I like seeing the terms lifesaving e-cigarette information coupled with FDA's deadly censorship of by mainstream financial media. Dunno. Gives me this warm fuzzy feeling. 
Good luck.
Good luck.The United States of Fear - Part 1
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Seems like we're the ones "taking" the mile.Some of us did but were still shocked at the lengths they are taking---Give an inch and they will take a mile--seems they are taking several of them
I'm gonna need a few more gallons of glycerin and a water spray bottle to refresh my lubricant.
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I suspect some appear to be our greatest allies.@UnclePsyko ^^ Ditto.
Another obvious ploy used by our opponents that seems to be totally
over looked.
Agent Provocateurs.
: one employed to associate with suspected persons and by pretending sympathy with their aims to incite them to some incriminating action.
This does not only mean incriminating as in breaking the law.
a person who commits, or who acts to entice another person to commit an illegal or "rash act "
'parentheses mine'
The rash act being to encourage and or foster beliefs detrimental to ones cause.
We had them in the peace movement. We had them in the smokers right groups.
IMHO they are also here. I may not (in fact I don't) know who they are but, I see
there finger prints everywhere on this sight.
Due to the nature of the subject mater here I know people are passionate about
their idea's and truly believe in them. This is undeniable. That is also why it is
impossible to ferret out those who do not have our best interests in mind.
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Mike
One in particular whom I will not name.
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IndeedGuests can't post and thus have no way to influence discussions on the forum
if you catch my drift.
Mike
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Exactly where are you suggesting I stick my head this time Mike?Just because your Paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to Get You.
I find little other use for Tin foil in the Microwave Age
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Blundered?
Clearly not yet acquainted with this "health" agency and their many "accomplishments".
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Skoon may have a point 'bout comparing Flint here @beckdg…FDA ain't got a paint roller big enough to lather on the lipstick with this one. Sooner or later they all but got to start laughin' at themselves on camera. Good luck.
Another aspect I've though of is that it creates a new illegal industry. They gotta keep those private prisons full somehow. It give the government the ability to lighten up on unpopular laws and have a new villain to fight. No revenue lost.
They likely won't be held accountable.Skoon may have a point 'bout comparing Flint here @beckdg…FDA ain't got a paint roller big enough to lather on the lipstick with this one. Sooner or later they all but got to start laughin' at themselves on camera. Good luck.
This pig doesn't require lipstick.
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FYI, I didn't see any reference to new member posts of 5 by the OP. Don't they show those on the profile? Just wondered. Neither has there been any response since his/her Happy Days are Here to Stay original comments.
The new member 5 post rule went away when the forum software was migrated to XenForo.
What's bothering me most about this whole thing is there doesn't appear to be any cohesive plan of action. Are we all just waiting for 90 days to drizzle down and fizzle out or ? …….
Sure, the FDA can go whistle at a wall while we continue to make our own vaporizer adjustments and ultimately our own vape juice.
The government can go hang itself on its non-stream of revenue, as can all the little boys n girls whose salaries were going to fatten up from vape tax.
And (No Small Thing) a couple hundred thousand people will be out of work.
But is there Anything going on? Or is everyone (me included) waiting on someone/something else?
And what will happen to our wonderful vaping community. I've made friends here!
Sure, the FDA can go whistle at a wall while we continue to make our own vaporizer adjustments and ultimately our own vape juice.
The government can go hang itself on its non-stream of revenue, as can all the little boys n girls whose salaries were going to fatten up from vape tax.
And (No Small Thing) a couple hundred thousand people will be out of work.
But is there Anything going on? Or is everyone (me included) waiting on someone/something else?
And what will happen to our wonderful vaping community. I've made friends here!
Yor are not following the Sticky threads, Facebook, CASAA and other Advocacy groups are you?
Nicopure Labs(Halo) has already fired back with the first volley, filing Suite on First amendment violation. CASAA and several other Adcocacy Groups have formed partnership to Battle FDA in court.
China Manufacturers have already committed to Financial Support for Legal actions against FDA Deeming.
Plenty is happening, but wheels must turn smoothly. Spinning in place helps nothing.
Yor are not following the Sticky threads, Facebook, CASAA and other Advocacy groups are you?
Nicopure Labs(Halo) has already fired back with the first volley, filing Suite on First amendment violation. CASAA and several other Adcocacy Groups have formed partnership to Battle FDA in court.
China Manufacturers have already committed to Financial Support for Legal actions against FDA Deeming.
Plenty is happening, but wheels must turn smoothly. Spinning in place helps nothing.
Well, not social media much, no.
So we're waiting to see the outcomes of these particular lawsuits? And I did see that CASAA has joined up with several other organizations. I also know about the Cole Bishop Amendment. But I also see 90 days clicking away, and wonder if there's anything we CAN do. I guess what you're saying is that we just have to hope very large dollar-greased industry will have an impact?
Well, not social media much, no.
That and keep badgering your Representatives to support Cole-Bishop
@UnclePsyko ^^ Ditto.
Another obvious ploy used by our opponents that seems to be totally
over looked.
Agent Provocateurs.
: one employed to associate with suspected persons and by pretending sympathy with their aims to incite them to some incriminating action.
Regards
Mike
I do think I recall noting one, or two. Do know of one for sure. Will not say what handle/s as that would be pointless as to being "they say" vs "you say" and it is a public forum open to all so there's no real accounting, no real means to accredit, to verify. But I've hung around dogs of all kinds enough to know to trust that gut & balls feeling I get. For myself, I'm cautious now on what is said, even if I give appearance that is not the case.
It's not the ones easily seen Mike that are trouble. They're the ones we confide in. That's the worst aspect of this whole situation. That by the FDA's not acting in good faith, playing a hidden hand, it is a betrayal of the public trust. It must then necessarily and by design have a chilling effect on free speech…even though the express intent is not reflected in the rules. I say illegal, unlawful. And most definitely, not American.
Exactly, where any form of censorship exists so too do tyrants. If we are made to self censor, it is still censorship.
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