, that is best shown by things getting smaller.

Are mini ecigs the future of vaping? I sure hope not.

I certainly hope BT doesn't come in and standardize the market.

I imagine we might see some standards become more prominent, but I hope there are still options in the future. I could imagine a vw device coming into the market, maybe like an ego, that doesn't bother with watts, but instead has a control that goes from cool to warm.

I think it will be silly for anyone here to not accept BT won't come into this sooner or later. And they are already making inroads into it already. Vaping poses the single biggest threat to BT they have or will ever have faced. Its kinda like how the thought of batteries that can last 10 times than what current batteries last now are the single biggest concern of oil companies. The BT will come, and unfortunately, the mini ecig form factor is not only the easiest form factor to mass produce, its also the easiest to market.

I believe the Mods and bigger ecigs will always be there though, cause when you think of it they cant really stop people from making and selling PVs. Where they can mess thinsg up though can be with the juices. Bt can make it such that for you to get e-juice certification you will have to pay a fortune that they know no one but them can pay. So at some point, we can buy all our provari, ihybrids or eGos, but the only legal place to get juices will be from the BT.

Nice take on the watts thingy, that is definitely one of the ways i see tech and general mass appeal influencing ecigs in the future. Let the machine figure out the volts and watts. Just tell me cool or warm and i'll be happy.

 

[zapped]

I think people should be less worried about "their" vision of the future and worry more about this deeming legislation that the FDA is trying to push through in 3 months.

The ramifications of that are going to have a direct impact on every single facet of vaping and if we dont come out in force theyre not looking positive.

Whether I agree with some of the statements made in this thread or not.I urge everyone, new vaper as well as veteran to submit your comments to the F.D.A and see what you can do to help with this issue.

 

[lulu836]

Totally agree, zapped. If everyone doesn't voice their opinions about the FDA taking over the ecig industry it will disappear or become extremely expensive or the entire industry is going to be outlawed. While many vapers are commenting on whose battery is bigger and badder or whose ejuice is tasty of terrible the FDA is in the process of making dam* sure we don't get to continue to vape at all. Link

 

[Thompson]

Agreed on the two posts above.

Subbed mine a week or so ago.

Kinda nice to sit down and write out exactly how ecigs have helped me & what precisely I am against the potential FDA rulings.

Faxed in on the Mojo Wire

 

[FloridaNoob]

You are reading what you want to in a tunnel vision state.

I said all smokers want a mini ecig.

The issue is you and many others here just cannot expand your minds enough to ever concieve a mini ecig functioning as well as the real thing.

I can.
Big tobbacco can too.
Everything points to them going down that direction.
Yet I'm wrong?

I think it is not a matter of people here not imagining it happening. I think it is a matter of you assuming it will happen, to some extent. I say that because as far and fast as PV have come, the cig-a-likes are still just mass produced POS. You notice nothing has changed at Blu now that BT has taken over, other than they are advertizing.

I think part of my problem is that you, a single individual, say you know what the mainstream wants, yet everyone else on here is out of touch and doesn't know what the mainstream wants.

Let's play devils advocate and say that you are correct that most of the members here are hobbiest and not mainstream.

There are 1.8 billion smokers world wide, roughly 69% want to quit, making that around 1.25 billion. There are 2.5 million vapors. There are 114k members on ECF, which is roughly .1% the amt of the smoking community that wants to quit and 5% of the vaping community. So let's assume to extrapulate and say that just 5% of ECF members are the mainstream and the rest are hobby users. That still means that there are roughly 5700 members on ECF that ARE the mainstream AND disagree with you about wanting a cig-alike, or expecting them to improve.

I will happily eat my facts above that disprove your opinion about what is actually the wants of the mainstream if you can supply me with 5 other currently active ECF members that agree with your opinion.

You see most people only start with those because that is all they find, a large portion then go back to smoking because they don't know something out there is better. BT isn't going to improve on what they have unless it is to copy from other PV manufacturers and it is as cheap or cheaper then their current expense to manufacture. They will instead do what they have not been able to do and that is spend money, like the are now, on advertising PV devices. BT has not done anything in over 50 years to improve cigs. They have just improved addiction. I believe with the FDA already over their heads they won't mess with the simple process of pv/vg/nic/flavor. They will just offer different doses of nic like everyone else to be full flavor/medium/light/ultra lights.

I would actually also say that I think in time even BT will get away from offering cig-a-like pv devices and go with other slim style carto 510 styles that would fit to your liking of something small and descreate. But would also look nothing like a cig. That way they can get away from the stigma that smoking already has about it.

Lastly, we can get our minds around that there will be small pv devices. Just the fact is most people who venture into vaping will eventually want to expand into better things. Will it be all of them? No. Will it be a large percentage? Well that depends on if they are going to be an educated consumer. I would suspect that with vaping being electronic/tech, more new users will look to see what is available, just like we do with all our other electronic devices. Those that do will expand into having more freedom of choice and high capacity. Those that act like cattle and just take what is given to them will either be *satsified* but not happy, or will go back to smoking.

 

[Vinnie_Twist]

i am not a fan of look alikes i love the big ugly mods that hit like a train and give me massive pillows of clouds.. thats just me.. EVIC is the first of what is yet to come . and it performs really good.

 

[Lorddeff07]

i am not a fan of look alikes i love the big ugly mods that hit like a train and give me massive pillows of clouds.. thats just me.. EVIC is the first of what is yet to come . and it performs really good.

Yeah the evic looked really good. watched a couple of vids on it today. I also looked at the eRoll, that looks really good too even the eCab also from joyetech. i like what i have seen.

PS.

On the FDA thing, subbed. For what little good it will do considering I dont live in the states.

 

[evolutionx]

I found a cool article regarding Big Tobacco and the future of the industry in this authors opinion...good read...Does big tobacco want to stop electronic cigarettes?

 

[Blurgas]

I found a cool article regarding Big Tobacco and the future of the industry in this authors opinion...good read...Does big tobacco want to stop electronic cigarettes?

Well, it's obvious BT wants us to vape, but I'd bet a lot of money that they'd rather we vape on their terms and prices than our current ability to buy cheap and from a multitude of places.
I should also note that I have not read the article you linked. My monitor is on its death bed which makes reading on it a bit difficult

 

[Lorddeff07]

Well, it's obvious BT wants us to vape, but I'd bet a lot of money that they'd rather we vape on their terms and prices than our current ability to buy cheap and from a multitude of places.
I should also note that I have not read the article you linked. My monitor is on its death bed which makes reading on it a bit difficult

Great article.... BT definitely would want us vaping on their terms. But the truth of the matter is that they can't do anything about the mods or any manufacturer making quality apparatus... most they would do is buy them off. However, what they definitely will do is control the sale and distribution of e-liquids. I have a strong feeling that with the legs the definitely have in the FDA and similar associations worldwide, they will see to it that "uncertified" e-liquids become illegal for sale or distribution. An e-liquid license would basically be made to cost a fortune. If they are the only ones providing the e-liquids, they will care less what you choose to vape on. And they will make those e-liquids a lot more expensive than what we pay now.

 

[Thompson]

They will definitely dominate the 'stepping-stone' cig-a-likes. So easy for somebody to pick one up at a local retailer. I'm willing to bet a very large percentage of people joining the vaping world will have started with a Blu or NJoy. They've got very little competition in that field best I can tell (only other one I can think of is Krave @ Rite-Aid).

What I'm going to find interesting is how they are going to attempt to keep these customers instead of losing them to the 'real world of vaping.' Once you discover your not tethered to 300mah batteries and their charger, and all the available delivery systems, its just so much better. BT is gonna have a fight there. I don't see them breaking into APVs, probably nothing ever bigger than an eGo (if they even get that far).

This is all assuming that the FDA won't take any action at all. I myself just don't see them sitting back & watching. At the same time I'm not stocking up on supplies as if the world is coming to an end, either.

 

[Lorddeff07]

They will definitely dominate the 'stepping-stone' cig-a-likes. So easy for somebody to pick one up at a local retailer. I'm willing to bet a very large percentage of people joining the vaping world will have started with a Blu or NJoy. They've got very little competition in that field best I can tell (only other one I can think of is Krave @ Rite-Aid).

What I'm going to find interesting is how they are going to attempt to keep these customers instead of losing them to the 'real world of vaping.' Once you discover your not tethered to 300mah batteries and their charger, and all the available delivery systems, its just so much better. BT is gonna have a fight there. I don't see them breaking into APVs, probably nothing ever bigger than an eGo (if they even get that far).

This is all assuming that the FDA won't take any action at all. I myself just don't see them sitting back & watching. At the same time I'm not stocking up on supplies as if the world is coming to an end, either.

Today I saw for the first time the Joyetech eRoll. Its an e-cig mini (cig-alike) ridiculously well crafted and easy to setup and use. Everything about it is very well built and it uses a tank system as opposed to a cart. Better yet it actually comes with a number or spare atomizer heads and its just 93mm long.

seeing that, it had the ideal BT e-cig written all over it. It had only a 90mah battery but a 1000mah PCC. I see that as what will be the go to configuration for BT. So you are right on the money with your theory that that is probably the market BT will try and corner. As for the e-liquids, I actually see BT selling packs of 5 1ml tanks and an atomizer for around $7-$10 per pack. the sad thing is that in 5-10 years, a similarly sized set-up will have a battery that lasts 3 times as long and such a set up will be very easy for beginners to get into and if they perform as well as what I watched, then chances are they may never see the need to upgrade. And that is what BT will be banking on.

 

[Blurgas]

Great article.... BT definitely would want us vaping on their terms. But the truth of the matter is that they can't do anything about the mods or any manufacturer making quality apparatus... most they would do is buy them off. However, what they definitely will do is control the sale and distribution of e-liquids. I have a strong feeling that with the legs the definitely have in the FDA and similar associations worldwide, they will see to it that "uncertified" e-liquids become illegal for sale or distribution. An e-liquid license would basically be made to cost a fortune. If they are the only ones providing the e-liquids, they will care less what you choose to vape on. And they will make those e-liquids a lot more expensive than what we pay now.

That's a good point. If BT was/will be/is bent on dominating the e-cig market, they'll have to do it through regulation of e-liquids
Though if e-liquids do become a regulated item requiring a license to sell, it will probably just remove smaller vendors from the market as larger vendors will be able to foot the bill for a license and everything involved in it

As for BT going the direction of mini's like the eRoll, I think it's unlikely. The system in the Blu/NJOY seems like it would be much easier and/or cheaper to manufacture than the eRoll. Also, while the eRoll is a neat bit of tech for the cigalike area, it takes a little more tinkering/thought than the "screw carto onto battery, then vape" style of Blu.
I wouldn't complain if BT put out stuff like the eRoll, it just appears unlikely to me.

One thing that came to mind a moment ago was look at cell phones over the years. Specifically look at the iPhone vs Android. iOS is "easy" to use, not much you have to screw with, and everybody builds for iPhone. Android phones can still be easy to use, but are more into the tinkerer's realm in regards to accessibility to the inner workings.

Eh, enough rambling, basically e-liquid is probably what's going to change the most over the next decade as I expect there will always be a demand for APV parts/equipment

 

[Ryedan]

I found a cool article regarding Big Tobacco and the future of the industry in this authors opinion...good read...Does big tobacco want to stop electronic cigarettes?

Thanks for the article evolutionx. Great read. I disagree with a bunch of his assumptions, but he has some very valid thoughts too!

 

[Lorddeff07]

As for BT going the direction of mini's like the eRoll, I think it's unlikely. The system in the Blu/NJOY seems like it would be much easier and/or cheaper to manufacture than the eRoll. Also, while the eRoll is a neat bit of tech for the cigalike area, it takes a little more tinkering/thought than the "screw carto onto battery, then vape" style of Blu.
I wouldn't complain if BT put out stuff like the eRoll, it just appears unlikely to me.

You have a good point there, then again it depends on how we look at it. If something like the eRoll design is standardized, all BT has to do is sell you a pack of 5x1ml tanks and even throw in an atomizer head. Thats basically 5 plastic tanks with a juice in it and an atomizer head that will probably cost less than 25c to make. If you also look at the eRoll design, nothing needs to be screwed on.

Then we have the blu design with the cartomizer thats screwed onto a battery.

both designs are actually simple, I just feel that it may actually be cheaper, faster and more straight forward mass producing plastic tanks with a juice in it than a carto (mesh/atomizer combined) with threads to screw onto something else. Besides, i am also gonna assume that it takes less time squirting e-juice into a plastic tank than into a carto(mesh resistance) and as we know, these guys will always go for the cheapest and fastest way to mass production. In the grand sceme of things, a 0.5sec difference in an overall manufacturing process when looking at 100s of millions of tank carts or cartos could mean billions in in revenue lost lol.