The "JBox" Issue
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One more to the list. Ordered on Sept 20.
Asked for a refund already and still have not received any response.
There is no excuse that he can give in not communicating with us on what's happening.
Asked for a refund already and still have not received any response.
There is no excuse that he can give in not communicating with us on what's happening.
The business Jbox LLC is registered to Jason Boyse in Gilbert AZ which is in Maricopa County. There is a County Court record of a judgement against Jason E Boyse in Maricopa County Court in the amount of $14,273.44 to the plaintiff Arizona Federal Credit Union dated 12/6/2012. That court record is here:
http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.g...rchResults.asp?LastName=Boyse&FirstName=Jason
click the last line, case: CV2012-095649
The information for Jboxshop LLC is here:
Ariz. Corp. Comm. -- Corporations Division
Could be two different people with the same name living in the same county.
Or, it could be your money went to pay this judgement.
http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.g...rchResults.asp?LastName=Boyse&FirstName=Jason
click the last line, case: CV2012-095649
The information for Jboxshop LLC is here:
Ariz. Corp. Comm. -- Corporations Division
Could be two different people with the same name living in the same county.
Or, it could be your money went to pay this judgement.
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It is a civil judgement to a bank. The other cases on the list are probably all the same issue if you want to try to speculate the detales. There is no trial transcript on that page.
I assume he took out a loan and the credit company took him to court.
It's alsopossible that it is the same Jason and he lost in court and the reason that nobody got their JBox is because of a manufacturing delay.
Without communication from Jason Boyse I would tend to assume the worse and have everybody contact both their local AG and Arizona AG.
And I'd boycott the Vape Team because they were zero help.
I'm done with this issue. You do whatever you will.
I assume he took out a loan and the credit company took him to court.
It's alsopossible that it is the same Jason and he lost in court and the reason that nobody got their JBox is because of a manufacturing delay.
Without communication from Jason Boyse I would tend to assume the worse and have everybody contact both their local AG and Arizona AG.
And I'd boycott the Vape Team because they were zero help.
I'm done with this issue. You do whatever you will.
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One other thing that;s interesting that I hadn't noticed. I know I said I was done, but....
It was a default judgement.
He didn't show up for court.
It was a default judgement.
He didn't show up for court.
Default judgement is pretty common. Most have one or two. The judgement sounds like a car note, hes a single father, so my guess, its related to a divorce. Could have been his ex-wifes car. Its not a business loan, too small, too much for a credit card, too small for a house, unless its a trailer.
That doesn't really tell you much good or bad, its more common than most would think.
That doesn't really tell you much good or bad, its more common than most would think.
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. I want to clarify that neither me or the VapeTeam have anything to do with the Jbox operation, just like anyone does not participate in my restaurant business. We have heard complaints but we do not have any knowledge on when orders will be fulfilled. I would be upset as well but im not sure how jasons life is impacting his business but i do know how its impacting the vapeteam, and thats why he was granted a leave of absense. To associate me or any member of the team with this operation is ignorant and unjustified considering the volunteer hours we put out of our life to help and promote tobacco harm reduction. Finally personally, i am really disgusted with the lack of communication by Jason and i truly hope that he comes thru and takes care of these issues. As a testiment of my displeasure i have taken down my jbox vs opus video (even though both devices were paid by me) as well as VapingMonkeys review, in support to those that have not found a resolution so far. Take appropriate steps with your billing company to make sure you as the consumer are taken care of. Hope this clarifies things not only from attacks to me personally but that of the VapeTeam as well.
Hey Dimitris,
I suppose, as a viewer of Vapeteam, my biggest concern is that in over a year of production, you have no mechanism in place to protect against a conflict of interest between hosts (who are vendors) or advertisers. The answer has always been "trust us". The show is billed as "by vapers, for vapers"... But nothing has really outlined as to how that is done, and now that something bad has happened you are put in the difficult position of distancing Vapeteam from one of it's founders. A sad thing- since he is both a knowledgeable and long term member of the community. I hope whatever is going on with him resolves soon, as I've always considered him (and you) a friend.
However, the first exception I have, personally, to your comments, has to do with calling viewers (or their opinions) of you or the show "ignorant"- or calling their criticisms "unjustified".
When your viewers offer criticism they are always justified. Period. And no amount of activism excuses you from the responsibility you have, as the premier vaping show, from receiving criticism *gracefully*.
Second, you've allowed show staff to be vendors. Which has given those staff immediate access to a huge promotional machine which reaches thousands of people. Additionally that access appears to be preferential. Which definitely opens you up to be criticized when one of the staff/vendors makes a big enough mistake and you have *promoted* the product.
Normally Dimitris, I keep these kinds of comments to our occasional private conversations. Certainly out of respect for our friendship, and a kind of "Ghetto Profession Courtesy"- but this time buddy... I strongly object to the hubris you have shown- it's not befitting the position you hold in the community.
Generally speaking... when you take heat I think it behooves a person to carefully consider the criticism being made, make changes if the criticism is valid, and make your only defense continued good behavior.
I hope these comments are accepted with the gentle tone that is intended.
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Well said Coz.
It is NOT the time for indignation.
It is the time for FULL disclosure.
Nip it in the bud.
This is going to continue to blow up.
It is NOT the time for indignation.
It is the time for FULL disclosure.
Nip it in the bud.
This is going to continue to blow up.
Thanks Cozz!
You addressed the things that flew through my mind as I read Dimitris post. When I saw that Dimitris had posted my initial thought was good...He's going to address an uncomfortable situation for the Vapeteam...as I read on I was shocked at his response! I know he's not a bad guy and I'm sure he's just caught up in this firestorm and went on the defensive...but it was a really bad choice of words. Dimitris shouldn't take things too personally and empathize with those involved in the transactions.
Like AlmightyGod said in his post. Get in front of this and "Nip it in the bud".
You addressed the things that flew through my mind as I read Dimitris post. When I saw that Dimitris had posted my initial thought was good...He's going to address an uncomfortable situation for the Vapeteam...as I read on I was shocked at his response! I know he's not a bad guy and I'm sure he's just caught up in this firestorm and went on the defensive...but it was a really bad choice of words. Dimitris shouldn't take things too personally and empathize with those involved in the transactions.
Like AlmightyGod said in his post. Get in front of this and "Nip it in the bud".
I dont have any stake in this but I wanted to tell you guys that I sincerely hope you get your money back and get some of these issues addressed in the very near future.
Allowing members of a review team to be vendors is a VERY bad idea because even if theres no impropriety involved it opens the door to speculation and questions about your integrity and actual agenda.I know that personally Ive never watched the shows but Im even less inclined to do so now after reading this thread and seeing Dimitris response to it.
The best thing that Vapeteam can do at this point is apologize to the community and to those affected and try to work as a go-between to make sure this gets resolved. Im sure that they have contact numbers, addresses and email info that could help people either get their money back or start legal proceedings on the matter and Im surprised that no one has contacted him and made him aware of this thread and his need to respond.
Not that I think thats likely any way.It seems like almost every time theres a vendor who cant deliver on a product on this and other forums they always cite family trouble. For some that might be case but I think others use that as an excuse so people will feel sorry for them and WONT press charges until its far too late.
Allowing members of a review team to be vendors is a VERY bad idea because even if theres no impropriety involved it opens the door to speculation and questions about your integrity and actual agenda.I know that personally Ive never watched the shows but Im even less inclined to do so now after reading this thread and seeing Dimitris response to it.
The best thing that Vapeteam can do at this point is apologize to the community and to those affected and try to work as a go-between to make sure this gets resolved. Im sure that they have contact numbers, addresses and email info that could help people either get their money back or start legal proceedings on the matter and Im surprised that no one has contacted him and made him aware of this thread and his need to respond.
Not that I think thats likely any way.It seems like almost every time theres a vendor who cant deliver on a product on this and other forums they always cite family trouble. For some that might be case but I think others use that as an excuse so people will feel sorry for them and WONT press charges until its far too late.
I don't think Jason did this with the intention of scamming people. Much in the same way I don't think chopperguys did it to scam people either. I think they just don't handle grief well, some people just shut down and everything that doesn't directly affect them falls by the wayside.
If Jason's intention was to scam people he's not very good at it. We live in a digital age, all his information is on the internet. With just a little bit of digging you can find out loads about him. A con man would have made sure to not leave a trail like that. Also a con man would've made his money and got out, close the website and move on. For me, the fact that the website is still up tells me that it has just completely slipped his mind, in light of all the other things happening.
Don't mistake my wanting to have faith in the human race for being ok with any of this. It's completely unacceptable, from a business view point. People need refunds, or their product it's that simple. I grew up in a family where the main bread winner was self employed, he's still self employed to this day. I'm also self employed, so I know the hurdles of running a small business.
So I just hope at some point everything gets straightened on his end and he can start producing these mods again. I would like to see the people that have been waiting since August get a refund and still get their mod, or at least a partial refund. Something that says hey, I'm truly sorry about putting everyone through all of this.
But then again, I could be totally naive and have waaaay to much faith in humankind. I hope not, but it's not completely out of the realm of possibility.
With all that being said. I think Dimitris or anyone of the other Vapeteam crew, could just shoot Jason a quick text and say "you should stop accepting orders on the Jbox site". At the very least that's what needs to happen right now. As for what is going to happen in the future, time will tell.
Order #465 made on November 25, 2012 Apparently I'm the most recent chump.
Edit: Or at the very least he could just send out a mass message and say we've all been screwed if that's the case. I'd be ok with some closure. Open ended is a fate worse than being screwed. At least for me anyway.
If Jason's intention was to scam people he's not very good at it. We live in a digital age, all his information is on the internet. With just a little bit of digging you can find out loads about him. A con man would have made sure to not leave a trail like that. Also a con man would've made his money and got out, close the website and move on. For me, the fact that the website is still up tells me that it has just completely slipped his mind, in light of all the other things happening.
Don't mistake my wanting to have faith in the human race for being ok with any of this. It's completely unacceptable, from a business view point. People need refunds, or their product it's that simple. I grew up in a family where the main bread winner was self employed, he's still self employed to this day. I'm also self employed, so I know the hurdles of running a small business.
So I just hope at some point everything gets straightened on his end and he can start producing these mods again. I would like to see the people that have been waiting since August get a refund and still get their mod, or at least a partial refund. Something that says hey, I'm truly sorry about putting everyone through all of this.
But then again, I could be totally naive and have waaaay to much faith in humankind. I hope not, but it's not completely out of the realm of possibility.
With all that being said. I think Dimitris or anyone of the other Vapeteam crew, could just shoot Jason a quick text and say "you should stop accepting orders on the Jbox site". At the very least that's what needs to happen right now. As for what is going to happen in the future, time will tell.
Order #465 made on November 25, 2012 Apparently I'm the most recent chump.
Edit: Or at the very least he could just send out a mass message and say we've all been screwed if that's the case. I'd be ok with some closure. Open ended is a fate worse than being screwed. At least for me anyway.
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Need to get to the root of this problem. There is a reason this is going on, always is.
Could be financial hardship as in a home going into foreclosure or perhaps, and I've seen this more times than I care to admit, Substance Abuse. Yes that would be drugs and alcohol. Happens to the best of US. Notice how I said US because I'm not above any of this either. I've done plenty of stupid .... in my life.
Moving along how cab ECF prevent this from happening again?
We have specific forums dedicated to vendors, that is Vendors who pay ECF for the pleasure.
We need a system that helps to validate a new vendor here at ECF. Something that ensures that a problem like this never happens again.
Could be financial hardship as in a home going into foreclosure or perhaps, and I've seen this more times than I care to admit, Substance Abuse. Yes that would be drugs and alcohol. Happens to the best of US. Notice how I said US because I'm not above any of this either. I've done plenty of stupid .... in my life.
Moving along how cab ECF prevent this from happening again?
We have specific forums dedicated to vendors, that is Vendors who pay ECF for the pleasure.
We need a system that helps to validate a new vendor here at ECF. Something that ensures that a problem like this never happens again.
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its a conspiracy, chopper is behind jbox and he is taking your money again!!! all jokes aside though, whoever purchased from jbox should take it to legal matters. though he is out of contact, im sure he is getting word of whats going on and eventually he will feel threatened by lawsuits and crawl out of where ever he is hiding. hopefully it doesnt come down to that and he is going through something personal. whoever purchased a jbox, I hope your mod is made or your money is refunded
Personal or not all it takes is a few minutes to pop into this thread and let people know whats going on. The longer he waits the worse its going to get.
Itys the oldest and lamest card to play in the game to use 'family problems' as an excuse for mischief, we all have problems and we all still go to work every day, I am too old to buy this anymore and find it distasteful at best that he would use that in an effort to gain sympathy. People don't want to know what you've done in the past, they want to know what you're doing now, goodwill's half-life gets shorter every year. Southpaw, sharpi, Craig Robinson (there's a name from the past) now him join the list of modders who played us........
What sticks with me is that your mission of protecting the vapers was corrupted into helping defraud vapers, indirectly or not its easy to have that perception of the situation, you have to admit that. I like you, Dimitris, you have tolerated me through a bunch of bs from me, I feel very badly a friend has made you look foolish, betrayal is a knife that sticks for a very long time........
Well said, zapped and coz, I probably didn't need to comment also tbh but its hard to triple-'like' posts..........
What sticks with me is that your mission of protecting the vapers was corrupted into helping defraud vapers, indirectly or not its easy to have that perception of the situation, you have to admit that. I like you, Dimitris, you have tolerated me through a bunch of bs from me, I feel very badly a friend has made you look foolish, betrayal is a knife that sticks for a very long time........
Well said, zapped and coz, I probably didn't need to comment also tbh but its hard to triple-'like' posts..........
Dimitri,
I have faithfully watched the show and appreciate all you guys have done for our community. I know this situation is very awkward for you and your team; I have faith and truly believe that you had nothing to do with this situation (Perhaps Jason will still come through; who knows?) but since you have a personal relationship with him maybe you can contact him on behalf of all that were affected and post what is going on. I realize this is not your responsibility but you have always been an advocate for vapers so I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask. I personally have no stake in this situation but hate to see so many people negatively affected.
That being said I hope this all gets resolved
I have faithfully watched the show and appreciate all you guys have done for our community. I know this situation is very awkward for you and your team; I have faith and truly believe that you had nothing to do with this situation (Perhaps Jason will still come through; who knows?) but since you have a personal relationship with him maybe you can contact him on behalf of all that were affected and post what is going on. I realize this is not your responsibility but you have always been an advocate for vapers so I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask. I personally have no stake in this situation but hate to see so many people negatively affected.
That being said I hope this all gets resolved
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