The Prodigy V2 ... Now Named With Some Info (and Poll)

[wegster]

Don't care regarding pre-orders one way or another, really, but considering you still haven't shipped either my PTs or 510 and 401 adapters yet, please *finish* the adapters and get those orders out before opening up a pre-order for something using those still non-existent adapters

I don't mind the 3.7v 'limit,' and like it'll use the same PT adapters.

Of course, I now expect the v3 to be a clone of sorts of 'others,' - insert another tube and spacer, then you can select either 3.x or 5v vaping.

 

[combovan]

I understand this Lucky, and your comment is fully valid. That point aside, I don't think it should affect anyone (neither that you wish to do so) who doesn't share your opinion, and wishes to preorder.

What I don't understand is a number of people who voted to have the preorder, but only 1-2 weeks before, and only if nothing is going to change, and only if Steve will personally deliver it, and what not. It is called whining, and they don't really want to preorder, so they simply shouldn't. But they probably will, and they will find a reason to whine on the forum even if nothing changes and everything arrives on time... The only reason which would justify that vote IMNSHO, is if they wanted to have the protege as soon as available, but rather than paying for that privilege now, they want to have a clicking contest when Steve announces it to push their place in the line. I can't personally afford to track sources online 24 hours a day, to make sure that my order is early enough.

So Steve, I guess you should open preorders now, and then have a clicking contest 2 weeks before shipping for first 10 proteges to be shipped.

ERRRR TALK ABOUT WHINING .... That whole comment one gigantic one
Anyhow im not gonna be sucked down into such a petty argument i think we will just have to agree to disagree on this one
combovan

 

[combovan]

oh ya one other thing what makes you think there is going to be any less people f5ing with a long preorder vrs a short preorder ....when the preorder is opened up wiether its long or short theres still gonna be the same number of people ordering the preorder.
I really dont see how theres that much of a difference between a long one and a short one except that the final product will be completly nailed down by the time a short preorder is opened up.
just my 2cents though.
combovan

 

[wegster]

oh ya one other thing what makes you think there is going to be any less people f5ing with a long preorder vrs a short preorder ....when the preorder is opened up wiether its long or short theres still gonna be the same number of people ordering the preorder.
I really dont see how theres that much of a difference between a long one and a short one except that the final product will be completly nailed down by the time a short preorder is opened up.
just my 2cents though.
combovan

I don't think there is much of a difference. I just believe one set of pre-orders (Prodigy v1 and USBPass + adapters) should be 'caught up' prior to starting to think about orders/shipping on the v2.

 

[combovan]

I don't think there is much of a difference. I just believe one set of pre-orders (Prodigy v1 and USBPass + adapters) should be 'caught up' prior to starting to think about orders/shipping on the v2.

I agree with you on that one wegster my comment wasnt aimed at you.
Im also positive that nothing will be shipped for the protege before he is all caught up on his other pre orders ...
steve is having these parts produced as fast as he can with the quality he wants so hang in there
combovan

 

[motorcity57]

i am writting a book, it will be the greatest book you ever read. not quite sure when it will be done, but if you send me 100$ you can be first in line.

 

[Surf Monkey]

i am writting a book, it will be the greatest book you ever read. not quite sure when it will be done, but if you send me 100$ you can be first in line.

Bad analogy. Puresmoker is a respected vendor. They have a track record of satisfying their customers and providing an excellent product. It isn't as if they just appeared from nowhere and started taking pre-orders on a potentially vaporware (pun) product.

Your analogy is more like "Hey, this is Stephen King. I'm writing a new book soon! Want to be the first on your block to get it? Pre-order now!" There's a built in expectation, based on track record, that the product will be made and the pre-orders filled that's not included in your quip.

 

[Casey@PS]

I agree with you on that one wegster my comment wasnt aimed at you.
Im also positive that nothing will be shipped for the protege before he is all caught up on his other pre orders ...
steve is having these parts produced as fast as he can with the quality he wants so hang in there
combovan

Believe me, that would NEVER happen. We would absolutely never open up something else for either pre-order or shipping until the Prodigy stuff is caught up. Don't worry, we're getting everything all taken care of!

 

[motorcity57]

i voted no pre-order. sell it when you got it. a few of many reasons: why open yourself to all the agony of all these pre-orders, wanting to know when this, when that? i have just looked at every vendor on this ECF site, guess what , not one has pre-order for anything. if they don't have it they are not selling it.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I've seen other vendors do pre-orders.

 

[gjrhine]

i have just looked at every vendor on this ECF site, guess what , not one has pre-order for anything. if they don't have it they are not selling it.

My Janty V1 was on pre-order. Then my Janty V2. Sort of doubt you looked at every vendor on ECF.

 

[tvujec]

It doesn't cross your mind that what some people want might be what's best for Steve?

It certainly does, but how can you or me or anyone else know what's best for Steve? It might be that he had to respond 1000 emails complaining about shipping delays and had to waste 20 hours doing that.
On the other hand, it might be that it only took him 2 hours. But since he's out of cash, having 100k or so locked away by the customs, and in need of investment he might have taken a loan. Every preorder $ can serve to reduce the principal, and result in direct savings on the interest. Isn't that best for Steve? Last I checked, he's in it to make money, if he wanted to avoid dealing with whining disgruntled addicts, he would choose another line of business.
Yet I am not telling you that you don't have Steve's best interest in mind, but you somehow find it logical assuming that I don't.
Anyone can explain each and every option in the context of being the best for Steve, but they can not know all the facts. Which makes it moot. The only useful thing is responding what you want, which is what Steve is asking for.
The difference between what I am proposing is that everyone gets to order when they want, and what some other people are proposing that only they get to order when they want.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Yet I am not telling you that you don't have Steve's best interest in mind, but you somehow find it logical assuming that I don't.

That's not the situation at all.

All I'm saying is that from my POV it seems like it would cause less problems for Puresmoker if they limit pre-orders to a two week window before they start shipping. I think that's a valid reason. You, evidently, don't.

 

[tvujec]

I really dont see how theres that much of a difference between a long one and a short one except that the final product will be completly nailed down by the time a

Simple, I want it. There's no changing my mind about it. Yet I have to wait and check every day for the next 1-2 months if the preorder started. Or I can order it today, forget about it and get a nice gift 2 months (or 6, I said multiple times that I don't really care) from now.

 

[motorcity57]

steve put out the poll, he wanted information. we vote, and give our reason why we voted the way we did, if so inclined. i am not steve, maybe you could ask him, but i do not think he wants us to be bashing back and forth at each other, over why we vote as we did. i wish now that i would have voted and left no comment.

 

[tvujec]

All I'm saying is that from my POV it seems like it would cause less problems for Puresmoker if they limit pre-orders to a two week window before they start shipping. I think that's a valid reason. You, evidently, don't.

I do agree that that could be a valid reason. Just as valid as mine for long preorder(see prev. post). But since neither me nor you can establish that each our reason what's best for Steve is actually best for Steve, the discussion is moot.

What's not moot is the fact that people who want 1-2 week preorder don't want people who want long preorders to get them. Even though they would still be perfectly able to get their 1-2 week preorders. That fact does tend to irritate me.

Just to clarify. This is in no means a straw man argument. I do honestly believe that money would help Steve more than protection from emails during the wait period. If the availability is stated as "to be announced", how would someone write the complaint? "I thought that to be announced meant 60 days"? Even with prodigy, I would guess that most of the complaints started coming after the delivery was expected to be inside 1-2 weeks. If such expectation doesn't exist, why would Steve have problems?

 

[Sar]

I think for planning purposes, pre-orders are a good thing for business. If I start taking pre-orders 2 or 3 months before I start production I may have much better idea what kind of production capacity I may need, or what kind of commitment can I make to my suppliers. I would probably schedule production runs differently for 100 vs 1000 pre-orders.

The email overhead with providing updates etc is solvable via automation of puresmoker website to provide time estimates automatically based on whatever conditions and criteria affect it. Supplier tells me they have a problem and need four extra days to get 901 attachments? Plug it into the system and all Puresmoker accounts with pre-orders of 901 Protégé will be alerted en masse. There are some bright 12-year-olds that could create a script to do this.

 

[Ultimist]

Thanks, combovan, for undermining my question.

I just want to know what type of batteries will be used so I can find out if they are available locally to me.

Sure, the battery used in the final product may change, but it might not. I don't think you should be trying to undermine people's honest requests for information on this forum. If YOU don't want to know the information, a simple solution would be for you not to return to the thread.

Just because you want or don't want something shouldn't determine whether paying customers such as myself (I just bought a Prodigy yesterday) get answers to our questions.

Again, it is as easy as abandoning this thread if you don't want to see the answer.

Not to be a jerk but this is one of the excate reasons why i voted for 1-2 weeks before shipping.

Things like batteries and excate specs might change during the phases leading up to final production. This happened with the prodigy and it didnt bother me one bit because i knew you where developing a product to please everyone.
However with that said it might be best not to actually release any of that information untill you have your preorder ready to go and all the facts nailed down in place.
just my humble opinon.
oh and btw im still chuggin on my prodigy with pride its a great device.
combovan

 

[combovan]

Thanks, combovan, for undermining my question.

I just want to know what type of batteries will be used so I can find out if they are available locally to me.

Sure, the battery used in the final product may change, but it might not. I don't think you should be trying to undermine people's honest requests for information on this forum. If YOU don't want to know the information, a simple solution would be for you not to return to the thread.

Just because you want or don't want something shouldn't determine whether paying customers such as myself (I just bought a Prodigy yesterday) get answers to our questions.

Again, it is as easy as abandoning this thread if you don't want to see the answer.

Im sorry i guess i assumed you wanted to purchase the batteries ahead of time like a lot of folks did with the prodigy right off the bat. I didnt mean to undermine anything i was just trying to make a point about what people tend to with information given out during preorders even though the final product may still change.
honestly i put not to be a jerk into my first line as a way of saying sorry in advance i had a feeling that my intentions might be misinterpreted (sp)
You also have to remember even if you can buy them locally alot of people might not take into consideration that things may change and they tend to become upset at steve when they have money invested in things that dont work.
Really it comes down to its the consumers fault for jumping the stick but that doesnt make it any easier or better for steve, my conclusion was just to not have to deal with those issues and not realease the information till it was set in stone
combovan

 

[Ultimist]

All is forgiven.

Yeah, I just wanted to know so I could *check* on the batteries. I wasn't actually going to buy any. I just want to know if the ones that are supposedly going to be used in the V2 are available where I live. I never buy stuff ahead of time unless I know for sure it is going to work.

So I was just going to look.