The lady who caught on fire

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Glen Snyder

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Yes I saw that - but that doesn't say it was an ego. I saw they have those batteries thereas well - but I didn't see a whole kit there like the article says.
Unless that's the whole kit - doesn't look like it though.
Anyways - ok, may have been one of those, but so what? They clearly sell a car charger and a cable that they say can be used in the car too. USB Car Charger Adapter
So she didn't do anything wrong by using it - this is what she was sold and it was for use in the car.

From your earlier post:


So if you weren't assuming why didn't you pick up on the fact that the chargers are sold by the vendor for use in the car, and that's what she used it for? No offence to you but seems to me you didn't look at this at the time you posted.

1 The article says she bought a kit. Not a kit and a car adapter. So now who's assuming?

2 I didn't 'pick up on' anything about the charger. Refer to #1 ^

3 By my observation you assume a lot for someone that doesn't like assumptions :p
 

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I don't see where the store selling the charger makes a difference. Walmart sells ammonia and chlorine bleach, that doesn't make them responsible for someone mixing the two.

Of course it makes a difference. Not everyone knows about this stuff. They go to an ecig site - they buy a ecig, a charger, or a kit that has different stuff in it - including car charger.

It's a cheap adapter. Coupled with cheap knockoff batteries. Exactly what responsibility do you think the user should have in this?
Well what do you think? To use it as advertised.

I don't fully trust my Joyetech batteries with Joyetech chargers and Joyetech adapters, I certainly don't aim them at my body while they're being charged. Do you think she's absolved of all responsibility mixing and matching junk just because it fits?

People buy a kit from a site and use it. They aren't thinking they are mixing and matching junk - they don't know what all the pvs and accessories are. Lots of people just buy their ecigs online. I bought my first two that way.
Why are you so quick to shoot her down? She's like a lot of people buying vape gear. And before we think ECF is somehow better - just look at how many people got the story wrong on this thread. Even with the best of intentions people don't always get it right.
 
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1 The article says she bought a kit. Not a kit and a car adapter. So now who's assuming?

2 I didn't 'pick up on' anything about the charger. Refer to #1 ^

3 By my observation you assume a lot for someone that doesn't like assumptions :p

I'm just amazed at the number of people that want to shoot her down -and also how easily the two incidents got confused.
But I'll take the correction on linking the wrong thing in one post as per what the article said - I have actually linked to their their charging cable - and also linked it with the other in this post.

Come on guys - the FDA will walk all over vapers at this rate.
 
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I think everyone understands that this thread is full of speculation and that it has people commenting on two different incidents. Aggressive policing of the thread no longer seems necessary.


Fine but i still want baditude's popkern.. it's not repetitive. :laugh:
 

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What is all this "E-hookah" stuff from that stupid site? If you look at the "Hookah Ego Batteries" it says:

"Warning: Use only with 4.2 volt VapCigs EGO USB Hookah Charger. Do not use with VapCigs VC ToGo charger or any "510 USB Thumb"/5.0 volt charger. Use with any other chargers may cause risk of fire. Do not charge in an automobile. Always use with surge protection. Keep away from extreme temperatures. Do not disassemble, overcharge, heat, or incinerate. "

I don't know why they call it E-hookah - or why they sell two charging cables and say one is for use in a car and one isn't - unless they changed the wording on one since the accident - and I admit I don't know if that's the case. Although it would make sense to do that after what happened.
 

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Of course it makes a difference. Not everyone knows about this stuff. They go to an ecig site - they buy a ecig, a charger, or a kit that has different stuff in it - including car charger.


Well what do you think? To use it as advertised.



People buy a kit from a site and use it. They aren't thinking they are mixing and matching junk - they don't know what all the pvs and accessories are. Lots of people just buy their ecigs online. I bought my first two that way.
Why are you so quick to shoot her down? She's like a lot of people buying vape gear. And before we think ECF is somehow better - just look at how many people got the story wrong on this thread. Even with the best of intentions people don't always get it right.

So in your world people who don't know about stuff have no responsibility to learn before diving in?
So I can use a scalpel to preform brain surgery on my dog and sue the manufacturer and seller of the scalpel for killing my dog? I was using the product as it was intended to be used.

Actually I'm quick to shoot you down in absolving her of all responsibility.
I originally said we don't know where the malfunction was.
It could be the manufacturer of that $10 adapter is at fault. It could be the manufacturer of those $14 eGo bats are at fault (I would even say that is likely). Good luck getting blood from those turnips.
She'd have much better luck getting money out of the vendor who sells knock off batteries for nearly the same price as name brand, $5 adapters for $10 and "e-hookahs". But I bet that well isn't very deep.

I bought my first ecigs, RN4072's online not knowing much. But I was able to figure out that they were cheap mass produced junk that I shouldn't bet my life on.

There are two stories being talked about in this thread.
 

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Come on guys - the FDA will walk all over vapers at this rate.

This is a Consumer Protections issue, the same group that allows Chinese toys painted with lead and date rape drugs to enter the country. If they want to do something over this they'll have to remove cell phones and laptops, obviously that's not going to happen.
This has nothing to do with the FDA.

It's a public service announcement, "Hey dumb people, batteries can explode."
 

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So in your world people who don't know about stuff have no responsibility to learn before diving in?


Actually I'm quick to shoot you down in absolving her of all responsibility.

I haven't though Myk - I've said a number of times we don't know the cause of the thermal runaway. I don't see the need to blame some-one for using a charger if the charger is advertised for use in the car though. And actually - I don't buy your blame towards me either. If that's where you're at - including using emotive words like "absolve" which suggests some-one must be guilty in the first place to need absolution - then this has strayed too far from common sense.
 

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This is a Consumer Protections issue, the same group that allows Chinese toys painted with lead and date rape drugs to enter the country. If they want to do something over this they'll have to remove cell phones and laptops, obviously that's not going to happen.
This has nothing to do with the FDA.

It's a public service announcement, "Hey dumb people, batteries can explode."

Yes I know - and vaping is under threat. My point here is, and was, we need to see where the real problem for us is - its how this can get used. I didn't like what her lawyer said at all - and if that's her view re: the FDA and regulation then I strongly disagree - but I don't think she was saying it. I might have an other look at that angle.
 

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Little Ralphie's mother, teacher and even Santa Claus told him "You'll put your eye out", but did he listen?


Off topic??? No, just a little illustration of human nature. It takes a catastrophe for many people to listen or educate themselves. They just don't typically do it in advance. It's an "I want it and I want it now" kind of plug and play world. And when something goes wrong, well let's sue the manufacturer or his grandma if he doesn't have enough $$$ to cover the damages.
 

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It's an "I want it and I want it now" kind of plug and play world.

Lest we forget, "I want top quality and I want it CHEAP."

edit: but of course "CHEAP" almost always wins the race to the check out screen before quality gets out of the gate.
 
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Little Ralphie's mother, teacher and even Santa Claus told him "You'll put your eye out", but did he listen?


Off topic??? No, just a little illustration of human nature.

Since I started vaping 15 months ago I have never once heard anyone say not to charge an ecig in a car, or not to use a car charger with an ecig, or not to use a charging cable advertised for use in car to charge an ecig in a car. If the warnings are there they are pretty obscure. I am well aware of warnings about battery charging in general - but never hear about car charging. I mean attended charging.
I do see your point - it is a plug and play world.
But where are the warnings on this to Little Ralphie? That's where your analogy/illustration doesn't quite work as I see it.
 
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Just an example of human stupidity which in turn may blacken the name of e cigs and add to the arising suspicion over the "safety" of vaping.

How is it stupid Ryan? Are you talking about leaving an ecig charging unattended in a car?
That's not actually the issue the OP posted about. That was a different incident.
 

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How is it stupid Ryan? Are you talking about leaving an ecig charging unattended in a car?
That's not actually the issue the OP posted about. That was a different incident.

Yes, I am referencing leaving a charger unattended in a vehicle as stupid. I did not read through all 12 pages, I will have to read the rest to see what the other incident was.
 

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