Thought I had Heard It All

[RosaJ]

OP, that doctor would not see another penny from me. Fire him on the spot and find a real doctor.

 

[caramel]

The New England Journal of Medicine just published a letter against gaping.

I suggest to NOT google for that term.

 

[caramel]

Wha????????

No.

I have a joyetech eRoll, a cigalike, and I can tell you for sure I am not vaping any kind of off gassing from the battery

You do realize that the battery in most cigalikes is sealed, right?

Your car battery is "sealed" too yet you can see corrosion around.

The fact is that you cannot perfectly seal a battery. At some point you'll have to have a conductor traversing an insulator. And there my friend is where the problem lies.

 

[AzPlumber]

Your car battery is "sealed" too yet you can see corrosion around.

The fact is that you cannot perfectly seal a battery. At some point you'll have to have a conductor traversing an insulator. And there my friend is where the problem lies.

Take the atomizer/cartomizer off and see how much air you can draw through a cigalike battery.

 

[caramel]

Take the atomizer/cartomizer off and see how much air you can draw through a cigalike battery.

About the same as you can draw *through* a car battery.

Yet if you inhale the air *around* it you can feel the smell.

 

[Woofer]

No, you're thinking about this all backwards!

A little battery acid really perks up those flavors that get muted by the anti-freeze! Crank it up to the max, and you get that extra formaldehyde kick.

Of course you are right, I probably have done to much acid.

 

[kbf101998]

Which is strange, because Fox has until recently been somewhat pro-vaping... Greg Gutfield's very accurate on the idiocy of those against vaping. I guess it's true what I said before, the check must have finally cleared.

Andria

I will give Shep credit--you could clearly tell he was skeptical--almost like he was forced to air the report.

 

[OlderNDirt]

Actually, those are geese. Lol. If we're gonna be accurate. Maybe like, 'If it looks like a goose, walks like a goose and honks like a goose.


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Goes to the point: My research and conclusions are just as good and accurate as theirs is.

 

[Equality 7-2521]

totally understandable.... everyone knew everyone had guns and probably were not afraid to use them so everyone behaved themselves

There was some of that but mostly it would have been seen as the hieght of cowardice and dishonorable to shot someone. a cowards way to avoid an honest fight.

 

[supermarket]

I bumped into someone I work with occasionally who vapes. I asked her how it was going. She said she still vapes but has a few cigs a day.

Then she said she had asked her Doc about it. The Doc told her information is starting to come out that ecigs are more dangerous than cigarettes. Then he told her that ecig users are taking in small amounts of vaporised battery acid from the batteries. He said mark my words, in 10 years or so we are going to find out that those things are much worse than cigarettes. We will start to see large numbers of people coming down with a lot of serious diseases which we don't know about yet. New diseases that don't even exist today.

This lady thought it was probably nonsense but she wasn't sure. I told her not to worry but I don't think it helped much.

It costs $500,000 or something to educate these guys. And sometimes they end up thinking they are so much smarter than their patients that they can feed us any amount of bull and we will suck it up. My guess is he doesn't have a clue about ecigs, and he made that stuff up because he thought it would be good for her to stop vaping, and assumed she would just accept it because he said so.

To be fair most doctors aren't that dense.

Nothing new to me.

It always surprises me, how people rely SO MUCH on so called "experts" in various fields.....just because of a few letters before or after their name.

Many doctors know a lot about the the human anatomy, but are extremely ignorant about things like nutrition, fasting, holistic (including the whole being) health, etc.

Doctors are taught to fight dis-ease not through getting to the root of the problem, but often times by using pills to supress symptoms. More times than not, the pills cause MORE , un-related symptoms, and then MORE pills are given. That is NOT "health"!




If you care about your body, you must educate yourself. Hospitals and doctors ARE necessary, and they often DO save lives...... but they are NOT a substitute for personal responsibility, and understanding your OWN body

 

[AndriaD]

A friend of mine decided to not start vaping (and keep smoking) because her doctor told her similar BS. I tried to reason with her. She is a medical professional and should know how to research these things herself, but whatever. She is also very stubborn and maybe not as smart as I had thought.

It's called rationalization; because of her doctor's utter and bottomless stupidity, she has a free pass to keep doing what she wanted to keep doing anyway. That's a hallmark of addiction, to rationalize it.

My own doctor, who can never be bothered to smile or react to anything, cracked a smile and a nod when I told him I quit smoking and started vaping. It is unclear if the smile was in amusement at my apparent stupidity or genuine pride and approval, but he smiled nevertheless.

My own doctor looked like he'd been struck by lightning -- afrer 17 yrs of treating my asthma and always throwing in "you know, you ought to stop smoking or cut down as much as you can", suddenly I'm all "Hey, I quit smoking, with e-cigarettes." THAT got his attention to e-cigs, let me tell you!

Andria

 

[Bernard Marx]

Now that we have the internet making previously unavailable information available to everybody doctors are not so mysteriously all-knowledgeable.

I admit that I wouldn't want to cut through a rib-cage to put a plastic valve in a heart, or even for that matter do a digital prostate exam, but as far as speculating about this or that, I don't mind at all.

My lungs sure work a lot better than they did after a year of vaping and I don't stink...ergo...I'm all for it.

 

[sub4me]

I think most doctors are happy to see a patient quit smoking for health related professional reasons. However many aren't willing to jump on the e cig wagon for the same reasons. They don't want to promote a addictive use of nicotine.

 

[Bernard Marx]

I think most doctors are happy to see a patient quit smoking for health related professional reasons. However many aren't willing to jump on the e cig wagon for the same reasons. They don't want to promote a addictive use of nicotine.

Of course not. In that way they are a lot like dentists. Perfect everything. I am of an age that I have a number of mercury amalgam fillings which are unsightly but nicely sealed and effective. Should I spend thousands of dollars having them replaced with porcelain inlays? Probably, but hey, I am not made of money. Similarly should I become a nervous wreck by quitting smoking cold-turkey to appeal to an over-achieving, narcissistic perfectionist - well no.

 

[sub4me]

No you should do what's right for you but not expect a doctor to agree with it.

 

[Ryedan]

Yet here we are, getting older and crotchety-er every day.

Oh, consider that sooooo stolen Andria

 

[Bernard Marx]

No you should do what's right for you but not expect a doctor to agree with it.

I'm sure if I paid certain of them enough they would be all for it. (Michael Jackson)

 

[sub4me]

That's unpleasant.

 

[Bernard Marx]

That's unpleasant.

Then you explain it in a way that isn't.

 

[AndriaD]

Oh, consider that sooooo stolen Andria

Have at it. When I was young, I thought all old people should be jolly all the time -- my grandparents were happy, not the crotchety type. So when I encountered older folks who were just pissy constantly, I didn't understand it -- but you know, I'm starting to. HEY YOU KIDS... GET OFF MY LAWN AND TAKE YOUR STUPID DOG WITH YOU, AND HE BETTER NOT HAVE CRAPPED IN MY FLOWERBED!

Andria